Teams are truly judged on what they win and not good they were during a period. Admitting that Liverpool was one of the best teams in Europe when they weren't playing the competition that is truly the only tool to judge European teams between themselves makes no sense to me. Again, Man City did actually win trophies and were better than Liverpool, no one would call them one of the best teams in Europe. Liverpool could or couldn't perform better than them, at this point it's impossible to know therefore it's pointless thing to even entertain.
Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?
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Teams are truly judged on what they win and not good they were during a period. Admitting that Liverpool was one of the best teams in Europe when they weren't playing the competition that is truly the only tool to judge European teams between themselves makes no sense to me. Again, Man City did actually win trophies and were better than Liverpool, no one would call them one of the best teams in Europe. Liverpool could or couldn't perform better than them, at this point it's impossible to know therefore it's pointless thing to even entertain.
You just forgot that recently outperforming teams in the EPL does not mean that you do that in the CL either. And - a season is something different than knock-out games. They did not get far in the national Cup matches...
Yes, they miss Suarez now - but Suarez if look at his matches last season was not the player that scored big against the top opponents - he scored in average against the 13.94th in the league.
I'd go a step further: the lovechild of Thorsten Fink and Bruno Labbadia
Klopp invented pressing?
In that both of them are good managers and get their teams playing attractive football, yeah.
Has Rodgers won the PL? No
Has he won the Pl twice? No
Has he won the double? No
Has he reached the CL final? No
Is he doing fine in at least 1 competition while beeing shit in another? No
Is he a cool lad? No
And now pls ask the question again
Has he won the Pl twice? No
Has he won the double? No
Has he reached the CL final? No
Is he doing fine in at least 1 competition while beeing shit in another? No
Is he a cool lad? No
And now pls ask the question again
Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?Has Rodgers won the PL? No
Has he won the Pl twice? No
Has he won the double? No
Has he reached the CL final? No
Is he doing fine in at least 1 competition while beeing shit in another? No
Is he a cool lad? No
And now pls ask the question again
Better case for TwoSheds being the Redcafe Brendan Rodgers than Klopp being the german BR
No but Dortmund are fecked. Let a 2-0 lead slip to draw 2-2.
Klopp open to Premier league move... 11min video interview with Raphael Honigstein in English.
http://sport.bt.com/video-01363814401986?videoid=3904927584001
http://sport.bt.com/video-01363814401986?videoid=3904927584001
This makes me both nervous and and excited.
If the team he takes over has enough money to keep its best players, then they will end up dominating the league, Fergie style. A new rivalry will be born: Mourinho vs Klopp. Cynical machine football vs beautiful, over-confident attacking football.
My middle name is Nostradamus.
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Dream scenario: Van Gaal stays at the club for 3 years, makes us a solid top 2 team again, and creates a solid foundation. Klopp takes over and leads the club to a new Fergie era.
Don't see Klopp as a good fit for United post van Gaal. In the long run, he'll get United playing possession based attacking football, and if it gets Unietd back where they want to be why change it and bring in somebody who'll play completely different football. Pep for me is more suitable post van Gaal.
Klopp and Van Gaal share one very important thing: they both want their players to look for the quickest route to the opponent's goal. In other words; urgency, bravery and willingness to attack down the center if necessary. Van Gaal likes to be safer in possession, but he also likes to counter.
It's always hard to find an identical coach to take over for the old one. And for what it's worth, I don't really think Pep is more similar to Van Gaal than Klopp is.
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Agreed, a big part of lvg philosophy is transition speed between phases. People mistakenly equate him with Guardiola because of a) the Barca connection, and b) lvg emphasizes possession and cycling the ball back to the defence if no faster attack is available (this is meant to draw the defenders out of shape). Obviously there are a lot of similarities between Pep and LVG, but similarities also exist between Klopp and LVG.
I really, really hope that Klopp doesn't actually end up at Liverpool...he wouldn't do that, would he?
Nope. They will just end up hiring Nigel Pearson next.
It could happen. I'm more worried city will be all over him. They are currently closest to his playing style.
I wouldnt worry much, theres no guarantee he will translate his early BD success to the EPL. Sometimes you just have a certain team which clicks in a certain way at a certain time, and its not 100% explainable, I think thats what he had a couple of years ago. He wont be dominating anything with a club like Liverpool or City.
In case he does become threatening with one of those teams, you can always just bet on his team to win and make sure he doesn't.
What? City close to Klopp's playing stile? How did you get that idea? The mere thought of Yaya Touré participating in a Klopp stile pressing game is hilarious though.
I think that's feasible, but I don't think that will put interested clubs off him.
I was actually referring to the fast counter attacking style. Pressing..yeah not so much.
There is nothing wrong with that viewpoint. I think where they finish in an ordinary Bundesliga, besides the top team, will decide what he is made of. They aren't that far off from the top 4 position, and a manager of his reputation should be able to overcome the odds to have them in the mix by the end.
I can bet that he won't dominate with Liverpool. With City's resources? Anything is possible.
I would certainly be worried if City or Arsenal snatch him or Simione. They can work wonders for both clubs. It will take 1-2 seasons for them to match up Jose, but if anyone can, he can.
P.S. there is no chance in hell Pool to get hold of either of them.
Pool seem to go for steady, average managers of Scottish or English descent, they wont get Klopp as they dont have the appeal for the managers considered at the top right now.
He's also not shown signs of being able to rebuild teams.
Not sure Klopp matches Rodgers for comedy gold
Agreed. Rodgers really suits Liverpool with his bizarre comments.
"Maybe Southampton's objectives have changed. They were looking to be a Champions League club, I believe."
"I don't have sympathy, no," said Rodgers.
"It's the nature of it. The players will want to compete at the highest level they possibly can.(On Sotons players leaving)
"I think the pressure is if you're Manchester City or Chelsea, and you've spent that money and you expect to win the league.
"That's probably pressure. I don't think there's pressure on us, other than what we have from within.
"Look at Tottenham. If you spend more than £100 million, you expect to be challenging for the league."
Also Rodgers said that Liverpool concede a certain type of goal.
"We concede pure goals but we have no one to blame but ourselves."
What are 'pure' goals?
Something is wrong here, if they are "pure goals" no one should be blamed at all.
It's not like he rebuilt Dortmund... oh wait, he did.
His first team yes. His second team is struggling big time now.
His first team was Mainz and one could say that he also kinda "rebuilt" them and laid the foundation for their success until this day. Then he turned Dortmund from a struggling and declined former power to a force to be reckoned with not only in the league but also in the CL. His team has been struggling in the Bundesliga for some months and I honestly can't work out why they just can't win there anymore while at the same time they dominated everything europe threw at them so far this season.
The ones that make it obvious they're pure shite?
Liverpool 12 games, 14 points
Dortmund 12 games, 11 points
So Rodgers is actually doing better in a tougher league at the moment...
Dortmund 12 games, 11 points
So Rodgers is actually doing better in a tougher league at the moment...
Absolutely.
Moyes had 21 points after 12 games, LVG has just 19, fancy making another thread to discuss this incredible phenomenon?
The situations of Moyes and van Gaal are not comparable to those of klopp and Rodgers.
Why don't you just disregard any sanity like you did in the OP and simply go for it?
They are very alike by the way. Just like Kloppo and Brenton...
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Yeah, managers who've built their own teams, have been in a stable job for several years, and who were challenging for the league last year, compared to two managers who had / have recently inherited very different squads with very different recent histories and are / were trying to put their mark on things. Near identical situations.