'Been in a stable job for several years', you're aware that Rodgers is in Liverpool just for the third year now, right? Meanwhile, it's Klopp's 7th year at BVB. In the meantime, Klopp has won 2 BL titles ( back to back ) and German cup, he's made it to CL final and wasn't dependent on one player's brilliance ( 70% of goals ) to achieve what he has. Rodgers has won feck all and now is embarrassing himself. Don't even fecking get me started on how BVB looked like those 6 years ago, in how big financial troubles they were and how he's been responsible for rebuilding this team alongside Watzke and co.
Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?
- Thread starter TwoSheds
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Ok, so back to the original point.
Rodgers 12 games, 14 points
Klopp 12 games, 11 points.
Rodgers > Klopp
Rodgers 12 games, 14 points
Klopp 12 games, 11 points.
Rodgers > Klopp
Forgetting the Champions League If you're judging this season alone.
And a whole back story of trophies and earned respect and time from the club prior.
MJJ is dominating both in a tougher league.
I think a more appropriate comparison would be to compare him to Wenger.
Dortmund would absolutely murder this Liverpool side in a competitive game, it'd probably be 4-0 to Dortmund or something if they played in CL right now.
Can't he just be Klopp? He's pretty unique in many ways in my opinion.
At this point I believe TwoSheds is just taking the piss.
Rodger's season isn't anything to be proud of. You could just say both teams are doing awfully. Rodgers isn't better than Klopp just because Liverpool aren't doing as bad as Dortmund. That's like saying Sam Allardyce is better than Wenger...
Troll is trolling.
Most definitely.
Absolutely.
I second this..
Big Kloppster currently practicing set pieces in the park. Forget Rodgers, Moyes > Klopp
WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?
I'd be terrified if I were on the receiving end of that.
He actually looks like he is about to get ready to eat the guy with the red top.
He is just trolling. I am surprised so many people have bitten.
I actually believe that he wanted to make a point which turned out to be an idiotic one, which has been pointed out in previous 5 pages by basically everybody, then he tried to make this 'lol i trole u' shit when he noticed he's in the cul-de-sac himself.
Was looking at Klopps win rate and decided to compare it with Rodgers...didn't expect it to be the exact same
Klopp is better but he will go down the same path as Brendan.
Rodgers had more class about him. Klopp is adopting the Scouse bitterness and delusion. It's not a pretty sight.
Rodgers had more class about him. Klopp is adopting the Scouse bitterness and delusion. It's not a pretty sight.
I prefer Rodgers but both of them are annoying and not brilliant managers.
Good post. Just a thought........do you think, maybe, possibly........that Rodgers' win percentage is slightly skewed by his time at Celtic, them being a tidgy bit better than the rest of Scotland combined? Or is this a proper troll post and 'ya got me, ya doofus!' green smiley........
Only saying that as Rodgers has been in charge at Celtic for a total of 38 games out of a total of 354 he has managed a team in.......or just less than 10%.
Thoughts?
EDIT Ah I see now........yes the Liverpool stats are exactly the same.
Which obviously means that Rodgers and Klopp are on a par for managing ability.
Do you really believe that?
Sorry had to put that there as I'm out of posts for today. I promise I will come back tomorrow though, even if you give me loads! Adieu!
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Look at the Liverpool win rates.
I was actually talking about their Liverpool win rates which are both the exact same not the overall career
What Klopp did for Dortmund was extraordinary and really doesn't get enough recognition. He turned a 13th place Bundesliga team into double Bundesliga champions and CL finalists, while spending almost no money.
He also managed Swansea, Reading and Watford, which accounts for a significantly larger percentage of his managerial career.
Liverpool specific statistics.
Oh dear.
Taking wins% over points per game is silly, lumping in all competitions together is even more silly and on top of that we're talking about more than three seasons for Rodgers and less than 1.5 seasons for Klopp, one of which he didn't even get a summer transfer window/pre season with the team in.
Brendan Rogers lasting legacy in the PL is the use of the word 'character'. I hear pundits use it as a descriptor in every other game these days and it makes me cringe to no end.
'Philosophy' is bad enough...
'Philosophy' is bad enough...
Rodgers is fabulous. Klopp isn't.
Don't think many have stated without being a lunatic or a troll that Brendan is on the same level as Klopp, or that Klopp is doing a bad job, he is obviously doing very well. It's just a interesting bit of statistic.
Dortmund again has director board who work on transfer separate from the head coach unlike British managers. Evidently, Dortmund still doing well with recruitment while balancing their book. So you can't really give Klopp full credit for transfer at Dortmund.
Bundesliga has become more competitive or simply Bayern just get consistently strong and Klopp no longer had the edge with Dortmund losing stars players to their rival every season while relying on young recruitment route. Prior to Klopp's Dortmund rise, Bayern couldn't defend their championship with Stuttgart and Wolfsburg spoiled the party. So Bayern was not all that during this period until Heynckes re-established them (with LVG foundation
).He is a very good coach, but seem like one dimensional and may be prone to be capped a certain level and can't adapt to new challenge like Wenger who once upon a time was consider top manager but failed to adapt to higher competitiveness. Time will tell.
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Dortmund again has director board who work on transfer separate from the head coach unlike British managers. Evidently, Dortmund still doing well with recruitment while balancing their book. So you can't really give Klopp full credit for transfer at Dortmund.
Bundesliga has become more competitive or simply Bayern just get consistently strong and Klopp no longer had the edge with Dortmund losing stars players to their rival every season while relying on young recruitment route. Prior to Klopp's Dortmund rise, Bayern couldn't defend their championship with Stuttgart and Wolfsburg spoiled the party. So Bayern was not all that during this period until Heynckes re-established them (with LVG foundation
I'd say there are mainly four reasons why Klopp's Dortmund slowed down:
-losing important players and their replacements needing some time to settle in
-other teams catching up in terms of tactics and forcing Dortmund in a dominant role, with very defensive and destructive approaches, his teams are always best against positive opponents who try to take part in the game
-some unfortunate injuries (Gündogan's and Sahin's long term injuries were a very big blow to Dortmund's build up )
-the wear of time, especially since despite the high profile departures a lot of the squad stayed together for most of his tenure
Rogers did nearly similar with a mid table side, if Gerrard hadn't done his usual falling down act against Chelsea.
Brendan has terrific character
Did nearly the same, as in winning nothing? Confused.com
Nail on the head here.
To bad they couldn't adapt to his philosophy...