Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?
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More importantly, ditch those teeth. That just ain't workin!
Ignore? It has been explained that Mainz were fighting a financial uphill battle at that time, that the Caf's Mainz fan was very satisfied with Klopp's tenure at Mainz and that almost all of the big German clubs (including Bayern) who were looking for a new coach during that summer of 2008 (after getting relegated and placing 4th that is) took a good look at Klopp.
I also don't even get what that job at a club as tiny as Mainz was at that time has to do with anything present.
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Looking as the OP, maybe we should be asking if LVG is the Dutch Brendan Rodgers?
This is a poor troll attempt. D-
Good Lord, yes - looks like a parody of an old school tooth paste ad.
But you need to put that into perspective. Mainz could be (at that time) compared to a club like Burnley in England, playing in a 20.000 seater stadium. Promotion itself and several season in the top flight were like a champions league win for them.
You could argue that Klopp put Mainz on the football map in Germany.
I'm hardly a violent man, but every time I see him smile I just want to punch those teeth out, and it has nothing to do with him - because it's all about them teeth, bout them teeth...
Like the fact that SAF won the CL in 99 and then failed to do so again for nearly a decade. What a loser... does that statement make sense? No it doesn't. So I thought it would be just the right thing to post in this brilliant thread.
Suggestions for new threads: Is Favre the swiss Roy Hodgson, seeing as neither of them has done well at a world cup? Was Ruud van Nistelrooy the dutch Andy Carroll? Is Cristiano Ronaldo the portugese Bebe? Is Bebe still a thing?
klopp/mainz failed to get promoted in 07/08 because Hoffenheim decided to spend silly money during the winter-transfer-window.
Is Messi the Argentinian Ashley Young?
Good job nobody cares.
Bebe is Portugese
Bebe is Portugese
He is, isn't he? Oh silly me...
This post says it all:
It's amazing how the usual suspects on the Caf don't miss a chance to talk down everything about German football. Now Klopp's record at Mainz is something bad all of a sudden and the second richest league in the world is comparable with the Scottish league in the 80's
While on the great EPL, fecking Southampton is 2nd, fecking West Ham is 4th and fecking Swansea is 5th.
Yes
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I kinda knew that.
Sure
The, er, famous, er, German sense of humour there.
Easy there soldier.Jurgen Klopp's managerial trophies at Borussia Dortmund
Brendan Rodgers' managerial trophies at Liverpool
Brendan Rodgers' managerial trophies at Liverpool
Just seen the thread. Man, there couldn't have been bigger insult for Klopp. OP must hate him.
If you watch BVB you know that they actually play really good, but they don't score. Against Gladbach they had at one moment 12 shots, Gladbach 0, the whole game was like that, but they only won because of an own goal. The Whole season is like that, they are playing well, but are just not scoring, while on the other end the defenders are playing badly, have blackouts during games, so they concede.
Liverpool play bad this season, they don't outplay anyone, which is not the case with BVB.
Liverpool play bad this season, they don't outplay anyone, which is not the case with BVB.
More fortune in the fact the transition the so called big 4 were at last season. The title was there for grabs and they failed at the last hurdle. I can't foresee them being with in 15 points of the title for many a season under Rodgers.
The only similarity is that they've had one season in particular which is better than their rest. However, that is where the similarities stop. Klopp has done what Rodgers has done but at a significantly higher level, which is exponentially harder. Where Rodgers' glory season was to get Liverpool into the CL, Klopp's was to get BD into a CL final.
Oh and of course, Rodgers is shit whereas Klopp is actually good.
Oh and of course, Rodgers is shit whereas Klopp is actually good.
Of course it is, there's no way of proving either way but they won 11 straight games and scored 101 goals in total over the season. I just said if they'd been in the CL with that sort of pre-Chelsea form then they definitely would've been up there and I don't think that's deniable. Purely hypothetical but they were that good for that period of time.
Klopp had at least 3 seasons that were significantly stronger than Rodgers' best. A title winning season, followed by a domestic double followed by a CL final while only losing the league and the cup to a treble winning Bayern team.
And when a promoted team in England is in 7th you would talk senctences like "SEE, the PL is so strong, even the smaller teams can have good runs".
Bundesligahaters.
Try to win a game in europe then we can talk.
To the thread question; no he is no Brendan Rodgers.
He made a midtable club and team into a top 10 8 team/club in europe. Ok, not he alone. There was a great Kicker story about Dortmunds comeback in this weeks Kicker.
Watzke, Rauball, Zorc and so on did fine to great jobbs too.
But he won 2 league titles with a team that was not that much better or deeper then the next 2 behind Bayern, a cup(which is rated very high in Germany and so very competitive), 2 Super Cups(not that highly rated but still trophies and every player, fan and club wants as much as they can get) against Bayern and reach a Cl final.
Add to that the fact that he lost 2:3 to Real last season, finished 2nd and reached the Cup final and won the super cup.
Yeah, Rodgers way behind him.
Edit: his Gegenpressing is also its own playing style and how many coaches can say of themselves to create such a great tactic.
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You misunderstood my point - don't disagree with anything you said lol.
What I was trying to say, I couldn't say which of those 3 seasons was more impressive. The surprising league title in 10/11 was incredible, no one expected that, not the result and certainly not the level they played on. He followed it up with a domestic double and a new points record in the league in the following season. They fecked up the CL group, but the level Dortmund played on in the 2nd half of 11/12 was better than any team we faced in the CL that year, which includes Real Madrid. Then they looked like the only team threatening us on the way to our treble, they pushed us closer to a loss in the cup game and the CL final than any other team that season, they were still brilliant. I honestly can't tell you, which of his 3 standout seasons is more special, which is why I disagree with the point that he has one season in particular that is better then the rest. And that was your point, right?
I don't know what the Rodgers comparison is meant to be about, but if the implication is that he's somehow been a flash in the pan, that's definitely not true.
It was always going to be the case that having their best players poached season after season would catch up with Dortmund eventually, no matter how many bargain buys Klopp managed to pull out of a hat. What with last season having been completely gutted by injuries, and the knock-on effects of that spilling into this season, its no surprise that that slump is now happening.
It was always going to be the case that having their best players poached season after season would catch up with Dortmund eventually, no matter how many bargain buys Klopp managed to pull out of a hat. What with last season having been completely gutted by injuries, and the knock-on effects of that spilling into this season, its no surprise that that slump is now happening.
They would have struggled just like they are right now. No breaks in between league games and even Suarez would not have dragged them through against the likes of Madrid all by himself.
It actually is. In fact it is highly debatable. If league form would just simply transfer to European competitions, then Dortmund would not have flanked out of both group stages in their title winning seasons. They also would not cruise through the group stage this season while struggling in the league. City would not be a walking failure in Europe and Juve would also have done better overall there in recent years. There are a lot of other examples aswell.
Thing is, that the league and the CL are two very different beasts. The former has higher emphasis on consistency while the latter is more about peak strength and daily form. Up until now Rodgers has also not shown the tactical awareness to go up against the likes of Guardiola, Simeone, Ancelotti or Klopp and come out victorious. Can I see Rodgers accomplishing what Klopp did in the return leg last season vs. the eventual winner of the competition: scaring the shit out of the star ensemble without seven starters with an effective tactics and formation shift? Definitively not.
So, it is a very simplified view of things in my book. Just as simplified as saying that Klopp has only one way to play and struggles vs. smaller competition. Last season, he managed the best season start in the history of the club pretty much exclusively vs. this kind of competition, won the vast majority of said games and scored 80 goals over the whole season. With the exception of maybe a handful clubs they are no teams in Germany left which take the initiative vs. them in the league and Klopp did react to that. His biggest adaption was a way higher emphasis on set pieces compared to former years, which led to big success in breaking deep lying defense lines.
He does have core principles in his approach of the game: pressing, directness and movement. But to criticise him for that would be unfair, because every (top) coach has certain principles. SAF put a high emphasis on the width of the pitch and crossing, Mourinho likes to build up from a very solid back line, sometimes even taking a destructive approach and Guardiola build teams around passing strength and possession. All of them have shown great tactical awareness which led to huge success, but all of them also favoured a certain style.
This thread is also comedy gold btw. I have not laughed so much because of a thread on the caf in a while. Nice way to come back from a short break from the caf.
So he's now open to offers supposedly. Hopefully he gives us Hummels before he jumps ship.
It's still a pointlessly stupid thing to say then. 101 goals and 11 wins in a row means feck all if in the end it means no title. You're easily impressed.
If you can't admit that they were one of the best teams in Europe at the time they were winning game after game and reaming teams then you're blinded by your allegiances. I don't like admitting it but I can. Obviously it means feck all because they didn't win but at the time they were absolutely nailed on to win it. That they didn't is testament to Liverpool's ability to provide United fans with everlasting entertainment.
All I said was if (if, hypothetically, if) they were playing like that in Europe (and honestly with the momentum they had I think they would've regardless of thin squad) then they'd have gotten far and it was Rodgers that had them playing that well. He's a complete fecktard when he speaks but he's clearly got some talent as a coach. Granted I don't think he's anywhere near Klopp's level but I think people underestimate him and overestimate Jurgen vastly.
Dumbstar tips his hat at you. I'm losing my touch.
It's a difficult choice this. Yeah Klopp has won lots of trophies but Liverpool will never have another manager like Rodgers; someone who is just basically a chilled out entertainer.