Maybe the suggestion was that because Germany is so much better at football than the British that a German Rodgers is actually a world class coach
Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?
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I want Brendan Rodgers to be our next manager......the German Brendan Rodgers.
Premier league can sell the matches between the two clubs as the 'Battle of the Brendan's".
Premier league can sell the matches between the two clubs as the 'Battle of the Brendan's".
Even on the best of days, Brendon would wish he was Klopp.
I understand the intended comparison and there are some similar characteristics, but I wouldn't go as far to say Klopp is Rodgers or whatever.
This thread has died 7 posts back.
Im pretty sure it will either be deleted by mods, or transformed into a NSFW thread with Klopp in a cowboy suit riding Brentan.
Or some shit like that.
Im pretty sure it will either be deleted by mods, or transformed into a NSFW thread with Klopp in a cowboy suit riding Brentan.
Or some shit like that.
This thread is a disgrace to Klopp. Why is it even still there?
Wtf ? No they wouldn't. It's one thing to do it in the PL but in the CL it's a different matter altogether.
Especially given how many goals they concede.
He took over a disorganised and struggling Dortmund side with no money, Rodgers job at Liverpool was far easier as he built his side mainly on players who had already been there plus he was allowed to spend money on new recruits, significant amounts too. Plus Klopp took Dortmund to a CL final and made them an European force, Rodgers might get knocked out by Basel or Ludogorets.
This thread. 
Come to think of it.
People keep quoting Klopp's record with Dortmund but nobody comments on his record with Mainz. I'm still to be convinced.
what a thread.To be fair he reminds me a lot of a pre Manchester United SAF. He went to a club with serious financial problems and built a competitive side with some shrewd signings. Like SAF at Aberdeen Klopp will soon find out that he's not able to take them to the next step because of financial constraints which forces him to sell the top players year in year out. Hopefully he will move to a club that understands him, allows him to retain the players he bring etc.
I stress on the pre United SAF comparision ie Klopp is nowhere near to the finishing product YET. He's yet to feel the pressure of working with a club were success is expected year in year out.
I stress on the pre United SAF comparision ie Klopp is nowhere near to the finishing product YET. He's yet to feel the pressure of working with a club were success is expected year in year out.
Juergen Klopp could very well turn out to be the German Arsene Wenger.
Man City being the best example that being good in the league means absolutely feck all in the CL.
Yes lets compare the Scottish league to Bundesliga.
Jürgen Klopp is easily the most likeable manager in my time as a football supporter (besides SAF of course, but then again I'm biased). He might be struggling at the moment but I like to focus on that he somehow managed to assemble a highly competitive squad every year despite getting robbed of his best players and having bad injury streaks. All that while playing the most attractive football seen in years (IMO). There's really something beautiful about watching a team be all up in Real Madrid's grill – at the Bernabéu. It was bound to happen that the injuries and best players leaving will hit him and his team hard, and that's a shame.
He was my first choice to replace Sir Alex and Moyes, and probably will be again should LvG fail. A really bad year won't change that.
Liverpool were great last year but their football has turned back to shit on a stick again without the all-action Suárez terrorizing everyone. Might change with Sturridge back and Sterling back on song but I actually doubt that. Rodgers is not fit to lace Klopp's boots yet. Still believe that Rodgers is a good manager though (but with a shit transfer strategy so far) but he really needs to show everyone that he's not a one-season wonder.
He was my first choice to replace Sir Alex and Moyes, and probably will be again should LvG fail. A really bad year won't change that.
Liverpool were great last year but their football has turned back to shit on a stick again without the all-action Suárez terrorizing everyone. Might change with Sturridge back and Sterling back on song but I actually doubt that. Rodgers is not fit to lace Klopp's boots yet. Still believe that Rodgers is a good manager though (but with a shit transfer strategy so far) but he really needs to show everyone that he's not a one-season wonder.
The Scottish league wasn't as shit in the 80s as it is now. Aberdeen won the Cups winner's cup and the UEFA super league back then. The Bundersliga is still stronger that the Scottish league of the 80s as much as Dortmund are stronger then SAF's Aberdeen. Having said that there's plenty of comparision that still stand.
a) its usually a two club horse race (actually its usually one club horse race ie Bayern can financially outmuscle anyone)
b) Apart from Bayern all other clubs are less strong then their counterparts in La Liga and the EPL.
c) Both SAF and Klopp had won stuff despite having serious financial constraints.
-he took the job right after he finished his playing career
-Mainz finished one spot above relegation the season before
-in his first season he missed promotion by 1 point
-in his second season they missed promotion by goal difference (1 goal actually)
-in his third season he got Mainz promoted to Bundesliga for the first time in the club's history
-his work at Mainz drew interest from Bayern and several other of the big(ger) clubs.
Or comparing one guy who came close to winning the CL but ultimately lost to probably the best team on the planet at the time with a guy who has played 4 games in the CL, one of which he put out a weakened team because he didn't think his team would win so chose to rest players for Chelsea.
One guy who has his team top of his CL group having won every match, scored 13 in 4 games, and only conceded 1, versus a guy whose team's only win was a shaky victory over Ludogrets, having conceded 6 and only scoring 2.
This season both Klopp and Brendan are in the 'should be doing better' category. That's the only comparison, but even then there's a difference. With Klopp, you expect him to get out of the current rough patch because of his track record. Brendan has had one fantastic season and came close to winning the league, but can he do the same again without Suarez.
Klopp has lost world class players and gone on to challenge and win things, which makes this season surprising. Brendan lost Suarez and pretty much everyone bar Liverpool fans saw this coming.
A better thread would have been 'Is Martinez the Spanish Rodgers?'. Both are young, promising managers who have done well with unfancied teams, moved to bigger clubs and done really well and are now struggling in their second seasons.
Klopp isn't just a young promising manager - he has delivered on that promise already.
And this is even before going in to transfer spending. Yeah, both Dortmund and Liverpool lost star strikers, but the fees received were slightly different. Both teams are struggling to replace their world class striker - the difference is that Liverpool were given a £75 million head-start over Dortmund.
You missed out the part about him getting them relegated in the 2006/7 season and failing to win promotion in the 2007/8 season.
When you work at a club as small as Mainz was at that time things like that can happen (and they came 4th in his last season again, only narrowly missing promotion). Most people in Germany probably shared that believe since that summer at least Bayern, Leverkusen, Hamburg seriously considered him before he signed his contract at Dortmund.
There is even a quote from Hoeneß saying that he had a verbal agreement with Klopp before the other guys talked him into hiring Klinsmann.
It's amazing how the usual suspects on the Caf don't miss a chance to talk down everything about German football. Now Klopp's record at Mainz is something bad all of a sudden and the second richest league in the world is comparable with the Scottish league in the 80's
.Last sentence I fully agree with. This might sound condescending so i apologise to his many fans on this forum, but at Dortmund, he can be the plucky underdog and popular loser. At United or any other club where success is demanded, that won't cut it.
I hardly think referring to one part of one manager's career equates to "talking down everything about German football".
It's amazing how the usual suspects on the Caf don't miss a chance to talk down everything about German football. Now Klopp's record at Mainz is something bad all of a sudden and the second richest league in the world is comparable with the Scottish league in the 80's
A bit over-sensitive there I'd say!
I'm not sensitive, I actually find it entertaining by now. And I'm fully aware that my comment was an exaggeration, thanks for pointing it out though. I can quote a Mainz fan about Klopp by the way, a recent discussion lead to the following beauty:
with the following answer by our resident Mainz fan:
He seems deeply disappointed with the job Klopp did at Mainz.
All very nice. I hope Dortmund don't end up the way Mainz did under him. Best ignore that though.
WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?
Dortmund's still a top 4-5 team in Europe. And they can compete with every team in the world over 2 legs.
I tried but the suggestion that Dortmund could get relegated is just too hilarious
. Thanks for the laugh though.Yes, I agree you'd have to be pretty sh1t to get relegated in that league.I tried but the suggestion that Dortmund could get relegated is just too hilarious
Are you serious? Have you even seen a single game of Mainz under Klopp? His time at Mainz was so bad that Hoeneß wanted to sign him
This is a desperate attempt to make my comment about 'talking down everything about German football' look less sensitive, right? Thanks mate, you're a real friend.
No, I didn't see a single game. What I do see see is the fact that under him they were eventually relegated and failed to get promotion again. Then he left.Are you serious? Have you even seen a single game of Mainz under Klopp? His time at Mainz was so bad that Hoeneß wanted to sign him
Glad to see you can actually converse and don't just go round laughing all day (as per your previous 2 replies)!
Yes of course it is. What, no laughter??
There's nothing to laugh about, it was a nice gesture and I thanked you.
So you're arguing with people who have actually witnessed everything first hand on the basis that you saw on wikipedia that he got relegated. Well...
I'm not arguing anything. I'm just stating a fact. It's for those who know more to expand on it for me. Just don't ignore it though, as if it never happened.