Is Jurgen Klopp the German Brendan Rodgers?

[Klopper76]

Rogers did nearly similar with a mid table side, if Gerrard hadn't done his usual falling down act against Chelsea.

We weren't a club stuck in the bottom half of the table when Rodgers came in. We weren't much better but still had Suarez, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina and to a lesser extent Agger. That's not a horrific spine to build around.

I also think that if Klopp had 12/13 or 13/14 Suarez then he'd be able to do better than what Rodgers managed in either of those seasons.

He's simply a better manager than Rodgers. The Wenger comparison might be the most accurate and the most adequate one.

 

[Man of Leisure]

Thought this was a new thread until I saw a post from Mad Winger.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

We weren't a club stuck in the bottom half of the table when Rodgers came in. We weren't much better but still had Suarez, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina and to a lesser extent Agger. That's not a horrific spine to build around.

I also think that if Klopp had 12/13 or 13/14 Suarez then he'd be able to do better than what Rodgers managed in either of those seasons.

He's simply a better manager than Rodgers. The Wenger comparison might be the most accurate and the most adequate one.

Klopp has a long way to go in the PL before he could be compared to Wenger's time here. He'd have to win it, for a start.

Rodgers and Klopp have the exact same % at 'pool FFS, with Rodgers having played more games! So of course it's fair (and factually accurate) to compare Klopp to Rodgers, as they are literally identical in their success rate.

For me, Rodgers is hard done by when it comes to scouse fans, and in turn, Klopp is massively over-praised (thus far).

With how fast football moves these days, I think the rest of the season is absolutely huge for Klopp.

A few weeks back I was being told by scousers in here that they were in a title race...

If he wins the FA Cup or gets top 4, I think (rightly) that'd be viewed as a very successful season. Do both and I'd tip my hat and say fair play that's impressive.

If he gets neither though, after the ridiculous hype earlier in the season, I think it could turn sour more quickly than some might guess.

 

[Pink Moon]

I also think that if Klopp had 12/13 or 13/14 Suarez then he'd be able to do better than what Rodgers managed in either of those seasons.

Rodgers would've won the league if Gerrard hadn't fell on his arse so that's unfair.

I've been a massive Klopp fan since around 2010-ish when his BVB side first burst onto the scene so I'm aware of how great a manager he is but the way Liverpool fans (and other fans) talk about him compared to Rodgers is crap. He's proven in his time at Liverpool so far that he's nowhere near being the massive upgrade a lot of people claim he is.

 

[AXVnee7]

Rodgers would've won the league if Gerrard hadn't fell on his arse so that's unfair.

Assuming of course that Chelsea still wouldn't have won that match regardless of the slip.

 

[Needham]

People not taking into account that this season is a Darwinian battle between most of the biggest managerial beasts of european football right here in the Premier league. It's going to take a while to sort out. Conte won't enjoy such a ride next season. but I fear Klopp is the real deal, a transformational manager who can radically alter a team's formation and style of play. What Liverpool aren't are a club who can attract the very best of European talent. They have to get very shrewd or lucky, as they did with Torres or Suarez. Had Klopp come to Utd and turned around our playing style in such a rapid positive way we'd be falling all over ourselves to laud his teutonic ingenuity.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Think Klopp will eventually get it right at Liverpool in a big way. Far more worried about him than Guardiola, who'll stay three years and then do one. Klopp could be their Fergie.

 

[JohnnyKills]

People not taking into account that this season is a Darwinian battle between most of the biggest managerial beasts of european football right here in the Premier league. It's going to take a while to sort out. Conte won't enjoy such a ride next season. but I fear Klopp is the real deal, a transformational manager who can radically alter a team's formation and style of play. What Liverpool aren't are a club who can attract the very best of European talent. They have to get very shrewd or lucky, as they did with Torres or Suarez. Had Klopp come to Utd and turned around our playing style in such a rapid positive way we'd be falling all over ourselves to laud his teutonic ingenuity.

They've shown that they can consistently entice 'tier 2' players - the up-and-comers on the cusp of greatness (Suárez, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano) . It's arguable that this is preferable to buying ready-made galácticos who might have already played their best football and/or drown in the hype.

 

[Adam-Utd]

People not taking into account that this season is a Darwinian battle between most of the biggest managerial beasts of european football right here in the Premier league. It's going to take a while to sort out. Conte won't enjoy such a ride next season. but I fear Klopp is the real deal, a transformational manager who can radically alter a team's formation and style of play. What Liverpool aren't are a club who can attract the very best of European talent. They have to get very shrewd or lucky, as they did with Torres or Suarez. Had Klopp come to Utd and turned around our playing style in such a rapid positive way we'd be falling all over ourselves to laud his teutonic ingenuity.

Yep he's been doing a good job so far, but getting them better is one thing, winning is another.

They're just back at the position they belong after a few seriously poor years.

 

[Duafc]

Klopp has a long way to go in the PL before he could be compared to Wenger's time here. He'd have to win it, for a start.

Rodgers and Klopp have the exact same % at 'pool FFS, with Rodgers having played more games! So of course it's fair (and factually accurate) to compare Klopp to Rodgers, as they are literally identical in their success rate.

For me, Rodgers is hard done by when it comes to scouse fans, and in turn, Klopp is massively over-praised (thus far).

With how fast football moves these days, I think the rest of the season is absolutely huge for Klopp.

A few weeks back I was being told by scousers in here that they were in a title race...

If he wins the FA Cup or gets top 4, I think (rightly) that'd be viewed as a very successful season. Do both and I'd tip my hat and say fair play that's impressive.

If he gets neither though, after the ridiculous hype earlier in the season, I think it could turn sour more quickly than some might guess.

Italics or emboldened words in almost every (annoyingly small) paragraph.

An impressive level of douchebaggery.

@SteveJ would be proud.

 

[SteveJ]

Theft is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[andersj]

We weren't a club stuck in the bottom half of the table when Rodgers came in.

Just finished eight. In Rodgers last season, Liverpool came 6th. Admittedly you where 10th when he left - 9 games into the season. I agree that Klopp is a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. Mainly because he know how to set up a defence. But I would argue that Klopp inhertied a better squad than Rodgers. The squad Rodgers inherited still struggled to lack of investments during the G&H-era (takes more then a couple of years to get back on track after that).

1 Brad Jones MV 19 mars 1982

25 Pepe Reina MV 31 augusti 1982 (Starting to become quite poor.)

32 Doni MV 22 oktober 1979

Defenders

2 Glen Johnson HB 23 augusti 1984

3 José Enrique VB 23 januari 1986

5 Daniel Agger MB 12 december 1984 (Always injured)

6 Fábio Aurélio VB 24 september 1979

16 Sebastián Coates MB 7 oktober 1990

23 Jamie Carragher (vice kapten) MB 28 januari 1978 (34 and little to offer on pitch)

34 Martin Kelly HB/MB 27 april 1990

37 Martin Škrtel MB 15 december 1984

38 John Flanagan HB 1 januari 1993

49 Jack Robinson VB 1 september 1993

Midfielders

8 Steven Gerrard (kapten) CM/OM 30 maj 1980 (32 and stagnating fast)

11 Maxi Rodríguez VY/HY 2 januari 1981

14 Jordan Henderson CM/OM/HM 17 juni 1990 (22, and a a player a lot of Liverpool fans wanted to get rid of)

19 Stewart Downing VY/HY 22 juli 1984

20 Jay Spearing DM/CM 25 november 1988

21 Lucas Leiva DM 9 januari 1987 (A key player at the time, and that says it all really.)

26 Charlie Adam CM 10 december 1985

33 Jonjo Shelvey AM 27 februari 1992

Attackers

7 Luis Suárez A 24 januari 1987 (Fantastic!)

9 Andy Carroll A 6 januari 1989 (A player that did not suit him, for some reason)

18 Dirk Kuyt A/HY 22 juli 1980

39 Craig Bellamy A/VY 13 juli 1979

It looks remarkable poor!


The squad Klopp inherited:

Goalkeepers

22 Simon Mignolet GK 6 March 1988 (age 28)

34 Ádám Bogdán GK 27 September 1987 (age 29)

52 Danny Ward GK 22 June 1993 (age 23)

Defenders

2 Nathaniel Clyne RB 5 April 1991 (age 25) (Decent player at a nice age.)

4 Kolo Touré CB 19 March 1981 (age 35)

6 Dejan Lovren CB 5 July 1989 (age 27) (Probably not good enough and the fact that he is one of the best players in defence shows where Rodgers failed.)

12 Joe Gomez RB/LB/CB 23 May 1997 (age 19)

17 Mamadou Sakho CB 13 February 1990 (age 26) (Could have been different?)

18 Alberto Moreno LB 5 July 1992 (age 24)

19 Steven Caulker CB 29 December 1991 (age 25)

26 Tiago Ilori CB 26 February 1993 (age 23)

37 Martin Škrtel CB 15 December 1984 (age 32) (At the same stage of the carriere as Carragher younger, but never as good.)

38 Jon Flanagan RB 1 January 1993 (age 24)

44 Brad Smith LB 9 April 1994 (age 22)

56 Connor Randall RB 21 October 1995 (age 21)

57 Joe Maguire CB 16 January 1996 (age 21)

Midfielders

7 James Milner CM/LW/RW 4 January 1986 (age 31) (Not a huge fan, but a player with something to offer.)

10 Philippe Coutinho LW/AM 12 June 1992 (age 24) (Aged 23 when Klopp came in. Brilliant player, and perfect age.)

14 Jordan Henderson CM 17 June 1990 (age 26) (Aged 25 when Klopp came in. Brilliant player, and perfect age.)

20 Adam Lallana AM/LW/RW 10 May 1988 (age 28) (Massively underrated when Klopp came in, but at the right age and a good talent.)

21 Lucas DM/CM/CB 9 January 1987 (age 30)

23 Emre Can CM/DM 12 January 1994 (age 23) (At the same stage of his carriere as Henderson was when Rodgers came in.)

24 Joe Allen AM/CM/LW 14 March 1990 (age 26)

32 Cameron Brannagan CM 9 May 1996 (age 20)

33 Jordon Ibe RW/LW 8 December 1995 (age 21)

35 Kevin Stewart DM/CM 7 September 1993 (age 23)

40 Ryan Kent RW/LW 11 November 1996 (age 20)

53 João Carlos Teixeira AM/LW 18 January 1993 (age 24)

54 Sheyi Ojo RW/LW 19 June 1997 (age 19)

64 Sergi Canós RW/LW 2 February 1997 (age 19)

68 Pedro Chirivella DM/CM 27 May 1997 (age 19)

Forwards

9 Christian Benteke FW 3 December 1990 (age 26) (A bit of the same as Carroll for Rodgers?)

11 Roberto Firmino FW/AM 2 October 1991 (age 25) (Aged 24 when Klopp came in. Brilliant talent, and perfect age.)

15 Daniel Sturridge FW 1 September 1989 (age 27) (A bit of the same as Agger for Rodgers? Good, but always injured.)

27 Divock Origi FW/LW 18 April 1995 (age 21)

28 Danny Ings FW/LW/RW 23 July 1992 (age 24)

48 Jerome Sinclair FW 20 September 1996 (age 20)



The players in bold are the key players in each squad or players with quality to build upon. Credit to Klopp for getting more out of Lallana, Henderson, Milner and Lovren, but I actually think Rodgers did quite well when you consider the sorry bunch he started out with.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Nah Bren was better....

 

[giorno]

oh yeah, liverpool had reina and sold him for mignolet Reina is still like a zillion times better than mignolet and karius put together

 

[Attila]

Was looking at Klopps win rate and decided to compare it with Rodgers...didn't expect it to be the exact same

Rodgers > Klopp. Fact!

 

[Ravelation]

The real question is; when does @TwoSheds get the 'Captain Foresight' tagline?

 

[Bepi]

I think the Wenger comparison may make sense at a later stage of Klopp's career because Klopp seems a very competitive guy not ready to give up the taste of victory yet. Wenger lost trophies so many times he does not even care anymore, he just acts as an administrator for Arsenal and a provost for youngsters & the beauty of the game.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Rodgers > Klopp. Fact!

Also, the thing that most are missing is that Rodgers' 50% is from a larger amount of games, thus is more impressive as it obviously includes the run of games that led to him actually being sacked...

When Rodgers took over, Liverpool had just finished 8th. His first season, they finished 7th. His second season they finished 2nd. His 3rd season they finished 6th.

Klopp's first season (taking over at the beginning of October) they finished 8th. And if this form should continue into the PL for them, and they were to finish outside the top 4, I think you'd have to ask whether he's actually taken them backwards, rather than the dramatic improvement that has been hyped so much.

It's a big 'if', of course, but make no mistake, this PL campaign is now crucial to Klopp keeping his players on side and not losing the dressing room.