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Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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Our attacking talent is at best equal with France. They have the best player in the world on the left, that counts for a lot. They've got Grizemann knitting things together, and we don't necessarily have that guile. They have Dembele who is Saka's equal. I think Kane is our only major advantage and to be honest in international football Giroud is more successful. You sound a bit entitled to me. It was what it was, a 50/50 game. We were not superior on talent but we did put out a good performance.
It felt almost cynical tbh. Rashford in scoring form and given scraps of time to do anything.Grealish on with a minute half left of extra time......
Any one defending this need their heads looked at
No final push in 2nd half is nothing new from his version of England.
A) Kane had already scored one, why would you stop him taking a second?
B) none of those take the job, so again, who replaces him?
Because he can play centrally and be better imo. He's a playmaker, playmakers are best utilised centrally. All his best play is when he comes inside.
So name names. I’m not seeing legitimate options anywhere.
When did England colonise Russia again?
Na Foden played well, Henderson off for Rashford and sliding Foden into midfield would have been the ideal option down 1-0 and 2-1.
He must have a billion pounds worth of players to choose from this is the strongest England squad in history
Groups of players like this and chances to win a major tournament are very rare and it’s being completely wasted
He’s been a bit unlucky admittedly but we can’t keep taking home the nearly trophy after every tournament
Groups of players like this and chances to win a major tournament are very rare and it’s being completely wasted
He’s been a bit unlucky admittedly but we can’t keep taking home the nearly trophy after every tournament
We did not put France to the sword, by the very definition of what that means. Grealish, Rashford, Maddison all on the bench to win this for us, instead they got like 5 minutes of game time. It's just a waste of a great squad.
Squad wise. Squad. Hence mentioning given their injuries. Their front 4 is as good as ours. But we have by the superior options on our bench.
Managing England is about more than managing the players. It's about managing the whole country, the expectation, the inevitable backlashes, the despicable but vocal racists when black players miss penalties, the media as desperate for a disaster as they are for success. And he's done OK. If you don't manage that the pressure on the players means that managing them is almost impossible. I like him. I'd hate him to manage United though.
Please justify why you think this.
In a 50/50 game we never win.
Wait for potter get the sack
I'm not the person being asked but to me it's obvious - Poch or Tuchel.
Tuchel is not allowed back in the country with no job, so he'd jump at the chance.
If it's about which British manager, then there's no one because the FA just waited too long and both Potter and Howe are gone (although Potter might be back on the market soon...)
2022 Nations League apart, England have been very decent overall under Southgate.
Let's not forget France are WC title holder, this tournament cannot be considered a failure imho.
He deserves to stay until next EURO and then I'd renew his contract only if he does really well in Germany
Let's not forget France are WC title holder, this tournament cannot be considered a failure imho.
He deserves to stay until next EURO and then I'd renew his contract only if he does really well in Germany
Neh can't criticise for late subs, we were well on top and nothing needed changing until France scored against run of play on 75. He then brings Mount on who wins a pen in about 2 mins.
Yeah probably, would he be much better than Southgate if he proves not good enough for Chelsea though? I’d probably say yeah but I wouldn’t be surprised if we had similar results just with slightly better football.
He was excellent on the ball, getting the team up the field with his ball control and dribbling. Provided more in that regard than the entire midfield.
This England team just lack the mental fortitude to make it count when it matters. I think Southgate isn’t the most motivational manager to play under which may be an issue.
Can he feck off now. Happy to appoint a foreign coach if needed.
Not sure if realistic but poch and tuchel aren't even employed right now. As long as we can get past their nationalities.
Even brenton would do a better job IMO. At least he isn't a defensive cowardly manager.
Potter and Howe as well if we went with the top English managers in the game right now.
OGS as a darkhorse.
A hologram of Alf Ramsey would be all right. Is El Tel still alive and kicking? We could bring him back with Lineker as his number 2.
We literally allowed them back into the game by not making changes to kill the game off when on top.
So England didn't lose a semi final to Croatia in Russia 2018 or to Germany at Italia 90?
Tommy Tuchel.
I don't think the English FA have the balls to appoint a German though.
He simply doesn't take risks and in knockout football you either need to be a tactical mastermind or take some fecking risks
Would Solskjaer have done any worse? That's all you have to say about how good a manager he supposedly is.
Mount got pushed in the back, he done feck all else. Grealish, Maddison and Rashford were all sat on the bench. He waited too late for the subs. Always reactive, never proactive.
Completely disagree. You bring on Rashford soon after the Kane equaliser, you stretch France and you make them think twice about attacking.
You not only then have a chance of actually winning the damn game but also alleviate the pressure from the French attack. Not sure why this is not obvious to more of you when this same point won't go amiss in a United game
I've never liked him. He massively benefited from good draws in the first WC and having practically a home tournament - in which he massively fluffed the final
However I think he's got this WC spot on and tonight we largely bossed the best team in the world and went out down to a bad ref, a missed pen and rotten luck.
The players seem to like him and I can't see an obvious replacement so I doubt he'll be going anywhere soon
However I think he's got this WC spot on and tonight we largely bossed the best team in the world and went out down to a bad ref, a missed pen and rotten luck.
The players seem to like him and I can't see an obvious replacement so I doubt he'll be going anywhere soon
We have decent bench options, not as good as you're making it sound. None of them are world beaters at this level. Not yet anyway. Why are they better than a Coman type player? I don't see it, they're just guys we're very familiar with because we're naturally inclined to talking about PL players. I don't think we had a major squad advantage over France, which is why the bookies saw it how they did.
He completed 1/2 dribbles in 85 minutes.
Decent because of a golden generation of attacking talent, the best we've had in long time where players like Sancho can't even get into the squad. And nothing to show for it. He is on a level to Santos and like Santos needs to go. Doesn't put on the good attackers to kill the game when we have the chance. Same story as with Italy. If this was England 2008 to 2016 squad, I can accept the results, he'll they'd be great. But with this squad? It's not great.
Obviously but that wasn't the question.
I think we need to accept you don't need to be a great coach at this level. Potter or eddie howe would be fine choice.
Maybe a coach in the system already?
I hate to do this to you as loads of idiots on here have done this to me. But that is a kind of FIFA game approach for such a high stakes high pressure game. No offence but it's kind of ridiculous.
But I definitely would have had grealish on earlier. And I would have liked to see Maddison get more game time over the tournament.
They had no problem appointing an Italian
Yup.