When has any England manager ever done that?
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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When? Tonight? If so, I'm talking about throughout the tournament.
Also, at the time it was 1-1, we were in the ascendancy and I believe Southgate didn't want to change that too much.
Could he have brought Rashford on before Sterling? Yes, but what other 'subs were awful'?
He was just as cowardly tonight.
Southgate will go at some point. Sorry to break it to you
fecking disaster of a manager.
Literally had a crop of players that could have gone on to win it all.
Instead played the most cowardly lineups he could possibly think of.
Get him out.
Literally had a crop of players that could have gone on to win it all.
Instead played the most cowardly lineups he could possibly think of.
Get him out.
England have the players to play a far better brand of football. They're being wasted.
Can he just feck off ? Such a coward manager.
Nah, cowardly would be 3 at the back.
He also brought on, in theory, a more adventurous sub in Mount for Henderson.
We've been way more cowardly tonight in the past.
He's improving by losing a stage earlier than in the previous World Cup. Now I've seen it all
I don't think he really tried to win the game or take charge of it when England got on top after the goal. Italy all over again.
There's only man for the job
England need a manager who can get the best out of your best player - Foden.
Not sure why England can't find that controlling player from an attacking central position. Foden plays on the left for City because they have De Bruyne and Bernardo. England don't have that and playing him out wide is a bad use of his talent.
Not sure why England can't find that controlling player from an attacking central position. Foden plays on the left for City because they have De Bruyne and Bernardo. England don't have that and playing him out wide is a bad use of his talent.
I have nothing against cs"s. To each his own
I think his influence is over exaggerated. Englands performance in major tournaments has happened at the same time as expansion to more teams. All 3 tournaments we have had easy groups. The only decent team he’s beaten in knockout football is Germany, but their recent world cups shows they aren’t the force they use to be. We are better but we could and maybe should have won a recent tournament.
His biggest weakness is changing games when things are going against the team. Never makes chances at the right time, never gives the team an extra 5% like Klopp or Pep. I know Mount won the pen but for me you bring in Rashford earlier. Foden was having a poor game. Grealish should have come on as well.
His biggest weakness is changing games when things are going against the team. Never makes chances at the right time, never gives the team an extra 5% like Klopp or Pep. I know Mount won the pen but for me you bring in Rashford earlier. Foden was having a poor game. Grealish should have come on as well.
He needs three years and £300m to spend on transfers before you can judge him
#garethsatthewheel
#garethsatthewheel
They weren't really. Just people have to find reasons to microanalyse because of the result. Not a heck of a lot wrong with the setup, tactics, the way they dealt with Mbappe, the flow of the game all went fine for England. It's moments in a 50/50 game, or actually one France were favourites for that went against us.
I didn't like Sterling as a choice because his form isn't good enough, but in my opinion looking at one decision which is just a substitute and evaluating everything off that is slightly pathetic. Rashford was the right choice, Mount for Henderson was probably the right choice, not very exciting but Henderson got through a lot of work and is old.
A lot different to that Italy game which we were appalling in and he managed poorly.
Honestly some people are blinded by us playing well, which is largely down to the far superior calibre of players in our squad to the likes of Aaron Lennon, Heskey and Walcott starting on the 2010s.
But what's the point of having such a great team if you never try to put teams to the sword? These sorts of squads come by once every 30 years, our attacking talent in the squad is better than France given their injuries and yet we never fully utilise it. Southgate tries not lose, until we inevitably lose.
But what's the point of having such a great team if you never try to put teams to the sword? These sorts of squads come by once every 30 years, our attacking talent in the squad is better than France given their injuries and yet we never fully utilise it. Southgate tries not lose, until we inevitably lose.
The Sterling sub was awful, but this really wasn't the Italy game. It's rare any manager ever makes 100% correct decisions (though I hold out hope for Erik!)
But yeah this one wasn't on Southgate tonight, the team was right. But I did feel a bit of what one poster said Southgate seeking his comfort level by getting Mount and Sterling on. I could understand Mount to some extent but Sterling for that game was crazy. Subs I would have had on were Grealish and Rashford but I wouldn't have taken Saka off so maybe only sub would be Grealish for Foden.
Southgate is fecking shite.
I've been a massive citric of Southgate... I thought we were pretty rubbish throughout the Euros despite winning. I don't think we were rubbish in this tournament though. Like @Berbaclass says it could just be down to the team being better, but I'm inclined to give Southgate some credit.
I'm sure he means it in the Deadwood sense of the word.
Déjà vu with Ole situation. Some just won't see it until we're getting battered left, right and centre.
I think the Sterling sub was the epitome of cowardly/safe. Totally wrong too.
Who would England realistically replace him with? Genuinely no idea who they’d go for/who they would be able to get.
Grealish on with a minute half left of extra time......
Any one defending this need their heads looked at
Any one defending this need their heads looked at
He has to go, simply because his cycle has ended this evening… he is going to resign at the presser.
Yeah grow up mate.
He does always come across well, but he's a rubbish coach. Hope he quits.
Yeah but England did put France to the sword tonight, especially in the second half. I say that as someone appalled by some of Southgates earlier games especially the Italy one.
Tonight was 95% fine margins and 5% Sterling, knives definitely not out for southgate after this one though I'd probably feel more comfortable with a better coach in charge.
It's all about the team. International football is about timing and taking your chance when all your effort over a generation, or even two, gets rewarded with a golden generation or at least one capable of winning the major prizes which are contested so, so rarely in football.
This is not club football we're talking about. You cannot just give a manager a season to see how he does or buy different players when you find the right guy. You have to find the right guy when the team, the conditions are there for you to win stuff.
Mount too. Switch to 4-2-3-1 and get Grealish on for Henderson. And why take Saka off when he was our best creator? Totally killed us.
Nothing wrong with admitting he's taken them as far as he can and recognising his limitations as a coach. I'd respect him if he resigned.
Why would we not play Foden in the position he plays 95% of the time for City?
A fella called Gareth something did it 4 years ago. Not sure what became of him after.
Who would you replace him with?
Please
He's shite but I have to admit, he set up the team quite well tonight, I guess the only thing you could fault him on is the unimaginative subs that he made and letting kane take the second pen(if it was his call to begin with).
But today aside, he should be replaced and there are some very capabilities managers out there.
Tuchel,Enrique and maybe even someone like klopp if their season goes to hell.
But today aside, he should be replaced and there are some very capabilities managers out there.
Tuchel,Enrique and maybe even someone like klopp if their season goes to hell.
Yeah, unless Saka was injured he should not have come off. Was causing them lots of problems. Should have been Foden for Rashford and I think we could have won that. We totally let France back into the game.
Anybody who has actually managed a top tier club/nation or won trophies.
Potter after it implodes for him at Chelsea.