If i was England fan, I would be furios. So many good players but he play like a coward.
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Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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Fecking hell, played France even, arguably better, lost to a wonder goal and a missed penalty, and people are complaining about his subs. People talking about what a mistake it was to bring on the player that actually won a penalty
Going toe to toe is not enough when we have a far superior bench.
Need to get Grealish on to try and win, likely Rashford too for Foden who was poor. Switch to 4-2-3-1 like France.
It's the obvious choice to try and win. Instead we had possession but didn't make it count. Brings on Sterling for Saka, removing our biggest threat by far for a sack of shite. Mount won a penalty but he never created anything. Game was dead when we he chose to do that.
We played well but not because of Southgate, it's in spite of him. A huge missed opportunity. It's just sad.
We could've played for the last 30:
Kane
Rashford - Grealish/Madison - Saka
Bellingham - Rice
That teams wins the game for us. Sadly Southgate has no clue. This is the most attacking talent England has had for 30+ years (squad wise), and it's not getting used properly.
England's Euro 2020 final was the equivalent of United's Europa final versus Villareal.
That's this bottlejob's ceiling. Get him home and gone
That's this bottlejob's ceiling. Get him home and gone
Bringing on Sterling after the week he's had is one of the worst decisions in World Cup history.
By far the better team and deserved to win definitely on balance of play.
Despite the result, he comes out of that with some credit. It’s not often England genuinely go toe-to-toe with one of the best teams in the world. Can only recall it happening with (West) Germany in 1990 and 1996 and Portugal in 2004 in my lifetime. He set the team up well, organised the shape astutely to keep tabs on Mbappe, made positive adjustments at half-time to get back into the game, and was ultimately undone by the fine margins in knockout international football. The Sterling sub was a mistake as there was no space in behind for an out-of-form pace-based player, but only one of half a dozen decisions he didn’t get right.
Can’t wait to see the back of him.Like Ole had lots of luck but ultimately not an actual manager.
I would keep him in charge for the Euros.
I don't think we'll get a better replacement, and he is improving as a manager
Another day and we're in a semi final.
Not often we go out when we've been the better side.
I don't think we'll get a better replacement, and he is improving as a manager
Another day and we're in a semi final.
Not often we go out when we've been the better side.
Yes. But also the timing of the subs and the actual subs did not work out.
Also remember Giroud missed a sitter.
Exactly France aren’t great and have been crippled with injuries. A good manager gets England through to the semis reasonably comfortably.
Sterling was a big mistake, but there weren't many mistakes he made tonight, it wasn't like the Italy game. But yeah Sterling, was annoying, why fecking Sterling does he watch players over the season?
He and Mount was Southgate reverting back to his comfort level rather than reacting to what was happening on the pitch
Who should be in the conversation to replace him?
Nearly isn’t good enough
Time for a change I’m afraid
Time for a change I’m afraid
He’s a nearly man, like 99% of England of all England managers.
Can’t really fault him. We played well, we were the better team. France are a better and more experienced team and luck (and the ref) really wasn’t on our side today. It’s fine margins at this level.
I thought he did well.
The Sterling decision was appalling. But then I don't rate the fella very highly at the best of times, to bring him on in that moment, to be a headless chicken was just dumb.
Graelish should of been on far earlier, I'm not sure if England were pandering for penalties, or France were just that naive in defence. Not only that, the last minute FK.... Graelish would of had them on ice panicking - with Saka on the other side, who he absurdly took off too.
If Pochetinno wants it give it to him.
We actually tried to win. We’re the better team over the 90. Can’t ask for more. We never win those type of games.
So Sterling who missed a game, had a long round trip and some unpleasant events back home gets in ahead of Rashford who is in fine form. Sounds logical.
Analyse it as much as you like
Rashford is Englands most in-form and best attacker and leaving him on the bench is why England lost. Thanks
Rashford is Englands most in-form and best attacker and leaving him on the bench is why England lost. Thanks
I struggle to understand the people critisising Southgate.
He put an end to the 343/352 and other than the USA game, we scored quite freely.
Made changes when he needed to and I felt his addition of Henderson, despite the moans, brought a much needed balance to our game.
Semi final and final in the two previous major tournaments, and today, we were the better team, in my opinion, against the current world champions.
Just wasn't meant to be but not much else he could have done, in my opinion.
He put an end to the 343/352 and other than the USA game, we scored quite freely.
Made changes when he needed to and I felt his addition of Henderson, despite the moans, brought a much needed balance to our game.
Semi final and final in the two previous major tournaments, and today, we were the better team, in my opinion, against the current world champions.
Just wasn't meant to be but not much else he could have done, in my opinion.
Southgate has done well to get England this far, his team played well tonight even though the result didn’t go our way. I would say that he was too reactive with his subs tonight, he should have brought Grealish and Rashford on earlier to try and win the game rather than waiting out. Secondly, Sterling shouldn’t have come on, I have nothing against him but Rashford and Grealish should be ahead based on how this tournament has gone so far.
I would like him to step down from here but I also don’t see who would take over. The only two I like are Howe and Potter who are both engrossed in club football that I can’t see them stepping up to the National job right now.
I would like him to step down from here but I also don’t see who would take over. The only two I like are Howe and Potter who are both engrossed in club football that I can’t see them stepping up to the National job right now.
By what metric? He's got a better team, he's not a better manager.
He lacks that extra something to change things when it's not going for you.
Okayish manager but England need more to win.
Okayish manager but England need more to win.
Subs were awful
Think Ole should be in the running to replace him.
Rashford should have come on much sooner for Foden, who I don't think was at his best.
Sideways move..
I thought England played well. Missed Saka sitter, missed penalty. Not on Southgate tonight, though still wouldn't rate him as a top manager
This is the big thing for me. Who would we get to replace him? There isn't anybody English worth hiring, so we'd have to go with a foreign manager again. The managers worth hiring are already in jobs.
I would leave it for now and give him the Euros.
Homophobic insult but ok
Subs were needed much earlier. We equalised and were on top.
Game was there for the taking from 55-70 but we let the it drift.
Game was there for the taking from 55-70 but we let the it drift.
Yes.
Why did he take Saka off? He was your most dangerous player. An unbelievably bad decision.
Why did he take Saka off? He was your most dangerous player. An unbelievably bad decision.
No one. He gets you out of the group and wins you 1-2 ko games. That is a good enough outcome to continue.
Absolutely. When he made them they were poor also.
By being less cowardly and by having us playing better then before, we do have a better team and he actually has us playing well.
I don't think he is shite. As we can see now, being a defensive-minded manager, he is in good company. All the teams left in the WC right now have a very defensive mindset.