His use of substitutes in this game was terrible.
Is Gareth Southgate a shiite England manager?
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Again, people keep saying this but Rashford didn't do much when he was on either and he only came on about six minutes after Sterling.
I don't see what basis there is for thinking Rashford would've massively changed the outcome here.
Was it not about getting to the semis reasonably comfortably??
Southgate literally did it 4 years ago.
Because France were in the lead by then ffs...
After the Kane goal, the game was stretched and it was literally a similar scenario to what we did to the Arse at OT this season. He'd have terrorised them
There were reports that he would be interested and he really liked living in England.
Big risk though, He's certainly not a "yes man" like Southgate. Bit of a marmite personality (I love Marmite and Tommy Tuchel).
They clearly were for a period of about 15-20 minutes after HT after the goal.
Well why don’t you wait and see how interesting it isSo you're literally saying that the bookies are wrong
interesting take.
The bookies are "wrong" about this stuff quite regularly.So you're literally saying that the bookies are wrong
interesting take.
......and you actually watched the game, did you? The 2.32 xg, 8 shots on target one? And that looked like risk- free, overcautious football to you?
Taking saka off was a strange one.
I'm no Mount fan, but he was very nearly the exact game changer you hope from by a sub!
By being clattered by a defender yes, but still.
Why was saka subbed?
Not against a top nation. He beat Sweden.
He wasn't going to reach that ball anyway. He's just not as good as Foden or Saka, period.
I thought we controlled the game really well, France got 2 goals out of absolutely nothing
But Foden and Saka we're still causing problems, so I don't see what the obvious change would've been?
Yeah; I just think it might be worth it for, at least, the Euros and see if we can get that one trophy with this side.
I quite liked Tuchel myself.
He’s the greatest manager England have had since 60’something so I believe it’s only fair to keep him on as long as he wants…write your own cheque Gerathe.
Nope, you're right. I can't wait until Mauricio Pochettino leads United out as manager again. After all, he was odds on to take over at one point and the bookies don't make mistakes eh?
Foden was poor. England could have done with the pace of Rashford. Saka should obviously have stayed on.
That's how I feel, too. He's almost the perfect England manager in a lot of ways. He's a decent human being. He's understated and not overly given to indulging names or reputations. He's also not prone to adding fuel to some of the dafter fires that surround the England team, which when you're under the scrutiny he and the team are, is essential. He wants the team to be more than the sum of its parts rather than relying on flashes of brilliance and personality-driven moments.
But like you, I wouldn't want him at United. Too many of his strengths as a manager are very particular to the management of the national team, at this this moment in time.
Poch was bookies favourite for the United job when Ole was sacked. Also when Jose was sacked, for that matter.
He set the team up well and they ultimately performed. Kane missing a pen isn’t on him, but once again his decision making re: subs is seriously questionable. Was the same against Italy in the Euros. He still hasn’t beaten a top side in a tournament and I don’t think he ever will, were he ever to find himself facing one again.
For the first time in my lifetime England has fantastic quality and depth in nearly every position for the considerable future. I genuinely believe we’re on the cusp of truly joining the elite long term. Southgate has helped that in a way, but I don’t believe he’s capable of taking the next step and guiding a team to the promised land - either at the WC or Euros.
Ultimately, what’s way worse than him is the FA. Even if he resigns, I have zero faith they’d ever appoint an upgrade if one was staring them in the face (which it isn’t, unless Poch genuinely wants to manage England.)
For the first time in my lifetime England has fantastic quality and depth in nearly every position for the considerable future. I genuinely believe we’re on the cusp of truly joining the elite long term. Southgate has helped that in a way, but I don’t believe he’s capable of taking the next step and guiding a team to the promised land - either at the WC or Euros.
Ultimately, what’s way worse than him is the FA. Even if he resigns, I have zero faith they’d ever appoint an upgrade if one was staring them in the face (which it isn’t, unless Poch genuinely wants to manage England.)
Right and ETH was a 100 to 1 appointment then?
I dont think you understand how it works lad.
Transfer/manager markets are a load of shite. The liquidity in the markets are extremely small and it takes hardly any money to move the prices on them. The bookies know absolutely nothing about stuff like that.
Is he though? You largely outplayed France and played very well throughout (US match aside). Maybe deciding a Spurs player should take clutch penalties was a bit daft.
Take care, bookies' odds reflect other people's expectations and where they place their money to ensure they don't lose money themselves.
For a recent example of how misaligned bookies' odds can be with observable data, see Brexit
The irony is in last 3 big tournaments including this WC, the only big side he has beaten in KO round is a shit Germany in ro16 in euros. Colombia Sweden Croatia (Lost), Germany, Ukraine, Denmark, italy(lost), Senegal, France(Lost).
Overall draw were kind to him otherwise things could have been bad.
Overall draw were kind to him otherwise things could have been bad.
I’m with you two.
I do suspect that when the older heads who were his stalwarts when he started start retiring it’ll help in that he feels he owes them for supporting him when he was a ‘nobody’ and just interim. That’s admittedly just a theory though.
The general statesmanship side of the role he’s brilliant at, and people do forget how important it is to build spirit as he has done.
English pundits, fans, media etc can be so annoying. The notion that losing in the quarter finals keeps happening to just them is absurd. Southgate did a good job, he marked Mbappe out of the game with England truly competing with France.
This after taking England to the Euro finals and world cup semi-finals prior. What else could he have done?
There will eventually be a media push to sack him. he will get replaced and England will be back to being a group stage or second round exit.
This after taking England to the Euro finals and world cup semi-finals prior. What else could he have done?
There will eventually be a media push to sack him. he will get replaced and England will be back to being a group stage or second round exit.
Think that was Kyle Walker mate.
Not to stick the knife in but the Netherlands are one of the only teams that are worse bottlejobs than England in European football and have a worse squad, so your criteria might be a bit misaligned
There was no mention of beating a top team. In 2018 and 1990 England made the semis reasonably comfortably on foreign soil. Really not sure why you'd suggest otherwise.
You guys are hard to please
You have to love these types that try to play the adult in the room but eventually end up looking clueless like all the Solskjaer fanboys on here
Told you Maddison wouldn't get a single minute. He built a great team but he's not up to the task when it comes to tournaments.
Me?
That was such a terrific England performance and if you still are blaming him then it’s obvious that you have a biased opinion & nothing that happens on the pitch will change that
As someone who doesn't rate him much, I don't think the FA should let him leave.
Just have a look at all the managers in the quarterfinals of this world cup. All are defensive and cautious managers, this is basically the reality of international football and a better manager like Enrique or Flick guarantees nothing.
Just have a look at all the managers in the quarterfinals of this world cup. All are defensive and cautious managers, this is basically the reality of international football and a better manager like Enrique or Flick guarantees nothing.