No, Mohammed Shami and Varun Aaron were supposed to be the next great Indian pace bowling hopes who could both bowl 90mph+.
India's tour of England
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No, Mohammed Shami and Varun Aaron were supposed to be the next great Indian pace bowling hopes who could both bowl 90mph+.
Ahh, okay.
Yeah, you hear a lot about Indian pace bowling hopes who can bowl over 90mph...
Shami wasn't ever a 90mph plus bowler.
Aaron and Umesh Yadav are and both of them can still bowl. Our coaching staff though decided to leave Yadav at home inspite of him being one of our better bowlers.
Well I hate to say it India fans, but even England would struggle to replicate this level of incompetence. England will likely have a lead after being 202-7 v 457. That's a special level of appalling from the opposition.
Told you guys Dhoni's captaincy is diabolical. fecking shit captain and would've been sacked had he not been close to Srinivasan.
What are we up to, not taking singles?
If England have a notion of winning this Test they need to push on now rather than sit back. Unless the plan is to go for the draw and grind India into the dirt so they're tired for the next Test...
They were never anointed as such. Not sure where you're getting this from. Shami's never bowled 90mph+.
What I posted a few pages back.
The last time Dhoni got runs in England, Tim Bresnan nearly got a century and England beat our bowlers to a bloody pulp.
Who would you play in his place? Batsman or bowler?
I'd go with Rohit. Our only other decent bowler is a spinner and in general, you wouldn't play 2 spinners in England.
If this had been a bowler-friendly track, Dhoni at 6 would have been calamitous.
My apologies in that case, I do seem to remember seeing Shami bowling plenty faster than this - a good 87-88mph before though, he's barely more than a mdeium pacer here.
He's a decent-good bowler. Line and length and decent pace. Very good with the older ball when it starts to reverse.
Probably our best bowler..
fecking hell this is ridiculous!
Now that we'll anyway be battling for a draw, I hope Anderson gts his entury.
Only problem with that is that'd insert some serious energy into his bowling.
Only problem with that is that'd insert some serious energy into his bowling.
Both sides are so woeful.
Damn! Just the saw the scoreboard, had written this match off as an Indian win. A bit awkward now for Cookie, that Anderson has scored more runs than he has (and definitely more time at the crease) in 2014 so far.
Unfortunately the pitch has let everyone down if we're being honest. Pretty damn awful for a fourth day
EDIT: and now Anderson is out
Unfortunately the pitch has let everyone down if we're being honest. Pretty damn awful for a fourth day
EDIT: and now Anderson is out
Odds of India being bowled out by the end of the day?
Low. Very low in fact. No matter what you say about scoreboard pressure, the fact remains that the pitch still offers nothing to the bowlers. In fact, rather than deteriorating as it might in the subcontinent, it seems to be getting more and more docile.
Hmmm. Ali clearly isn't a top rank Test match bowler but I think he's a lot better than the part-timer people have described him as thus far. He also seems to have somewhat of a golden arm when he comes on too and tends to break solid looking partnerships so far.
He is a part timer. He's just as good as part timers come. Reliable, handy at getting set batsman out and can become genuinely dangerous on a wearing pitch.
Probably about the level of Steve Smith, I'd say.
EDIT - Actually Clarke's a better comparison. If Clarke didn't have a dodgy back...
Nah he's better than that for me. And has plenty of potential too - he gets as many revs as Swann ever did if that rev-counter is reliable (which I do somewhat doubt to be fair), and apparently has this doosra also...
First class average of 40. I'd expect him to average a bit more than that, in test cricket.
He's working on a doosra but I don't think we'll be seeing anything coming from that, anytime soon. He's only really been trying to make it happen since Ajmal's latest spell for Worcestershire. It's something that usually takes years to get right.
Well Swann averaged 32 in First Class cricket and Monty averages 34.5, which is very much less than stellar. I don't think for an English spinner you can totally set your store by their first class average. And Ashley Giles averaged I think 45 in Test cricket which is enough to do a job, especially since Moeen is also clearly a miles better batsman than Giles was.
Not to mention that Ali was seen as a pure batsman for a long time who could dob the odd couple of overs down in times of need and nothing more than that.
Not to mention that Ali was seen as a pure batsman for a long time who could dob the odd couple of overs down in times of need and nothing more than that.
I've seen him bowl a lot, as I was a Worcestershire member. The average isn't hard on him. It's also largely been from Division Two cricket.
He's always getting better, as a bowler, so he could become a decent test bowler but there's no way I'd be happy with him being our lead spinner outside of England, New Zealand or South Africa, at present.
Giles averaged 40, didn't he?
He's always getting better, as a bowler, so he could become a decent test bowler but there's no way I'd be happy with him being our lead spinner outside of England, New Zealand or South Africa, at present.
Giles averaged 40, didn't he?
Well yeah I can agree with that assessment, but then again I did say I don't think he's a top class Test spinner, rather he's somewhere less than that but much more than a genuine part-timer. And besides, who is there in County Cricket who's better? Adil Rashid? Jigar Naik? Riley? The cupboard's pretty bare...
Very talented player, though. If he sorts out his decision making, he has the ability to make it in both the test and one day sides as a batsman.
EDIT - We'll wait and see how they all do, towards the end of the season when spinners come in to it more. At the moment it doesn't look good. I'd still fancy Kerrigan, personally, if no one else can make a claim.
EDIT - We'll wait and see how they all do, towards the end of the season when spinners come in to it more. At the moment it doesn't look good. I'd still fancy Kerrigan, personally, if no one else can make a claim.
that is a gorgeous shot.
This pitch is ridiculous. Day 4 and still nothing in it.
Yep agreed. I've been the first to criticise subcontinental teams when they produce those featherbed nonsense pitches, but at least they deteriorate. This pitch is just scandalous.
This pitch is anti cricket.
Think England have been bowling well here.
What's happened to Pragyan Ojha by the way? He was the spinner that impressed me most when England toured India but haven't heard anything of him since?
Thanks to this atrocious pitch and sub par bowling with inept captaincy, Murali Vijay is a world beater.
Not sure why you and a few others are picking on Vijay. He was one of our best batsmen in SA and he's done well here. It's the same pitch for everyone and he's made the most runs of our batsmen.
Out now.
And surprise surprise Cook, use Ali like an actual bowler rather than a novelty to turn to when all else fails, and he will actually take wickets.
oh dear.
Two wickets thrown away and we're in a bit of trouble.
Last pair of recognized batsmen.
Two wickets thrown away and we're in a bit of trouble.
Last pair of recognized batsmen.
Was pretty poor batting, that (both).
Think India just need to survive until the close and this one's all but a draw, though.
Think India just need to survive until the close and this one's all but a draw, though.
Credit to him, but that nature of dismissal is one of the reasons why.
Game on 