I'd be very tempted to play Rahane at number 3 or at least 4. He's shown more patience and form than the incumbents.
India's tour of England
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They'll win tests I'd say. Even if we fix our batting, our bowling is utterly toothless.
Good for the series but we will probably never know what actually happened.
England will be favourites at OT especially if Ishant is out. Aaron seems a good bet to bring in but not sure who will go out. Pankaj Singh deserves another chance and Dhoni won't drop Shami. Only way Aaron can be in is if Bhuvi doesn't make it.
Yup. Won't hurt sending Kohli down to 5th temporarily and Rahane up to 4th.
Not so sure about that, an excellent performance though the last test was, all the problems we've had in the past year haven't suddenly gone away in one match.
Still, the bowling attack would have been very toothless without Anderson. Now we can ignore this problem till when he retires probably next year. Hopefully Woakes keeps his place, on another day he'd have got a few wickets and generally bowled well, whilst Stokes should be recalled and kept in the team instead of Jordan. Even though his batting has gone terrible, Stokes is a bigger wicket threat than our other bowlers beyond Broad and Anderson and that alone should have him in the team. Plunkett is not a long term option, and neither is he so good he demands a place in the side hence we should look to develop Stokes and keep faith with him.
Still, the bowling attack would have been very toothless without Anderson. Now we can ignore this problem till when he retires probably next year. Hopefully Woakes keeps his place, on another day he'd have got a few wickets and generally bowled well, whilst Stokes should be recalled and kept in the team instead of Jordan. Even though his batting has gone terrible, Stokes is a bigger wicket threat than our other bowlers beyond Broad and Anderson and that alone should have him in the team. Plunkett is not a long term option, and neither is he so good he demands a place in the side hence we should look to develop Stokes and keep faith with him.
Good stuff. Always seemed massively overblown.
Why so soon?
Well he'll be 33 next year, England put a lot of workload on him too. He'll also overtake Botham's record for most wickets sometime in the next year (and reach 400 test wickets). Not too mention it's also the world cup next year.
Maybe he'll stay on, but the Ashes next summer strikes me as a natural end to his England career, particularly if England win the series. I'm not sure how motivated he'll be to stay on beyond that given he'll have achieved everything he's realistically going to achieve for England by next summer.
Is there any footage of the incident which caused all this?
Anderson's stats on SSN.
Best innings for England at OT: 4-118
That's surprised me. I'd have thought he'd have had far better figures than that in at least one of his 4 tests there. Has never failed to take a wicket in an innings though, so that's a plus.
Best innings for England at OT: 4-118
That's surprised me. I'd have thought he'd have had far better figures than that in at least one of his 4 tests there. Has never failed to take a wicket in an innings though, so that's a plus.
Funny that in many other cases, people have been found guilty and punished based on just testimonies...Nope.. the cameras were there but they weren't working at that time..
Ah, I thought he is 30-31. Ya, he might retire after Ashes then. Although, I would personally love him to reach 450 test wickets before retiring. Deserves to end up among some of the all time greats, statistically.
No reason for them to be on.Nope.. the cameras were there but they weren't working at that time..
Usually spins. Panesar/Swann generally did a good chunk of the work.
Wasn't Harbhajan given reprieve because of lack of evidence in 2008? Can't ban a player when the testimony is from one side. Had there been some 3rd party as witness then it might have counted more.
How has been OT pitch's nature recently? It was relaid as well few years back, right?
They turned the whole square round 90 degrees. It's been slower than it used to be.
What?
What's the point of having security cameras there, if they aren't on, during the test match.
Why would you need them on during a test match? They're not for spying on the players.
My assumption would be that this isn't a security camera, given there is no need for one, and that it's there for media use when needed. The only references to it being a security camera come from the Indian press. Notts just said "yes there's a camera, no it wasn't in use" which backs that up.
When the cameras are installed, there's a natural assumption that they'll be kept on all the time or else what's the need of them?
Can't believe I'm explaining this seemingly easy concept.
You can keep fantastising about conspiracy if you want but there isn't any basis for it.
Aye sure and you can keep making assumptions but there's isn't any basis to it.
No conspiracy but the insistence that there was no reason for cameras to be on is extremely funny.
OT is a quick pitch, certainly for the first couple of days of any game. Days 3 and 4 the track does become far more conducive of spin though, but still retains it's pace. Day 5 is a spinners paradise. It's a big toss to win. I wouldn't want to batting on the last day chasing 250+.
@TMH Yeah it turns at OT, but the pace boys will do the damage. Will be interesting to see what type of strip the groundsmen prepare. But I guarantee you it'll be quick for a couple days.
There is. There's what the people who own the cameras have said which differs from the words used by people whose job it is to make stories out of nothing.
Okay..#YAWN
Anyway glad this is over. Dhoni got emotional in the pre match conference before the third test, we should hopefully move on from this.
England should rest broad now that Anderson is playing. He looked absolutely tired.
England should rest broad now that Anderson is playing. He looked absolutely tired.
Nah. He's doing well at 5, let's not feck him about. England and Root are a good example of what not to do.
You're much more fun than anyone else in cricket threads. We're far too polite too each other in here, normally.
I'd agree with that (see?).
The cricket thread needed a pantomime villain ever since MikeUpNorth and Spoony stopped their wumming!
I mean nothing most of the times.
Who'd have thought that we would be missing Ishant Sharma?
Dhoni grassing up Jimmy pushing Jadeja on interview (SSN). Poor show. Must feel aggrieved JA didn't receive any punishment. Anderson will probably hit him square in the grill the first ball Dhoni faces for that.
FAO Indians - does Dhoni still have a Bollywood-like status, like he did a few years ago? I think he was bigger than Brahma himself at one point.
Not as popular with the general public as he was back then.
His popularity peaked after WC 2011, but his stock took a downfall after 8-0. I love him in the One Days mind. No better finisher than him right now.
Was it after the one day world cup that he said he was going to quit Test cricket in a year or so?? Wonder if he still has those plans..
Naah, he didn't reach the scales of popularity reached by some other players in history of Indian cricket but he milked it nicely bagging fat commercial deals and gaining celebrity status. tbf his One day game has never been affected amidst all this and in test he never improved much away from home and has serious limitations which he couldn't overcome.
Hope he does. Not good enough to be captain and batsman in the test matches. His negativity costs us far too much in the test matches.
Even the commentators on the Indian TV have started using the phrase "5 batsmen and Dhoni" when it comes to our batting.
Great news about Anderson. Could be the difference.
You are not being critical about our bowling simply because we've gotten used to them being shit. They don't rush the batsmen, except on Ishant's good days and that is needed on pitches like this. Likes of Australia wouldn't have let England score 350+. Or drop catches like we do. They put relentless pressure.
Botham called a whitewash in favour of England.
That's basically my muppet team from a few pages back.
No Gambhir, please. Last thing we need is more fielders who can't be bothered to run.
Maybe swap Rahane and Kohli.
Ummm, I was talking about England.
As far as India is concerned, Yes our bowling was bad and they could have done more but as I have said before, every time we can't put whole blame on bowlers. Yes you don't win a test if you don't take 20 wickets but it is as much true that you lose a test only if you lose 20 wickets and India has lost considerably more tests than drawing. If India had scored say 450 in first innings, this match could have been draw. England's bowling was good and spirited but it wasn't as relentless as we have seen Australia bowl when there is no breathing space.
A team is out of the match when your bowling concedes 500+ in the first innings.
Making 450 in the first innings is a lot tougher with scoreboard pressure, than without.
He was never that popular really. All the top Indian players get treated like proper "stars" so he's definitely been one of them. But I wouldn't say he gets the deity treatment as say Tendulkar has. Then, again, noone really has.