0 percentage of Modi supporters came. Only thing you're doing is cementing our support. CAA is a bill to support the migration of the minorities from neighbouring Islamic states. Is showing opposition to such a move really going to help the Congress? I mean in 2003 they were backing the minorities to be given Citizenship.
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Yes, it's very benign, which is why the Home Minister ended his speech defending it in Rajya Sabha by saying "hum NRC bhi layenge".
FIrst line is what I' saying and why I think Modi will be re-elected. I couldn't give a flyinf feck about the Congress. THe issue is the combining of CAB and NRC/PNR to exclude people without documents and then re-include non-Muslims.
People are protesting against the blatant discrimination and inequality in the CAA and the risk that it poses when combined with NRC.
The real confusion is with the government unsurprisingly, as each of the cabinet ministers is coming out with different and contradictory statements. Smarter cabinets exist in ikea.
Where's the discrimination? Hindus,Christians, buddhists, Sikhs, parsis have been given accelerated citizenship, because they're facing persecution. Who exactly is this law discriminating against?
How can you exclude people without documents and then reinclude them when CAA is being implemented before NRC. Refugees are being given acclerated citizenship, thats all.
Congress is fanning the flames to what if they had implemented would be a harmless addenda, not worthy of a seconds debate.
Because anyone excluded can claim discrimination. Many lakh Hindus, including people who are poor and don't have papers but are Indian citizens*, were caught by NRC in Assam; they couldn't show proof of residency before 1971. Now they can claim to be Hindu Bangladeshis fleeing persecution and will be on accelerated citizenship, while Muslims will remain in the camps where they are now.
When there is a nationwide NRC, any non-Muslim who does not have papers can claim similar.
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* for example - https://in.reuters.com/article/indi...me-workers-fear-detention-there-idINKCN1VT01I
Congress has miniscule vote share and support in UP, update your enemies list.
Cops killing people in a BJP ruled state is a Congress agenda/fanning flames.
Ok
It's amazing that only in places where BJP controls the police, the protestors are becoming violent. What a coincidence!
They’re now gonna use WB to counter you, however the last week incident was apparently RSS guys dressed in caps. Hmmmmmm
UP police were just following their masters orders
https://scroll.in/video/947491/goli...ideo-of-his-peaceful-march-supporting-the-caa
i think mamata is a dangerous leader who thrives off the same polarisation. i dont think she realises how badly the backlash will destroy her.
What does that tell you? Read what you wrote again. Protestors are becoming violent only in BJP ruled states. We've already seen this once in BJP's last term. Cow lynching was being raised as an issue only in BJP ruled states, whereas the cases in other states were being ignored.
I dont know it might have something to do with how the police behaved just throwing that wild idea out there maybe some people can investigate this mystery further
You recent posts attempt to provide moral legality and demonstrate you as impartial and charitable. From that position, Id like to ask you some questions, so I can better myself:
- I wrote the below post on a previous page: would love your response.
- Also why is the zero burden of proof of persecution from these 'minority' within CAA?
- Last, why exclude minority from the two other bordering countries: Nepal and Sri Lanka.
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Modi think's he is being smart and ideologically infallible with his stance on welcoming 'persecuted minorities' from Muslim dominated nations.
I cant speak for Pakistan, but there is no cultural or political sponsored oppression of Hindu's in Bangladesh. Of course there are crimes against Hindus, but majority of these are simply the % share of crimes vs their population size; they were not victims because of their religion, and plenty more Muslim Bangladeshi's are victims of the same crimes.
One may find isolated incidents of religious persecution, but it is not part of any national narrative, nor celebrated or desired by the majority of the population. Hindu's actually have a special place in Bangladeshi society, often because of being well educated, and have over representation in sectors like law, university teaching and medicine. Old Dhaka comes alive during all the nationally mandated and celebrated Hindu public holidays.
Modi's thesis that they are running from oppression and persecution is totally false. The truth is that Bangladeshi's (Hindu and Muslim) who illegally migrate into 'seven sister' Indian states, do so for economic reasons. I think people against these new laws should make this point, as it would then expose his intellectual neatness as a total fallacy.
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Unfortunately people are so blinded and will take few odd incidents to add value to their argument and paint everything as same to suit their agenda.
There are many videos of train, train track vandalised, buses burnt, police excess, violence against police etc but media highlights and pick on incidents which gives trp value. One incident where a BJP miscreant had wore skull cap as evidence for all done by BJP. One video where two policeman beats two wheeler with lathis as policeman are the ones who is vandalising in whole of India.
Painting violence only in BJP rules States are just agenda. Section 144 is implemented in almost all districts of MP ruled by Congress after violence broke. In WB, police looked other way when violence broke. There are videos of vandalizers discussing where next to burn as police wont stop them. In Bihar bandh RJD goons use violence to bring the state to halt. The list goes on.
CAA does not affect Indian Muslims. Some fear that combination of CAA+NRC will trouble Indian Muslims. It is yet to be seen whether this fear is valid or not depending on NRC criteria which is not yet known. Instead the fear mongering takes precedence and people are incited to protest. Most do protest or vandalise without any idea of why they are doing it. Many who has vested political interests makes use of it for their agenda. Whoever involving in violence and destroying public property should be dealt with strong arm of the law.
You think BJP will overturn her in West Bengal? I'd say her reaction is making her into iconic status.
There's a lot of confusion among people blinding defending it as well. Pretty much everybody I've spoken to understands that it's the NRC (soon to be brought PAN India) together with the discriminatory CAA (in itself without the help of another law) that represents a rather pathetic agenda of the BJP.
Yeah. Doh @ me!
What are the common reasons that 'educated' or even 'stupid' people hate Muslims for?
What have Muslims done to generate such hatred from their fellow citizens?
Are they (Hindus/Sikhs) facing discrimination? Is it really on religious grounds? Why is religion even relevant here and not merely persecution on any grounds? How the feck does one prove that they're persecuted on religious grounds and would the government even care to investigate that? And most importantly, how is discrimination /persecution faced by Muslims in Pakistan (Shias, Ahmadiyas etc) on the basis of their religious beliefs not the same thing that would be faced by these supposedly persecuted Hindus?
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Well, India has a long history of hatred/dispute between communities - British divide and rule, Pakistan and partition, poverty, religion being prominant etc
But of course BJP is fanning these flames and not just bringing bigotry out of the closet but promoting it.
Thats a very informative interview - thanks for sharing.
- The telco and smartphone push in India has been the most aggressive on the planet, to the extent that every citizen has access to one now. It must be very easy for people to get truthful news? So surely its counter productive for MSM to publish biased reporting. Unless, they are under strong blackmail from BJP?
- I read that Mamata has announced daily protests until New Year, and that other states are planning similar?
- What chance do you think this could turn into an 'arab spring' or 'Thai Red shirt' type situation?
- Citizenship is the most emotive subject a country can engage in and will require every person to think deeply about the moral compass. I can see Police and Army quickly becoming disillusioned about beating up their fellow patriots over citizenship. Is there a scenario that the people will try to overthrow the Modi Government?
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Then you should be protesting to make the CAA inclusive of Ahmadiyas etc, not against the act as a whole. Simple fact, there are camps of refugees from Pakistan who haven't been getting citizenship for decades, they're celebrating the bill. So its a win for me. Now if the muslims want to make some paranoid story about how CAA + NRC is some insidious move to deny them against citizenship then thats their problem.
I believe that nothing will come off this NRC just like nothing came from demo, or the NRC in Assam. Its all much of a muchness. Politicians doing some politicking and people losing their collective heads over it.
So all exercise is futile and a waste of money? Hmmm
What were the losses from demonetisation again? What is the amount that will be spent for CAA+NRC?
I know India's history well as its been a lifelong fascination for me.
I was asking when pushed what are the specific reasons. In, UK, when you push Brexit supporting folk about why they hate EU and other immigrants, their reasons are quickly debunked.
As expected, a response drenched in vagueness and agenda with little by way of any sense to counter my questions.
Protest inclusion of Ahmadiyas and not the whole act
I mean do you realise how little sense that makes? By excluding Muslims in your convenient little exemption it is inherently a discriminatory law, which people are protesting against (alongwith the BJPs intentions to bring in pan India NRC). I don't see the problem? What are they supposed to say - thanks for not making the whole act bigoted, BJP, but pretty please change that one really important bigoted part?!A lot of negative came of both NRC and demonotisation particularly the latter. It's a rubbish decision that made a mockery of our economy for one, not to mention the hassle and pain it caused the common man.
He probably means in terms of BJPs vote share which I imagine is of great importance.
Then why ask? Because you would clearly know that there is a long inglorious record of Islamic persecution of Hindus in the subcontinent so why ask? Within living memory alone there is the state sanctioned murder of millions in 1971 and the exodus of the Kashmiri Pandits. Add the legacy of partition and wing obscurantism that simply refuses to acknowledge this history, the BJP uses this relentlessly as evidence of bias against Hindus and you'll get what we have today.
I can give you one thousand reasons why the EU is a terrible organisation. Care to listen?
The BJP voteshare is intact. We had this same 'not in my name' bullshit even during their last term, didn't make an iota of difference.
Yeah, that’s not happening when you start asking people to prove their citizenship.
No. Actually I don't know about that in India.
So I'll ask again? What specific reasons do Muslim hating Hindu's provide for their hatred?
In other news:
Don't even know where to start with this story. Though it's heartening to know that BJP couldn't buy off the judges in this case. Wish the same was true for Amit Shah.
Detailed report: https://www.telegraphindia.com/indi...singh-sengar/cid/1728980?ref=india_india-page
Don't even know where to start with this story. Though it's heartening to know that BJP couldn't buy off the judges in this case. Wish the same was true for Amit Shah.
Detailed report: https://www.telegraphindia.com/indi...singh-sengar/cid/1728980?ref=india_india-page
Sorry but I don't care. Any regular citizen who uses "we" for an Indian political party isn't worth bothering with.
Right wingers supporting immigrants. Left wingers against it.
Of course that's because this act is biased on basis of religion and nothing else! If people refuse to see this, they are just being thick
Of course that's because this act is biased on basis of religion and nothing else! If people refuse to see this, they are just being thick
I see grammar is not your forte.
I can't speak for the Muslim hating hindu part. All I can say is don't see the ones who support the law as sanghi or one's who oppose are sickular. There are people who has ideas in between as well.
We been educated/brought up thinking all Indians are brothers and sisters incl anyone from any religion. The issue here is not Indian Muslims but illegal immigration from Pakistan/Bangladesh. In India most don't believe in 2 nation theory. I can understand that not all non Muslim migrants are persecuted, there are economic migrants as well. We can't allow every economic migrant to get easy citizenship. The issue here is why do we need to judge/allow the Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslims who divided separate nation based on religion to get access to easy Indian citizenship. If you are so concerned, join your country with India. You can't have both.
Sending back non Muslim illegal migrants is a dilemma whether they are persecuted or economic migrants. Please don't bring Muslims are persecuted in Bangladesh/Pakistan. Then why the country even exists or created in the name of religion. Ask for separate country there.
Hate may be a stronger word. We just don't like Pakistanis / Bangladeshis who divided our country. I have good friends from those 2 countries. There is no hate involved in individuals. Just as a country we don't like their ideology and it manifests into these. It's a love/hate relationship.
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Nothing seems to be yours.