If as has been rumoured Rooney wishes to leave United for Chelsea...

Would a swap deal involving Mata gain your support despite Chelsea being a domestic rival?

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The Neviller said:
Vidic, the best centre back in England and arguably in Europe, was injured for a substantial spell of the season. Comparable? Anyone is comparable, but the comparison doesn't favour Chelsea, particularly when you compare centre backs.

If your team/players are comparable to ours, why did you win 14 points less than us?
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Thin squad, managerial upheaval and questionable management. It won't be a 14 point gap next season.

As for Vidic being injured, point taken - but there are claims above that your central defensive reserves are better than our starters - a very far fetched claim when you see that we conceded 4 less league goals than you.
 
JP77 said:
You do realise the point of this entire topic is swapping Mata for Rooney?

As I've already said, Rooney is one of the most important players we've had over his period under us. I wouldn't ever be swapping him for somebody who isn't going to come in and offer something similar. And of course I also wouldn't be swapping him for somebody who isn't as good as him.
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In my opinion Mata would be more effective, for a longer period of time.

As an aside - when was the last time Rooney had a really great season not as a "number 9", the position we currently have arguably the best in the world currently in RVP.

It seems that over 70% agree too.
 
TheRisingSun said:
Thin squad, managerial upheaval and questionable management. It won't be a 14 point gap next season.

As for Vidic being injured, point taken - but there are claims above that your central defensive reserves are better than our starters - a very far fetched claim when you see that we conceded 4 less league goals than you.
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Nope.........it wont.




It will be 20
 
finneh said:
In my opinion Mata would be more effective, for a longer period of time.

As an aside - when was the last time Rooney had a really great season not as a "number 9", the position we currently have arguably the best in the world currently in RVP.

It seems that over 70% agree too.
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Short memories, eh?

The last time he had a really great season as a CF was the last time he had the position to himself - 11/12.
 
Rooney to Chelsea is a scary prospect. Don't think I would replace him with any player in their squad.

If the choice is between - Rooney stay here or be sold to a domestic rival - I would happily have him here and forget that this is the second time he had asked to leave.
 
Feed Me said:
Short memories, eh?

The last time he had a really great season as a CF was the last time he had the position to himself - 11/12.
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A season where his goals to game ratio was greater than that of RVP's at Arsenal and RVP at United. But we have to ignore that because it doesn't fit in with the theory that Rooney has been shite for 3 years
 
Feed Me said:
Short memories, eh?

The last time he had a really great season as a CF was the last time he had the position to himself - 11/12.
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Really short memories.

The last time Rooney had a non-number 9 position to himself, as was the question asked, was 2012/2013
 
finneh said:
In my opinion Mata would be more effective, for a longer period of time.

As an aside - when was the last time Rooney had a really great season not as a "number 9", the position we currently have arguably the best in the world currently in RVP.

It seems that over 70% agree too.
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Read please.
 
Second half of 10/11 where he perhaps played the best football of his career
 
akash02 said:
Second half of 10/11 where he perhaps played the best football of his career
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My memory is quite poor... but wasn't Rooney pretty average for the entirety of that season (particularly poor early on)? I remember Nani having a great season, as well as our defenders being immense and also remember Berbatov having an impressive start but fading and Hernandez being great as Berbatov faded. However I genuinely can't remember Rooney doing a great deal.

Come to think of it I remember a maybe 4-5 games later on where he was up top alone and scoring quite freely, but not that many as Hernandez had a good run in the team.

Maybe others can correct me but was Rooney one of our best 5-6 players that season, particularly behind the striker? I thought it was one of his least impressive for the club.
 
finneh said:
My memory is quite poor... but wasn't Rooney pretty average for the entirety of that season (particularly poor early on)? I remember Nani having a great season, as well as our defenders being immense and also remember Berbatov having an impressive start but fading and Hernandez being great as Berbatov faded. However I genuinely can't remember Rooney doing a great deal.

Come to think of it I remember a maybe 4-5 games later on where he was up top alone and scoring quite freely, but not that many as Hernandez had a good run in the team.

Maybe others can correct me but was Rooney one of our best 5-6 players that season, particularly behind the striker? I thought it was one of his least impressive for the club.
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His first half of the season was fairly awful but from around February onwards he was pivotal in us winning the title and stepped up his game. It wasn't one of his best seasons, but those few months were arguably some of his best overall play of his career. He scored plenty of goals but often played in behind Hernandez and put in a number of great performances. He certainly did a "great deal" in that spell, although was very poor in the early stages of the season.
 
For what it's worth as a Chelsea fan, I don't want him. He's 27, on 250k a week and doesn't look after himself particularly well by all accounts. He already looks like he's carrying a bit of timber and has definitely lost a yard of pace from his younger days. I can't see him being a Giggs type into his 30's.

His wages are already grotesque and he wouldn't be looking to take a pay cut. I think there's better value to be had elsewhere in this market, than a player who could well be on the decline to his conditioning without much re-sell value.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I think he is. Offers much more than Mata all over the pitch helping out his team and is just as good in a creative sense.
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Does he though? Besides being more competent up front as an out and out striker, a position that's not really a problem for us, I don't think he particularly offers a lot more than Mata. They're incredibly different players, with Mata perhaps being more intricate and skillful, while Rooney is more direct, however I don't really think Rooney offers too much more than Mata besides being a striker.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I think he is. Offers much more than Mata all over the pitch helping out his team and is just as good in a creative sense.
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If you're talking about last season and even the season before, then the only he thing he offers more than mata all over the pitch is his poor touch and uninterested attitude. Also he's 'creativity' that people seem to talk about only involves spreading the ball out to the wingers. Mata was one of the best players in the league last season (beside RVP, Bale and Carrick). Rooney was nowhere near that.
 
Cheesy said:
Does he though? Besides being more competent up front as an out and out striker, a position that's not really a problem for us, I don't think he particularly offers a lot more than Mata. They're incredibly different players, with Mata perhaps being more intricate and skillful, while Rooney is more direct, however I don't really think Rooney offers too much more than Mata besides being a striker.
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Bear in mind cheesy that my first comment on this matter was;

Irwynwastheking said:
Rooney is a far better player than Mata, but as to which our current squad needs more it's not so clear.
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...so in a sense I'm not disagreeing with you. I do though feel Rooney is a better player all round and if I was picking an eleven team from scratch I'd have Rooney's best before Mata's. That said, Mata could be more what we need though given the abundance of forwards we have at the club.
 
Freak said:
If you're talking about last season and even the season before, then the only he thing he offers more than mata all over the pitch is his poor touch and uninterested attitude. Also he's 'creativity' that people seem to talk about only involves spreading the ball out to the wingers. Mata was one of the best players in the league last season (beside RVP, Bale and Carrick). Rooney was nowhere near that.
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And yet uncreative rooney contributed via goal or assist to precisely one goal less than Mata (23 against 24)and eight more than any other United player not named Van Persie.

He played 9 games less than mata by the way.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
And yet uncreative rooney contributed via goal or assist to precisely one goal less than Mata (23 against 24)and eight more than any other United player not named Van Persie.

He played 9 games less than mata by the way.
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You could argue that that stat is not a good indicator, considering to get an assist, you need the goalscorer to take the chance. We had far better finishers up top than Chelsea had. Based on what I saw, Mata's passing and vision to create chances in tight situations were far better than Rooney's, hence more creative.

Edit: Chances created is a better indicator. Take a look here: http://www.eplindex.com/32230/santi-cazorla-juan-mata-201213-stats.html ..Rooney's nowhere to be seen in those charts. On a side note, we should sign Leighton Baines up.
 
100 said:
There's absolutely no chance of us getting Mata.
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Liam147 said:
Mata for Rooney? Not a chance of it happening, but why wouldn't you swap a superior, younger footballer, for an older, inferior one? Domestic rival or not, we'd be getting the better deal. I'd probably give them £10m/£15m too.
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akash02 said:
Another Rooney thread...

And yeah a Mata/Rooney swap is obviously very likely to happen:rolleyes:
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Varun_Utd said:
Rooney+15mil for Mata? You think Chelsea are run by retards?

And Mata would be a big upgrade on Nani. No equality there. Nani at his best is his equal in quality but Mata produces the good on a much more regular level.

EDIT- Dont think I got you right. You mean Rooney+15mil for Mata or Mata+15mil for Rooney?
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That'sHernandez said:
Bit of a stupid thread really. If Rooney is to leave for Chelsea, they're buying him to improve their squad so swapping him for one of their best players seems a bit counter productive to that.
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Cheesy said:
If anyone thinks Mata is worth £15m less than Rooney at the moment then they need their head checked. We'd probably have to pay them some extra money if we wanted Mata considering how good he was last season in comparison to Rooney. He'd be a massive improvement on Nani as well.
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Some interesting posts on the first page alone. Who thought this could actually be happening? Is this real life?
 
Mata plus £10m?? we should be biting their hands off!!

Cant believe we rejected that, if true.
 
No one knows if a part exchange deal was offered and if so, who was involved. I reckon it's complete bollocks - we aren't that stupid. I would make Mata worth more than Rooney in today's market - more productive, more professional, more potential and younger.
 
It won't have been Mata, not even Chelsea are that stupid. It'll have been Luiz who was offered if anyone but when was the last time a player exchange + cash transfer happened? Gallas / Cole is perhaps the last one I can remember so it is possible but unlikely.

If it was a choice between Fellaini and Luiz who would it be?
 
It's the leading story on BBC, safe to assume it's true. They aren't sure whether it was Mata or Luiz who was offered to us though. Luiz makes more sense from Chelsea's point of view, but less so from ours.
 
I read the story as "Mata or Luiz" i.e. take your pick. I still think sending Rooney to Chelsea could be the decider in the title race, but if we could somehow add Mata it has the potential to be a decent deal.
 
kps88 said:
It's the leading story on BBC, safe to assume it's true. They aren't sure whether it was Mata or Luiz who was offered to us though. Luiz makes more sense from Chelsea's point of view, but less so from ours.
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Can't have been Luiz. We're Manchester United, we would have bitten their hands off if they had offered us a CB.
 
It's pretty crazy that there's a small chance we could be lining up with Mata, Fabregas and van Persie next season
 
If they offer us £5m more plus Mata, I'd be surprised if we rejected that.
Mata, in my opinion, is a quality player and if Rooney doesn't want to be with us then let's get the best deal we can and I think Mata is a bloody good deal!
 
Why would we reject Mata? Why? Because no such a deal exists in my opinion. It won't have been Mata, it will have been someone else...

That is the only rational, logical way of looking at this.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Why would we reject Mata? Why? Because no such a deal exists in my opinion. It won't have been Mata, it will have been someone else...

That is the only rational, logical way of looking at this.
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We can accept Mata now that we've bid for Fabregas, that would make us look silly.
 
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