I think we're past looking silly by now, don't you think?
If as has been rumoured Rooney wishes to leave United for Chelsea...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I think we're past looking silly by now, don't you think?
Mata + Cash for Rooney is a figment of some journo muppet's imagination.
As has been mentioned many times, the BBC and Associated Press do not run stories based on rumour and speculation.
He only accepts Mercedes and RR, hope you have a new and exiting model ;-)
if we have turned down 10m plus mata for rooney i will yell at the next cat i see in a tree.
Stick him in a big parcel, send it to the post office addressed : Return to sender. Open at own risk.
If this is true, it's crazy. I still believe that it was Luiz who has been offered, not Mata. It is the only way this makes sense and somehow journos have been mistaken.
Read what the BBC have written...
"Chelsea are understood to have offered £10m in cash plus a player, thought to be either Juan Mata or David Luiz"
'Understood' and 'thought to be' are completely non-committal. That there has been a bid I do not doubt.
Same here, which makes some sense considering Jose apparently doesn't rate either of them. Not entirely sure how much Rooney would improve Chelsea really. He's a special player on his day no doubt, but if they don't get him I expect them to sign a(nother) top-class striker anyway. Also can't help but wonder how many years on the top Rooney has left - he only turns 28 in October, but his "professionalism" hasn't really helped him and I don't know how much longer he'll stay on top of his physical fitness and once that starts dropping he'll decline rather quickly I think. Of course he might also be invigorated by a switch and suddenly take his career seriously and go up another level. No one knows really, but one thing seems certain by now; as long as he's at United he won't change his attitude, and because of that I don't think he'll improve. This means he'll largely be a backup (as Moyes already said) next season for when RvP (or Kagawa, I guess) need a rest. Should we hold on to Rooney just to prevent him going to Chelsea? If we can get a player like Mata (any cash is just a bonus IMO) in exchange for him I don't think so.
I really do not hope the club is still desperate for Rooney to stay despite all he's done. We needed him to stay when he handed in the first transfer request, but things have changed a lot and it's time he fecked off now. I can only hope the club turned down the offer because they expect Chelsea to come back with more money, which isn't completely out of the question given Jose's admiration for Rooney. Dangerous game though, and if it was me (and the story about Chelsea offering £10m + Mata is true, of course) I'd take it right away.
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Chelsea offered David Luiz or Juan Mata plus £10m. United flaty rejected it. Chelsea will come back with another bid, however.
@eocine Jonathan, I promise you this is correct
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@FootieWriter, or whatever your name is, stop embarassing yourself. Story is correct. 100% correct. You're 100% wrong. Troll someone else.
If we've turned down 10 mil + Mata for Rooney then that's scandalous.
If they come back with a bigger offer and we get more than 10 mil + Mata I'm going to piss myself laughing.
If they come back with a bigger offer and we get more than 10 mil + Mata I'm going to piss myself laughing.
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Chelsea offered David Luiz or Juan Mata plus £10m. United flaty rejected it. Chelsea will come back with another bid, however.
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@eocine Jonathan, I promise you this is correct
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@FootieWriter, or whatever your name is, stop embarassing yourself. Story is correct. 100% correct. You're 100% wrong. Troll someone else.
Then why doesn't his story on the BBC site treat is as a fact if he is so sure?
Mata plus Cash for Rooney?
Let me wrap and send Wayne myself.
Let me wrap and send Wayne myself.
Who though?
Lewandowski has said that he's staying at Dortmund. Jose didn't rate Higuain enough to warrant a hijacking of the move to Arsenal. Falcao, Cavani, Tevez, Llorente have all moved.
Bear in mind you're looking for the kind of forward that Mourinho likes to use - big, strong, willing to put a shift in, can hold the ball up, good finisher - a Drogba or Milito type, and the kind of player that he spent a few transfer windows trying to get in at Madrid. These are characteristics that Rooney possesses when he plays as the furthest forward striker.
The only plausible alternative is Suarez, who admittedly plays as a different kind of centre forward but can still operate up top on his own. The issue there is that the cash amount would have to be larger, as Mata/Luiz wouldn't want to go there.
Thats all well and good, apart from the fact his first touch is horrible and he cannot hold the ball up for shit.
Mata clearly doesn't fit into Mourinho's plans.
He may not fit into Moyes' either.
He may not fit into Moyes' either.
Yep. Unless its complete bollocks (likely) or we think we can get more before accepting then we would be stupid to turn that down, Mata would be a fantastic signing.
That poll at the top of the page needs to be opened again!
I agree generally, though I'd imagine the motivation behind this bid 09/10 when he played up front on his own for most of the season and was very good.
Mata and Fabregas in and Rooney out for a net spend of 21 million pounds?! If that happens it would be United's best piece of business in a transfer window ever.. therefore never going to happen 
They mightn't come back with an offer with Mata included.
At the person who said "15 million and Mata for Rooney? Chelsea aren't run by retards"Looks like they are if this was true! Apparently we are also run by retards if we rejected it though.
Pfffffft...... some journo logged on here, saw the results of the poll and saw a quick way to get max exposure.
In that case, change the plans.
I wouldn't be surprised at all.
And those saying that "it's clear that Mata isn't wanted at Chelsea" are talking bollocks. It was a rumour started by the Spanish press to get at Mourinho, one which has been dispelled a couple of times, including yesterday when Mourinho was effusing about him and saying that he's our only left footed attacker and as such is integral to our plans.
So now they'll be stuck with a player unhappy that he's been offered. They're clearly trying to get rid now for some reason
Why the feck is Jose trying to dispose of Mata? It's unbelievable.
Mata + £10m sounds great but I'm just not sure how we'd use Mata. I rate him extremely highly but I just find this whole thing to be completely bizarre.
Mata + £10m sounds great but I'm just not sure how we'd use Mata. I rate him extremely highly but I just find this whole thing to be completely bizarre.
Firstly, i would like to welcome Roman Abramovich to the Caf. As well as Mata we might also be interested n hiring one of his yacht.
Like others i have to assume that it was Luiz + cash or that if they offered Mata the deal was in some way different the BBC's claims, otherwise i really don't see why we'd reject that offer out of hand. It's no often that such mutually beneficial transfers preent themselves after all.
As well as Mata we might also be interested n hiring one of his yacht.Like others i have to assume that it was Luiz + cash or that if they offered Mata the deal was in some way different the BBC's claims, otherwise i really don't see why we'd reject that offer out of hand. It's no often that such mutually beneficial transfers preent themselves after all.
Big IF, but, IF the reports are true then I guess its a case of Chelsea needing Rooney more than we need Mata. Its not as if there's no prior when it comes to Roman overspending to get a new toy.
I'm also sure Maureen will be eager to bring in a big name, and having missed out on Falcao & Cavani, and with Neymar never an option and Lewandoski Bayern bound, options are limited.
Or maybe Utd genuinely aren't going to sell.
If I were a betting man I'd say Rooney will be at Chelsea next season, but for it to happen I think the fee will have to be much bigger. If we can include Mata, which I doubt really, it seems too far fetched, then great.
I'm also sure Maureen will be eager to bring in a big name, and having missed out on Falcao & Cavani, and with Neymar never an option and Lewandoski Bayern bound, options are limited.
Or maybe Utd genuinely aren't going to sell.
If I were a betting man I'd say Rooney will be at Chelsea next season, but for it to happen I think the fee will have to be much bigger. If we can include Mata, which I doubt really, it seems too far fetched, then great.
I can run him down there in my Mercedes if that's any help? It's not a new model, but does have an iPod connection so he can play Westlife or Stereophonics or whatever he listens to on the way down there.
If this were true, I'd snap it up without a second thought. Mata is one of the best players in the league. I'd take a direct swap, never mind a cash + Mata deal, and I'm a Rooney fan.
I'd be surprised if he was trying to get rid of him, the only thing I can think is that he's not keen to play the three of him, oscar and hazard and he'd rather take the hit and lose one of them for a striker. He's always been quite defensive and he likes work rate, out of the three of them I'd say Mata is the one I leasy see trying to get stuck in.
As for selling Rooney, at the end of the day it sounds like we're not fussed if he goes and so I don't really agree with all this completing Chelsea's team thing. We moved him in to a deeper role again because we didn't think he was playing well enough to lead the line and Chelsea have the cash to buy another top striker if they need so if we can get the best deal for us then that's all I care about. Personally think Mata would be a great trade off, if they're desperate and we get some cash even better. Mata can get us goals which is one of the problems I'd be concerned about if we let Rooney go and tried to promote others and gives us another top option for the the number ten role or attacking from a wider position. Sell Young, keep Nani and get in a midfielder or two and the team is looking very good to me. In an idea world I'd like to start fresh with Rooney again but doesn't look like that will happen, but this is a pretty good alternative.
As for selling Rooney, at the end of the day it sounds like we're not fussed if he goes and so I don't really agree with all this completing Chelsea's team thing. We moved him in to a deeper role again because we didn't think he was playing well enough to lead the line and Chelsea have the cash to buy another top striker if they need so if we can get the best deal for us then that's all I care about. Personally think Mata would be a great trade off, if they're desperate and we get some cash even better. Mata can get us goals which is one of the problems I'd be concerned about if we let Rooney go and tried to promote others and gives us another top option for the the number ten role or attacking from a wider position. Sell Young, keep Nani and get in a midfielder or two and the team is looking very good to me. In an idea world I'd like to start fresh with Rooney again but doesn't look like that will happen, but this is a pretty good alternative.
That's what I think it is. In the grand scheme of things, considering both teams, Chelsea is crying out for a striker and Rooney is their last real option to really improve and get a world class forward in. They are stocked with attacking midfielders and wingers though, so even though losing Mata would hurt, it wouldn't be too bad for them and overall they'd improve a lot still.
Mata to United would be more or less a direct replacement for Wayne, except much better on the left wing for us. It'd be a minor improvement if you will. Probably why I think we'd be holding out for more money.
However, since Rooney is likely to leave anyway, we could end up without Rooney and no player available ready to replace him if we look for cash only.
This simply cannot be true. It would be outrageous for Chelsea to offer such a deal and unfathomable for United not to accept it.
This Mata story has been in the background for ages. Not surprised if that was the case. Plus there not stupid they want Rooney and know we are not going to sell to out closet rivals. So in their eyes Mata is a good bargaining tool hence the mixed responses on here. I would have rejected it though, they've played their hand time to up their bid.
Chelsea have denied the player plus cash swap.
United have now made me angry and confused as well.