If as has been rumoured Rooney wishes to leave United for Chelsea...

Would a swap deal involving Mata gain your support despite Chelsea being a domestic rival?

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Castia said:
Shit really, I didn't realize that.

Its not so much the straight swap deal between the 2 that bothers me it's when people are talking about adding £15m along with Rooney (who's worth between 30-35m easily) making Mata's value reach around the £50m mark. Not a fecking chance he's worth anywhere near that figure.
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If you did, perhaps you shouldnt add a "Rooney isnt shit" in every post of yours as it makes little sense.

Regarding your point, transfer fees are dependent on quite a few factors. Simply saying Rooney's worth 35mil but Mata isnt worth 50mil doesnt mean anything. It all depends on the needs of the buyer. Someone like Real would pay 35mil for Rooney as they need top quality upfront, doubt they'd pay even 35mil for Mata considering they already have Ozil. Similarly, a club like Monaco/PSG would value a player of Mata's ilk more than Rooney as they have genuine top quality upfront already. Or say a Liverpool if Suarez didnt want to leave.

A 15mil+Rooney deal for Mata wouldnt make sense for us though, that I agree with. With his head in the right place, he's worth more than Mata for us given we already have someone like Kagawa in the team.
 
Voted for the swap deal but it should be kept in mind that despite this being one of Rooney's worst seasons and definitely being Mata's best, they weren't that far off in terms of productivity. Keep in mind that Rooney was played all over the pitch.
 
Rooney is a player that will guarantee you 25 goals a season (either directly or through assists). Despite that would take Mata in a heartbeat.
 
Castia said:
Rooney is being judged a lot on last season though, a year where he's played 2-3 different positions and sacrificed his game a lot for the sake of the team. An in form Rooney is a much better player than Mata without a doubt, the key is getting his form back and playing him in a proper position.
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And the season before. He was better, but still hit and miss. This season he hasn't been very good, I wouldn't say he's played 'different' positions, nor would I say he's sacrificed a lot of his game. Sure he's had to take an auxiliary role, but he's played as the second striker a lot before Ronaldo left. It's hardly an alien role to him.

And there's no way an in form Rooney is better than Mata 'without a doubt'. Even if that is true, what is an in form Rooney? 2010? It's like the Nani argument. "Oh on his day he's..." what? On his day he's... really good? When is this day we keep hearing about?
 
I'd rather push him at Barca for a small amount and Sanchez.
 
It would be a strange move because someone like mata would help us immensely and Rooney would be perfect forchelsea. Both players would really improve the other side.
 
I agree in terms of improving the team I would swap them but giving them Rooney poor season or not is something that irks me for some reason. I would hate seeing him smash in goals for a Chelsea. Mata is flexible he can play anywhere behind the striker in an attacking midfield 3.
 
Liam147 said:
Interesting use of statistics.
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Could you explain what you mean.

Are the statictics incorrect? Are mata and rooney not just 1 goal apart on combined goals/assists?

What are you trying to say?

Or could it be you jumped on the 'Rooney was rubbish last season' bandwagon without even being aware of his contribution (only VP was more productive for us, and chica was 10 behind, no one else in the team was even half Rooney's score) , and now you look like a fecking plank.
 
I seem to be in a minority that i'd prefer to keep Rooney over any swap for Mata.

I can see Mata having a "Silva-esque" season this year.

And what's all this Mata would replace Nani business! Different positions entirely!
 
Obviously. If Mata wanted to be here and Rooney does not it should be a no brainer. Doubt this kind of deal will be on the table though
 
Why are people so obsessed with swap deals?

I sometimes think people have confused real life football with those panini sticker books everyone used to have in Primary school.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Could you explain what you mean.

Are the statictics incorrect? Are mata and rooney not just 1 goal apart on combined goals/assists?

What are you trying to say?

Or could it be you jumped on the 'Rooney was rubbish last season' bandwagon without even being aware of his contribution (only VP was more productive for us, and chica was 10 behind, no one else in the team was even half Rooney's score) , and now you look like a fecking plank.
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Or perhaps that there are things to be understood in football beyond the statistics. Rooney wasnt his influential self for us while Mata ran the show for Chelsea all season long. He was right up there with RVP, Suarez and Bale as the 4 best players in the league last season. Numbers or not, Rooney didnt even come close in terms of quality last year.


Bear Attack said:
Chelsea's best player for a United no show? Yes, please.
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Calling him a no show is really stretching it mate.
 
Everyone knows how good Rooney can be. But Rooney's on the way downwards and if last season serves as any prediction whatsoever, there is no reason why we shouldn't take this hypothetical deal. Mata has been consistently threatening since he joined the Chavs while our Wayne has been consistently pants save the odd one-off performance where when he feels like showing up.
 
noodlehair said:
Why are people so obsessed with swap deals?

I sometimes think people have confused real life football with those panini sticker books everyone used to have in Primary school.
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Been playing too much Footy manager :)

How many high profile player swaps do we ever see!
 
Still want Rooney to come back and get his head right, don't like players who have given me such highs to leave on a low. Could be a great season if we finally sign a cm to go with the squad we already have.I hope Wayne is part of that. Plus what if RVP got an injury?
 
Then we have Hernandez and Welbeck eager to take the opportunity to shine.
 
If RVP gets injured we'll still have plenty of strikers who want to play for the club and will give 100%
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Could you explain what you mean.

Are the statictics incorrect? Are mata and rooney not just 1 goal apart on combined goals/assists?

What are you trying to say?

Or could it be you jumped on the 'Rooney was rubbish last season' bandwagon without even being aware of his contribution (only VP was more productive for us, and chica was 10 behind, no one else in the team was even half Rooney's score) , and now you look like a fecking plank.
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They're probably correct; I didn't bother checking them. Interesting how you use statistics to seemingly prove a point. Most United fans will accept two things: Rooney wasn't at his best last season (it's questionable as to whether he has for the past three seasons), and that Mata was clearly better than Rooney last season. He ran the show for Chelsea. If they had a proper frontline and more organisation in defence they'd never have been challenging for fourth and the Europa League. Basically what Varun said.
 
This poll title is confusing. Shouldn't it be '
Would a swap deal involving Mata gain your support because Chelsea are a domestic rival?


It would weaken us substantially given that Mata is our best creative player and player in general and young, whereas United still have top quality strikers without Rooney, and hes not exactly at his peak anymore.
 
Can we swap Rooney and Moyes for Mata and Mourinho. We'll give them eurodollars80billion as well. And we can swap Ken Bates for Martin Edwards while we're at it.

We could maybe even move to London and let them come up here. Be closer for our fans to get to matches and what-not. Have they anything else we'd want? It's a pity Rafa isn't still there, we could swap our tea lady for him.
 
Not sure what the point in this thread is really when the conversation is going well enough in the Rooney mega thread.
 
Judging from his last 4 seasons rooney is due 34 goals this season, always seems to score loads when a tournament is coming up
 
sammsky1 said:
Rooney +15m please. Would be very happy as Mata would be an equal to Nani
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You are joking, aren't you?

Nani is not fit to even be mentioned in the same breath as Mata. One glance at their respective goals and assists will tell you why.
 
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