ICC champions trophy.

76 off 60 is very doable with 7 wickets in hand. Broad's 4 overs will be a problem for England, as will be Bopara's last. That's 5 overs right there for Lankans to attack
 
Gaviskar saying it was a stupid call :lol:

Great knock, not sure England have done that much run apart from the missed run out.

Two quality innings. Good match/
 
They could have bowled better..especially Broad.
 
This is quality batting. Fantastic stuff.
 
Gaviskar saying it was a stupid call :lol:

Great knock, not sure England have done that much run apart from the missed run out.

Two quality innings. Good match/

Needed 300 + here. Lost too many wickets in the end.

Sets up the group very well now. Eng and Srl to go through for me. I would bring back Finn in place of Broad for the next match
 
How does the net run rate work?:confused:

NewZealand barely sneaked past srilanka and have a higher run rate than India who won both their games fairly comfortably
 
We'll beat NZ, Sri Lanka will beat the Aussies.

Guptill beat us by himself in the ODI series, wont happen again ;)
 
On this display, you'd do well to beat Bangladesh.
 
What scoring a very good 293 and losing to a superb hundred from one of the best ODI players of his generation :confused:
 
Brilliant from Kulasekara & Sangakkara. Superb batting. The drive back down the ground off Broad and then one off Anderson :drool:

Group A is nicely poised. Group B can feck off.
 
What scoring a very good 293 and losing to a superb hundred from one of the best ODI players of his generation :confused:


You weren't just beat though. You got thrashed by them.
 
Nah.. I won't say they were thrashed.

I do think Eng limit themselves a bit by going too slow in the first 25. They should mix it up a bit. Have someone like Butler open with Cook perhaps. On some pitches no matter how good your bowling, you need 300+
 
7 wicket win with 3 overs to spare. That's very, very comprehensive.
 
England's batting is fine.

The problem is cowardly captaincy and an inability to keep pressure on. England's refusal to bowl yorkers removes a massive weapon for the bowler as well, Malinga shows how dangerous it is to make the batsmen have that ball in the back of his mind.

Cook needs to sit down and watch Brendan McCullum, he backs his bowlers by keeping men up and gets rewarded with wickets.

293 was a good score and should have taken the game to the final overs, but you also have to congratulate Sangakarra andKulasakarrera at the end they both played very very well.
 
How does the net run rate work?:confused:

NewZealand barely sneaked past srilanka and have a higher run rate than India who won both their games fairly comfortably


Wickets don't matter, basically Sri Lanka's run rate would have been over the whole 50, while New Zealand's whatever it actually was and divide it.
 
Sri Lanka are the one team I think that can knock us out.


Great result for them, with Kusal Perera failing again.
Chandimal can slot in as opener and he's a good technician -- which is needed herewith 2 new balls and has opened in the past.

This will open up another slot down the order.
 
England's batting is fine.

The problem is cowardly captaincy and an inability to keep pressure on. England's refusal to bowl yorkers removes a massive weapon for the bowler as well, Malinga shows how dangerous it is to make the batsmen have that ball in the back of his mind.

Cook needs to sit down and watch Brendan McCullum, he backs his bowlers by keeping men up and gets rewarded with wickets.

293 was a good score and should have taken the game to the final overs, but you also have to congratulate Sangakarra andKulasakarrera at the end they both played very very well.

I don;t think England's batting is fine.

Top 3 are stodgy players and you are relying heavily on the lower order to come good.
 
I don;t think England's batting is fine.

Top 3 are stodgy players and you are relying heavily on the lower order to come good.

England's top 3 want to score somewhere between a strike rate of 90 and 100. The plan is to build until the 35th and then go for 8+ an over. That's a reflection of the two new balls at the start of the innings and the way the team wants to play, not the individuals.

To put it into context, Trott has the 3rd highest average (Root 2nd, who I'm tempted to discount because he's not played anywhere near as many games as others) of current ODI players at a strike rate of 76. Kohli who is considered one of the best ODI players around scores at 86 and so does Pietersen both at lower averages. That's not a massive difference in strike rate and we all know that if Trott does get to his average he will be scoring closer to that 90 mark. The same is true for Bell and Cook, although Bell especially got bogged down yesterday.

There's 4 current players with an average over 40 with a strike rate of 90 or above. Amla, de Villiers, Voges and Starc (!), it's just not reasonable to expect England to have a solid top order and score any faster than they currently do. There's very few players in world cricket that can do that, and England don't really have one. Pietersen will probably replace Bell when he comes back from injury, but he's currently not available so is almost irrelevant to the discussion.

If England had bowled and fielded as well as they batted they probably would have won yesterday, it's just lazy criticism to say 'England lost therefore they can't have scored enough runs'.

It's cricket, sometimes you'll lose a game, the panic stations every time England do lose one are hilarious kneejerk reactions.

The one player that I think deserves a bit of stick is Buttler who has been pretty average in all but one innings of his England ODI career so far.
 
To put it into context, Trott has the 3rd highest average (Root 2nd, who I'm tempted to discount because he's not played anywhere near as many games as others) of current ODI players at a strike rate of 76. Kohli who is considered one of the best ODI players around scores at 86 and so does Pietersen both at lower averages. That's not a massive difference in strike rate and we all know that if Trott does get to his average he will be scoring closer to that 90 mark. The same is true for Bell and Cook, although Bell especially got bogged down yesterday.

I think what you are not considering is the impact of Trott's play on his partners. There was a similar discussion in relation to Misbah a few pages back and you could apply that to Trott as well.

Nothing wrong with his innings yesterday though
 
I think what you are not considering is the impact of Trott's play on his partners. There was a similar discussion in relation to Misbah a few pages back and you could apply that to Trott as well.

Nothing wrong with his innings yesterday though


I take your point, it's a criticism I used to level at him as well. I think it's somewhat unfair now though. Trott's strike rate is never usually bad (the only player I would say guilty of a bad strike rate yesterday was Bell) and England know that their game plan is to be around about 175 runs somewhere between the 35 and 40 over so I don't think there's any real sense of panic unless they're going to miss that target massively.
 
I thought England largely played pretty well yesterday, no need for a re-think or anything on the back of that.

As it is, i do actually think the balance could be better, but yesterdays performance if anything disproved that - just the bowling didn't fire in the face of two superb innings.

We've not been a quality ODI format in my lifetime, so it's never a big surprise when we get beat.
 
Good score from SA. Unfortunately it seems rain may prevent a result.

Hope rain stays away tomorrow. However, the forecast is not good.
 
England's top 3 want to score somewhere between a strike rate of 90 and 100. The plan is to build until the 35th and then go for 8+ an over. That's a reflection of the two new balls at the start of the innings and the way the team wants to play, not the individuals.

To put it into context, Trott has the 3rd highest average (Root 2nd, who I'm tempted to discount because he's not played anywhere near as many games as others) of current ODI players at a strike rate of 76. Kohli who is considered one of the best ODI players around scores at 86 and so does Pietersen both at lower averages. That's not a massive difference in strike rate and we all know that if Trott does get to his average he will be scoring closer to that 90 mark. The same is true for Bell and Cook, although Bell especially got bogged down yesterday.

There's 4 current players with an average over 40 with a strike rate of 90 or above. Amla, de Villiers, Voges and Starc (!), it's just not reasonable to expect England to have a solid top order and score any faster than they currently do. There's very few players in world cricket that can do that, and England don't really have one. Pietersen will probably replace Bell when he comes back from injury, but he's currently not available so is almost irrelevant to the discussion.

If England had bowled and fielded as well as they batted they probably would have won yesterday, it's just lazy criticism to say 'England lost therefore they can't have scored enough runs'.

It's cricket, sometimes you'll lose a game, the panic stations every time England do lose one are hilarious kneejerk reactions.

The one player that I think deserves a bit of stick is Buttler who has been pretty average in all but one innings of his England ODI career so far.

You only reached 293 yesterday because of that last over blitz by Bopara which was an anomaly. Other wise you would have been limited to 275-280 at best. That would have been definitely under par, even Cook said yesterday that 300 was par score on that pitch so that effort was nothing special and competent at best.

293 looks a good score but with new ODI rules and flat pitches about, you need 320+ on such pitches. Sri Lanka for me were never behind in their match as soon as that Dilshan-Sanga partnership took off, that tells you that runs were no where near enough.

The top 3 are good batsmen but Eng needs to mix it up a little. All the teams are facing two new balls, yet they are able to score runs at much more brisk pace at the start than England.
 
Players going off just as Windies lost Pollard. That wicket means the game is tied on D/L.
 
Level on D/L as well. Would be so ironic if it finished this way after the events of 2003
 
Hah! For once SA get lucky. This one is defo over.. very bad way for Windies would go out. I think they were almost certain to win this one if it had gone the distance. Brain freeze by Pollard, no need for that shot with rain falling and only 41 to get off 30
 
Game over. Pollard's wicket means the game is tied on D/L and SA progress from the group due to a superior NRR. Fine margins.