Not many top clubs keep a manager for more than 5 seasons, so I don't think we should expect any different just because Sir Alex was here for so long.
I'd have Mourinho
I'd have Mourinho
Hypothetical Question: Mourinho or Pep as United Manager?
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Therein lies the challenge. I think for anyone coming in here this has to be the challenge they face upto. You don't come in here and replace SAF for 3-4 seasons. You build for the future, oversee the youth levels and impose your philosophy on the club. Taking over the mantle is exactly that, you buy into the philosophy of the club and longevity is a core aspect.
I think Pep would be a lot more likely to meet that challenge, purely because he has worked with the youth level whereas Jose has pretty much just gone from one rich club to the next. I wouldn't want him here - or Pep - if they're just going to hang around for 3-4 years. If that's the case, I'd go for Moyes, though Pep would pretty much be an outstanding candidate if he's on the same page as the club.
We've faffed around enough with manning positions on the pitch, to do so with a short-term fix for the most important position at the club would be foolish.
Moyes
Ole.
We don't need someone to come in and look to "make his mark" on the club in the short-term, or change the successful formula that Sir Alex has developed in terms of staff and facilities. Like Barca with Tito following Pep, we need someone who knows the nuts and bolts of the club to inherit it from Sir Alex to continue the momentum, and dedicate his career to taking that inheritance forward. Of the ex-players that have gone into management, not one has been praised as much by Sir Alex as Ole has been, nor spent as much time working for/observing him.
Or give it to Mike Phelen - for the same reasons as above
We don't need someone to come in and look to "make his mark" on the club in the short-term, or change the successful formula that Sir Alex has developed in terms of staff and facilities. Like Barca with Tito following Pep, we need someone who knows the nuts and bolts of the club to inherit it from Sir Alex to continue the momentum, and dedicate his career to taking that inheritance forward. Of the ex-players that have gone into management, not one has been praised as much by Sir Alex as Ole has been, nor spent as much time working for/observing him.
Or give it to Mike Phelen - for the same reasons as above
Jose only Jose no one else just Jose on his own ...
Either would be great. But I prefer Jose because he's so fecking cool.
Manchester United has an inbuilt philosophy, it doesn't need one imposing.
Is that all you took from my post? You do realise I spoke twice of philosophy with separate meanings. In the first instance I brought it up with regards to our style of play - which is liable to change, though it will probably always emphasize attacking play and flair, Pep can actually improve on that when it comes to our youth levels - the second instance I referred to our vision and history, underscoring my assumption that we will go for a long-term choice and not faff around with bridging gaps.
What we don't need is a man who doesn't have his own views and has little confidence in his own ability feeling overawed by SAF's legend status. We need a fecking top dog to come in and prove himself big time. In my view, Pep is a very tasty candidate. Moyes slightly less so, but then again, he's never had a big budget or a squad full of talent to work with...
Pep had nothing to do with the way Barca's youth system was set up, it was set up while he was still playing, he has simply noted players who are good enough to step up.
Also Pep has mentioned numerous times that he struggled with the stress of managing Barcelona and his stepping down seems to be because he was struggling with it.
If he can't handle that job how do you think he will do following up Ferguson? I'm not convinced by him at all tbh.
Also Pep has mentioned numerous times that he struggled with the stress of managing Barcelona and his stepping down seems to be because he was struggling with it.
If he can't handle that job how do you think he will do following up Ferguson? I'm not convinced by him at all tbh.
Well, I think he is more than capable of enhancing our possession game at all levels as well as helping our youth players increasing their awareness of movement - and recruiting some coaching staff who will marry parts of the Barca style to our current style (that is, when we are on it).
I actually think the Barca job is higher pressure than the United job. I think Real and Barca are as stressful as it gets. And he didn't do badly there did he? He could have needed a break for a variety of reasons - and fair play to him, get out, take a breather and figure out what you want to do. If that happens to be a decade at United, great!
Mentioning the stress of the job seems to me a bit of a fake modesty when you are the most successful manager of recent years. I don't take everything Mourinho says at face value either.
I actually think the Barca job is higher pressure than the United job. I think Real and Barca are as stressful as it gets. And he didn't do badly there did he? He could have needed a break for a variety of reasons - and fair play to him, get out, take a breather and figure out what you want to do. If that happens to be a decade at United, great!
Mentioning the stress of the job seems to me a bit of a fake modesty when you are the most successful manager of recent years. I don't take everything Mourinho says at face value either.
jose.
this guy is born to win things. and a lot of things.
this guy is born to win things. and a lot of things.
Arry's available.
Neither.
the cheeky cnut, David Moyes, rings the bell
the cheeky cnut, David Moyes, rings the bell
it only appears less stressful because Fergie has been there for 26 years. It was stressful enough pre-Fergie but with the state of today's press and media it will be ridiculous.
Managers like Pep, and Morinho would help further lift the profile of the club. Moyes is also a good shout with Ole or Neville as assistant for continuity.
What makes people think Pep would stay for a long time when he didn't at Barca, a club with which he already shared a huge connection?
As for Barca or Real being higher pressure jobs; no chance, taking over from SAF will be the highest pressure job in football for a long long time.
As for Barca or Real being higher pressure jobs; no chance, taking over from SAF will be the highest pressure job in football for a long long time.
Out of the two I'd prefer Jose. He seems to take a year to settle but always ends up getting results.
Why not someone like Jurgen Klopp, who's been a great success at Dortmund.
Out of the two though I'd prefer Jose.
Out of the two though I'd prefer Jose.
Pep is the closest to SAF in style, philosophy and sheer class. If you want a continuation of the work SAF has done then Pep is the choice. Mourinho is a talented coach but he doesn't share Manchester United's football philosophy and he doesn't have the class to manage this club.
That's complete and utter rubbish. Guardiola oversaw a major revamp of the youth setup from 2007 onwards when he was appointed manager of Barcelona reserves, at the time floundering in the lowest tier of Spanish football. He re-organised the setup of the side thus allowing a greater quota for talented La Masia graduates who could achieve good game time essential to their development. This is where players like Busquests, Pedro etc. could hone their skills before promotion to the first-team.
He completely re-structured the setup from top to bottom allowing a seamless transition in stages for players from the academy, through the B team and to the first team. It allowed graduates the chance to become familiar as a team, and to play exactly the way the first team do allowing them to bed straight in when required. He also convinced Laporta to spend big on better training facilities for La Masia. As a result Barcelona B are now in the second tier of Spanish football and players from this team can step straight into the first team and perform.
Guardiola is intrinsically bound to Barca and he has played a massive part in revolutionising the club, helping it redifine it's identity. I don't buy this bullshit that everything "was all in place for him already" and he couldn't fail to succeeed. The guy is a visionary plain and simple.
Anyone else suspect that Moyes will be the new boss, just because he'd conceivably be a cheaper option than someone more high-profile?
Nah, we won't go for a cheaper option in this case. I'm pretty sure of that, for the Glazers we're a cash cow and that's why they'll make sure that the best possible manager is available for us.
He is a lying, cheating, unethical scumbag though. Not in a million years do i want him near Utd.
Simeone looks the bollocks atm. Solksjaer, Klopp, Moyes or Guardiola would come well before Mourinho in my book.
He could be a good choice in my view, but not for the reason's you suggest. I agree with KM's take.
Guardiola could only make himself stay for four years with the club that he loves, in the city that he loves, with the best collection of players in the world, including the best player in the world, maybe even ever.
Why does anyone think he would hack it in rainy Manchester?
No doubt he did an amazing job at Barcelona but I don't want him here if he quits after a few short years
Why does anyone think he would hack it in rainy Manchester?
No doubt he did an amazing job at Barcelona but I don't want him here if he quits after a few short years
its going to be such a dam hard job, whoever comes in. Ferguson has basically built an empire with loads of varying systems throughout the structure of the club that has created a huge amount of success. For any guy new to the club, bloody hell is there going to be a steep learing curve just to get his head around it all. You kind of need someone of the same ilk as Fergie...and even though many poopoo the idea, Moyes is a very plausible candidate. He really knows the permier league on a difficult level, is obviously a dam good motivator and not a bad tactician at all.
Plus he's scottish, so the players will continue not to understand a word the united manager says....which has actually worked quite well up to now...
Plus he's scottish, so the players will continue not to understand a word the united manager says....which has actually worked quite well up to now...
I honestly think Giggs should retire asap and cut his coaching teeth. If we are looking for longevity a management team/backroom staff made up of the following Solskjaer, Giggs, Scholesy and G Neville would be ideal for the United faithful. Theres no guarantee any of them would become great managers but they were all taught by the greatest and surely one of his former proteges will make a top class manager eventually.
I have a sneaking suspicion Moyes will be high on the list, Im not sold on him as a manager he would make us hard to beat but he I dont think he would play attractive enough football.
I have a sneaking suspicion Moyes will be high on the list, Im not sold on him as a manager he would make us hard to beat but he I dont think he would play attractive enough football.
Can't see why so many are mentioning Moyes. He's had few opportunities to step up to a bigger club & not taken them so you'd have to question his ambition.
He's never won anything nor does he have experience with 'big name' players.
Pep has to be the best option, otherwise I'd rather go for Giggsy or Ole than Moyes, at least they know the philosophy of the club and are used to the 'big time'.
He's never won anything nor does he have experience with 'big name' players.
Pep has to be the best option, otherwise I'd rather go for Giggsy or Ole than Moyes, at least they know the philosophy of the club and are used to the 'big time'.
Meh I dont buy the big time thing anymore, in a time when only a select few clubs can win trophies its harder for clubs like Everton to win anything outside a CC. I still have my reservations about Moyes but he does build hard to beat teams with hardly any money, I also think he is a better spotter of talent than a former favourite for a Fergie replacement Martin O'Neill.
Solskjær.
I can't see how Pep is the best option. He had it all and quit after four years, why do you think he would stay longer here? He has proven he can do it but he definitely hasn't proven to be committed to the job long term.
Maybe it's too much to hope for the next manager to last beyond a few years but that's what Manchester United supporters will be expecting after SAF's legacy
I don't think it will be as difficult as you make out. The reason for this is down to Ferguson and the stability he has fostered within the club. Everything is neatly in place for a manager to walk in and pick up the baton. A few little tweaks may be required but United has a solid structure designed to allow the manager full control over team affairs. Even the Glazers are hands off when it comes to the management of the team. The problem will be pressure, of Fergusons shadow. But everything is in place for a new manager to succeed, that is what Ferguson is working towards. He more than anyone will want his successor to be successful.
I think it will be difficult, a few losses and the guy will be under so much pressure. Think AvB at chelsea but WORSE. This of the ABU's and the United fans who will call for his head, the financial problems that might occur. The right rigid wage rules.
The real and only choice is Mou, he's gone to big clubs and got the job done. Moyes is a bad choice. He's been stuck in Everton, not won a title, and never dealt with a title winning campaign. Doing a good job at Everton is not the same as doing a good job at Man United, where, there is a much bigger squad, huge man management skills, squad rotation for cup, league and European football. And expected to win every game (not just get into the top 6).
Pep: undecided, but his record is brilliant so far.
If the choice is between Pep & Jose, I'd rather Pep.
I wouldn't want Moyes, unless he can prove himself over the next year or 2, which means winning something significant. Significant means getting into Europe (preferably by winning the League or FA Cup) but certainly by finishing high enough in the league and winning it. Everton are the sort of '2nd string' club which wins the Europa League.
I'd still rather have Ole or Giggs than Moyes.
Dont know about the Glazers. Its one thing not interfering with SAF at the helm and totally another thing to give a new guy complete reins. Also the amount of time and freedom he'd be given if he does not settle in immediately.
Personally, i'd be happy with either of Mourinho or Pep. Not a David Moyes though.
That's my preferred option, I would love him to be successful here as manager but maybe I'm being too romantic about it. I'm giving out about people wanting Guardiola because he hasn't proven himself as a stayer but Ole hasn't really proved himself as anything yet, it's a big shame he didn't qualify for the champions league
I used to feel the same way about Steve Bruce, but that ain't going to happen.
Sure it will be difficult, football management is an unforgiving profession. But United isn't any club...its not Chelsea and there is no interfering, impatient, ruthless billionaire as an owner. United don't do knee-jerk. The new manager will be given time and patience during the transition put it that way.
Sure results are going to matter, he must deliver...but what I believe is that everything will be put in place to ensure the successor can achieve instant success. United are not a club who panic...they prepare...for the future. Things are happening right now at the highest level in the club, preparation is the key. Personally I would be delighted if Guardiola is handed the reigns. If it is Mourinho then so be it..he will deliver. Either of these two are exceptional but Guardiola for me is a better fit. Whether he is a better manager than Jose is a different matter, but I don't think either will have any problems achieving success post Ferguson.
The value of a manager is so immense, the lad who said that we'll go for a cheaper manager merely because he's cheaper, is being a bit silly in this case.
Glazers will know from looking at Pool, that hiring the wrong manager can cost you in the market, and also feck up your clubs image. Not to mention, Sir Alex is the biggest factor in Man Utd. being valued at over 2 billion USD$. If he wasn't so successful with us, we'd be valued at a Tottenham level or something.
Glazers will know from looking at Pool, that hiring the wrong manager can cost you in the market, and also feck up your clubs image. Not to mention, Sir Alex is the biggest factor in Man Utd. being valued at over 2 billion USD$. If he wasn't so successful with us, we'd be valued at a Tottenham level or something.
I think we have a good shout at getting either of the 2 (Pep/Mou) when Fergie calls it a day.
I doubt Pep will be allowed to go back to Barca; surely Vilanova isn't just 'holding' on to the position till Pep comes back. So I don't think he'll go back anytime soon.
I just don't want us to get a shit manager though, if Pep decides to coach X say, in 2015, when SAF retires in 2016, and Mou decides to leave Real in 2017!
However, we should have massive amounts of dosh to give to the new manager as our debts will be far lower by then.
I doubt Pep will be allowed to go back to Barca; surely Vilanova isn't just 'holding' on to the position till Pep comes back. So I don't think he'll go back anytime soon.
I just don't want us to get a shit manager though, if Pep decides to coach X say, in 2015, when SAF retires in 2016, and Mou decides to leave Real in 2017!
However, we should have massive amounts of dosh to give to the new manager as our debts will be far lower by then.