Hypothetical Question: Mourinho or Pep as United Manager?

Out of the 2 I would go for Mourinho although I do think that there are managers more suited to the role than these 2.

My argument against Mourinho was that he didnt seem to stick around at clubs long enough. Whilst I completely understand that we will never get a manager to last 25+ years I would like to think the next manager would give us at least 5 years and I couldnt see Mourinho doing that.

However he seems to have committed to Real Madrid which I like. It shows something about him personally. I think Mourinho has a bit of a soft spot for United so I could see him staying here for a while if he was offered the job.

His record at some of the biggest clubs in world football shows what a talented manager he is. Yes he might have had money to build great teams but its still a great talent in having to manage these players and bring them together as a team.

Actually, sod it, I want Mourinho.
 
What worries me about Mourinho is, would he only be interested in managing the first team to success or would he be interested in every aspect of the club like Fergie is?
Im really not sure he would understand the size of the job he would be taking on at United.
United need a manager that would understand that the foundations of the club are what make the team great.
Mourinhos last three clubs have all been able to delve into the transfer market at will (relatively)
With United currently looking for 'Value' aka 'We cant afford him', could he make the same progress? Not sure myself, and thats why Im not sure Mourinho is special enough.
 
i like pep's philosophy of football much more but i'm not sure he can get the same quality youth to move us to the forefront of european tactics and technique like he could with barca.
 
If the current debt continues when Fergie finally calls it a day, a Manager who can operate effectively under a budget will be selected.

Ole and Neville will be the assistants for continuity.

Pep or Mourinho won`t operate under a tight budget. Sad but true.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
If the current debt continues when Fergie finally calls it a day, a Manager who can operate effectively under a budget will be selected.

Ole and Neville will be the assistants for continuity.

Pep or Mourinho won`t operate under a tight budget. Sad but true.
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As opposed to a manager who wants to spend £100m every season and buy whoever he wants, yes.
 
Since this thread is somewhat about Mourinho and it speculates his ability I guess this is as good a thread as any to put this in.

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I guess Dudek rates the man as a manager then.
 
If Guardiola didn't try to convert our system to god awful short passing keepball then I'd have it.

It would get murdered in the prem and he'd subsequently be sacked for a bunch of poor league finishes.

I'd still have Mourinho anyway.
 
ghaliboy said:
If Guardiola didn't try to convert our system to god awful short passing keepball then I'd have it.

It would get murdered in the prem and he'd subsequently be sacked for a bunch of poor league finishes.

I'd still have Mourinho anyway.
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That, Swansea bunch really got murdered didn't they?
 
ghaliboy said:
If Guardiola didn't try to convert our system to god awful short passing keepball then I'd have it.

It would get murdered in the prem and he'd subsequently be sacked for a bunch of poor league finishes.
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:rolleyes: Oh dear God!
 
mourinho would wind up scousers more. can you imagine him winning at the last minute at anfield with us, running down the touchline winding up the kop or running out with a united flag and planting it on the centre circle ala souness/gala
 
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Christ, if that's what passes for brilliant psychology in FootballLand then footballers are even more thick than we previously suspected.
 
Zlatan in his book painted guardiola as a weak coward who does not look you in the eye and wants everyone to behave like schoolboys. No personality and afraid of anyone with it.
Mourinho was totally the opposite, a real motivator who.could handle superstars and have them bleed sweat for him.

He might be biased though.
 
Then Jose Mourinho came to the locker room. He looked at us and said, "I know it hurts you... But that's only the beginning... Take your families, children, friends... Show your balls... And after that we will fight." I thought to myself, "Damn"... Boys looked at themselves and... rose...
 
If José had a face like a bag of spanners and wore crap clothes, there'd be a helluva lot less man-love...I mean, a lot less awe from players & fans.
 
SteveJ said:
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Christ, if that's what passes for brilliant psychology in FootballLand then footballers are even more thick than we previously suspected.
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It's really just motivating. Not much psychology in it. Players are down, encourage them. He just says the right things to them at the right time. Some men are good at feeling the room and getting people going.

Then again, Mourinho did study sports science. That might have helped him but I think it's more just his instinct.

It's also football. If you like anyone in football you will praise them a lot. I just saw McDermott talking about his new Reading signings and he was describing Guthrie and all I could think of was "Really... him?"

Good way to tease your book. He played for Liverpool and Real Madrid. He throws some excerpts on twitter about something from the dressing rooms of each club and that way he's tapped into two big fan bases.
 
José motivates the Madrid boys after the 5-0 defeat:

 
SteveJ said:
If José had a face like a bag of spanners and wore crap clothes, there'd be a helluva lot less man-love...I mean, a lot less awe from players & fans.
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Yeah no question! He couldn't pull off half the shit he gets away with if he was like that. The whole 'special one' image he has conjured for himself only works because he is a very cool guy, like you say if he was fat and from Ukraine it probably wouldn't work.
 
RDCR07 said:
They also don't have quality players like we do yet they played good football and did not get relegated.
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Yeah, a bit mini-wum. But one thing Fergie knows like the back of his hand it's the league. The relentless wing pressure and overdrive pressure in the final third when on the ball has worked wonders for us.

Maybe it's diluting the league as a whole but I think it works and it is what our players are used to. I could see it collapsing with a huge overhaul of our system into a more technical style.

but thats my opinion :)
 
Sad but possibly true...I mean, would the Madrid players listen to, say, Avram Grant in the same way? I doubt it, and it's not merely a matter of the respective success of both managers. And as at Inter, so at Madrid: this macho 'Show your balls!' showmanship appeals to men who are desperate to be manly...despite all the alice-bands, earrings and fake tans.
 
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Yeah, but I guess I should have referred to the point I made in my previous post - the 'macho culture' thing.
 
SteveJ said:
Sad but possibly true...I mean, would the Madrid players listen to, say, Avram Grant in the same way? I doubt it, and it's not merely a matter of the respective success of both managers. And as at Inter, so at Madrid: this macho 'Show your balls!' showmanship appeals to men who are desperate to be manly...despite all the alice-bands, earrings and fake tans.
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Yeah I agree. To be honest I think you find that in many occupations or walks of life. Edit - as VoetbalWizard said

He has an aura about him derived from confidence/arrogance, that translates well to his job of motivating footballers. If he was like Avram Grant then he wouldn't have that arrogance, and so the players wouldn't respect him, and in some instances nigh on idolise him, in the same way.
 
OK, I must admit I only bumped this thread because a throwaway sentence in a story in AS about the UEFA coaches meeting in Nyon caught my eye. The usual suspects were at the meeting including Mourinho, Vilanova, Wenger but no SAF.

SAF and Guardiola, they explained, did not attend the meeting because, "they are in New York." :devil:

Of course when I followed the story up I ran into this
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/the-man-united-column-why-robin-van-1302630
Apparently SAF has an apartment in NY and his son now lives there.

What a great rumour that nearly was :D
 
It was inevitable really, here's
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120...guson-new-york-pep-guardiola_54347016899.html

Retelling of the "SAF's in New York," comment that I mentioned earlier.

Apparently it was Mourinho who phoned SAF to find out where he was and why he wasn't at the UEFA coaches meeting. He then reported back to his colleagues.

And to close the loop, Mundo Deportivo pointed out that Guardiola had obviously gone to the US to improve his English and SAF had just popped over to swap notes in anticipation of a July handover :smirk:

Small world eh.
 
jojojo said:
It was inevitable really, here's
http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120...guson-new-york-pep-guardiola_54347016899.html

Retelling of the "SAF's in New York," comment that I mentioned earlier.

Apparently it was Mourinho who phoned SAF to find out where he was and why he wasn't at the UEFA coaches meeting. He then reported back to his colleagues.

And to close the loop, Mundo Deportivo pointed out that Guardiola had obviously gone to the US to improve his English and SAF had just popped over to swap notes in anticipation of a July handover :smirk:

Small world eh.
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Great journalism there. SAF is NY. Pep is in NY. Well by god, they MUST be talking about Pep replacing SAF. Can't be any other reason for both of them to be there.

Certainly if SAF retires after this season Pep would be at or near the top of a lot of lists to replace SAF, but this story seems a bit of a stretch.
 
I still have my doubts about Pep actually being able to "build" a side. He inherited the Barca team with basically 3 of the 4 best players in the world, not hard to forge a team when you have that as a catalyst. Yes he changed thier style, but the basis for the team was already there. Is it a coincidence that when 2 of these 3 players hit thier 30's and could need replacing soon to keep the team going, he takes a break? Just a thought really.

Jose, not sure about him either to be honest. had money wherever he has been, so can he work in a budget? We know he can man manage as basically all his players love him.

For the whole, we are United and we do what we want, I think Jose wins that battle though. :devil:
 
Mourinho.

He has the characteristics of Manchester United man through and througt but simply not yet had the chance to prove it.
 
Pep has a wonderful record, but he's also had the best players in the world and maybe the best player of all time, plus a nice transfer kitty.

I like him, but I would prefer Jose on a 5 year deal.
 
Despite the attraction of these two: timing, money and ambitions may stop it ever happening. So, another name for the not-Pep, not-Mou list then.

How about Pellegrini of Villareal, Real Madrid and now, Malaga. Not the most exciting candidate perhaps, but loyal (to a fault really), honest and great at recognising and developing young talent, living within his club's means, and organising old talent.
 
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