Hypothetical Question: Mourinho or Pep as United Manager?

That is because the Inter squad was finished, it had just achieved it's greatest ever season, there was only one way to go after that. It was an old squad when he had it, and he added yet more age to it and geared it up for one last hurrah, which i admit he did brilliantly.

I just don't see how that fits in with anything we do. We do everything completely in contrast to Mourinho. We set foundations for the future, he thinks only of this season.

For me getting Mourinho in here after Fergie, is basically a choice between SAF's long term foundations, and Jose's short term plan. There is no middle ground, one or the other, you cannot possibly have both.

So do we want to go 'all in' for another all out assault on the treble, and then have probably years of nothing? Or do we want to stick with the ideals which have provided sustained success over 2 decades? I know where i stand.

Mourinho's spell at Madrid ought to have dispelled such accusations mate. He has done what he has been asked to do at every club. Chelsea wanted immediate success, he did it. Inter wanted to win things, he did. Real wanted to win the La Liga, he did.

If he were to come here, its naive to think he'l suddenly buy old players and aim to win everything in a season while fecking up the future. It'l be him incharge next season too unlike at Inter where he knew it was just a stepping stone to bigger things.

Where did i say he was shit? Just show it to me, and i will hold my hands up to having a retarded view.

What i find retarded is people who cannot read a few lines of text and understand the words.

What i have said repeatedly is that i do not like Mourinho, nor his antics. I don't believe his management style is good for our club and i don't want him anywhere near our club personally. But never once have i dismissed his quality as a coach, only as a man, he is classless imo.

Not liking/wanting him for his antics is fair enough. Not a big fan of his antics either but when i look around, i see very few managers with the self confidence to take over from SAF. Mourinho will handle the scrutiny and the attention easily, hell he'd even thrive on it. I dont know whether the other names branded about will be able to do the same.

I dont even want him to give the club service like SAF did, managers of that sort are one offs. What i want is someone who'l steady the ship once the great one calls it a day. The pressure when SAF retires will be immense, i just want stability and continuity for some years. Mourinho will guarantee that.
 
Not liking/wanting him for his antics is fair enough. Not a big fan of his antics either but when i look around, i see very few managers with the self confidence to take over from SAF. Mourinho will handle the scrutiny and the attention easily, hell he'd even thrive on it. I dont know whether the other names branded about will be able to do the same.

I dont even want him to give the club service like SAF did, managers of that sort are one offs. What i want is someone who'l steady the ship once the great one calls it a day. The pressure when SAF retires will be immense, i just want stability and continuity for some years. Mourinho will guarantee that.

This. This. This.

That is what I see in Mourinho. Yes he's a cnut, but he's the only cnut in world football right now that I can see handling the pressure that there certainly will be and the first 2-3 years after SAF leaves will be pivotal. If we not careful we could lose players en masse and the club could fall back massively over a short period of time. I just feel Mourinho can provide a buffer in the short term whilst we figure out who can do the job long term.
 
He has never really stayed anywhere long enough to bring through players, but you can't hold that against him, so far Chelsea was the only club where he would have stayed longer if it had been down to him.

Sahin was injured for half of last season anyway and in the middle of a title race as tight as last seasons he couldn't risk changing a winning combination just so Sahin can get some minutes. He has let him go on loan now anyway.

I doubt Varane is ready to play in the first team, I would of thought he would go on loan this season but then you would think Macheda would go on loan this season too, sometimes it doesn't work out.

Can’t agree with pretty much any of that mate.

Firstly he was at Chelsea for three and a half years, so there was ample time to look to the future and develop future players. Securing the long term success of a club is always a priority anyway, so he shouldn’t need to stay at the club for a long period for it to have significance – it should always be an objective. The fact you view his period as manager like that emphasises his short-term approach to management, he is never concerned with the long haul.

It’s also important to remember the context with which he was manager, when Chelsea were spending millions every transfer window. So it wouldn’t be difficult for him to bring in some young players with potential, but he neglected to do so. Contrast that with the way Ferguson decides who to buy, where he is always bringing through young players. He bought established players instead, which don’t get me wrong had some very good signings in there, e.g. Essien, Carvalho, Drogba and Cole, but also included some poor buys e.g. Wright-Phillips, Shevchenko, Tiago, Ferreira after his first season, bringing Steve Sidwell in on a free, then others like Ballack who were okay but would have been better bringing in someone younger. Lassana Diarra was about the only youngster brought in, but then he wasn’t even used or developed.

There wasn’t the youth products coming through at Chelsea, so can’t criticise him for that. But at Inter there were some good youngsters, Balotelli who he fell out with or Coutinho who was highly rated etc. But mainly it is with the signings who again were established players, Quaresma, Muntari, Crespo, Mancini none of which were good signings, then second year was the same with Pandev, Lucio, Sneijder, Milito, Motta, Eto’o all being over 25, though obviously some are good signings. You can’t deny that his focus is on currently established players because it clearly is. Inter are in an absolutely terrible position now, the main one being that so many of their players are over 30, it’s crazy how old they all are. I’m not solely blaming Mourinho but he is partly at fault for spending so much money on older players, without looking to the future.

Secondly, yeah Sahin was injured but it wasn’t nearly for half a season, you are exaggerating quite a bit. He was injured at the beginning of the season but played at the start of November, so about 2 months. Regardless, he should have played more. Only 4 La Liga games is a joke for someone as good as him. He is more than good enough to play at that standard coming off an outstanding Player of The Season campaign at Dortmund. Saying the title race was too tight as an excuse for not playing youngsters is absolutely ridiculous mate. Didn’t stop Pep did it? Or Ferguson and Wenger over the years. I mean what are you saying, Mourinho needs to be 10 points clear before he’ll play his squad players? It’s crazy. Phil Jones played 41 times for us last year, Smalling 60 in two seasons. We were in just as tight a title race as Madrid, and Sahin is currently a far better player.

On your third point, Varane is definitely good enough! He is an absolute class act. When he has played he has coped completely fine and should have played more. There isn’t even that much competition for places in centre defence, especially when you consider Ramos could move to right back instead of Arbeloa. So there is ample opportunity to give him game time. Comparing him to Macheda is ridiculous, he is in a different league to him.
 
Rumours abound this side that a deal has been struck with Guardiola to be Fergie's replacement at the end of next season...

If that's true, I really hope he can handle the pressure.

I can't think of a managerial job in recent times with that kind of pressure. When Pep went to Barca he was the underdog, a guy from within the ranks. When Jose went to Chelsea there was pressure, but he had such an advantage over Fergie and Wenger. This pressure of following up a man who has delivered trophies consistently for 20 years will be like no other I can think of.
 
Also, if that is true, what the hell will Guardiola do for the next two years? Can't see him taking such a long sabbatical. He's not had long enough in the managerial profession to need so much time off.
 
Can’t agree with pretty much any of that mate.

Firstly he was at Chelsea for three and a half years, so there was ample time to look to the future and develop future players. Securing the long term success of a club is always a priority anyway, so he shouldn’t need to stay at the club for a long period for it to have significance – it should always be an objective. The fact you view his period as manager like that emphasises his short-term approach to management, he is never concerned with the long haul.

It’s also important to remember the context with which he was manager, when Chelsea were spending millions every transfer window. So it wouldn’t be difficult for him to bring in some young players with potential, but he neglected to do so. Contrast that with the way Ferguson decides who to buy, where he is always bringing through young players. He bought established players instead, which don’t get me wrong had some very good signings in there, e.g. Essien, Carvalho, Drogba and Cole, but also included some poor buys e.g. Wright-Phillips, Shevchenko, Tiago, Ferreira after his first season, bringing Steve Sidwell in on a free, then others like Ballack who were okay but would have been better bringing in someone younger. Lassana Diarra was about the only youngster brought in, but then he wasn’t even used or developed.

There wasn’t the youth products coming through at Chelsea, so can’t criticise him for that. But at Inter there were some good youngsters, Balotelli who he fell out with or Coutinho who was highly rated etc. But mainly it is with the signings who again were established players, Quaresma, Muntari, Crespo, Mancini none of which were good signings, then second year was the same with Pandev, Lucio, Sneijder, Milito, Motta, Eto’o all being over 25, though obviously some are good signings. You can’t deny that his focus is on currently established players because it clearly is. Inter are in an absolutely terrible position now, the main one being that so many of their players are over 30, it’s crazy how old they all are. I’m not solely blaming Mourinho but he is partly at fault for spending so much money on older players, without looking to the future.

Secondly, yeah Sahin was injured but it wasn’t nearly for half a season, you are exaggerating quite a bit. He was injured at the beginning of the season but played at the start of November, so about 2 months. Regardless, he should have played more. Only 4 La Liga games is a joke for someone as good as him. He is more than good enough to play at that standard coming off an outstanding Player of The Season campaign at Dortmund. Saying the title race was too tight as an excuse for not playing youngsters is absolutely ridiculous mate. Didn’t stop Pep did it? Or Ferguson and Wenger over the years. I mean what are you saying, Mourinho needs to be 10 points clear before he’ll play his squad players? It’s crazy. Phil Jones played 41 times for us last year, Smalling 60 in two seasons. We were in just as tight a title race as Madrid, and Sahin is currently a far better player.

On your third point, Varane is definitely good enough! He is an absolute class act. When he has played he has coped completely fine and should have played more. There isn’t even that much competition for places in centre defence, especially when you consider Ramos could move to right back instead of Arbeloa. So there is ample opportunity to give him game time. Comparing him to Macheda is ridiculous, he is in a different league to him.

Well there is no point arguing this since both our points are basically opinions, Inter told him to win the Champions League; that was all they wanted and he did it fast. From the way I see it he asks the board what they want him to do while there and pretty much always achieves what is asked of him. 3 and a half year is not enough time to set up a decent youth system; none of the clubs had one when he was there anyway. Inter had Balotelli, but why should Mourinho have to deal with him? He is clearly a pain in the arse and a disruption in the dressing room. Not many managers would of dealt with him.
 
Well there is no point arguing this since both our points are basically opinions, Inter told him to win the Champions League; that was all they wanted and he did it fast. From the way I see it he asks the board what they want him to do while there and pretty much always achieves what is asked of him. 3 and a half year is not enough time to set up a decent youth system; none of the clubs had one when he was there anyway. Inter had Balotelli, but why should Mourinho have to deal with him? He is clearly a pain in the arse and a disruption in the dressing room. Not many managers would of dealt with him.

How is all that opinion? Look at his transfer record ffs.

No board will have said for him to ignore building for the future. It is a priority for all clubs to be sustainable long term.

You are missing the point at Chelsea. The three and a half years isn't just about developing homegrown talent through the youth system, but buying young players with potential i.e Nani, Anderson, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez, De Gea, Smalling, Jones that Ferguson brought in. If he is spending so much of Abramovich's money, any forward thinking manager would have used a proportion of that to bring in some youth.

The position Inter are now in is not 'opinion' either, or the current ability of Sahin and to a lesser extent Varane.
 
Where did i say he was shit? Just show it to me, and i will hold my hands up to having a retarded view.

What i find retarded is people who cannot read a few lines of text and understand the words.

What i have said repeatedly is that i do not like Mourinho, nor his antics. I don't believe his management style is good for our club and i don't want him anywhere near our club personally. But never once have i dismissed his quality as a coach, only as a man, he is classless imo.

What? I didn't say that you said he was shit. I meant that Benitez clearly fecked right up after Mourinho because a squad can't win the treble then collapse straight after just because a coach has gone. Any decent manager would of been able to sort that squad out, it was good enough for it not to collapse like it did.
 
How is all that opinion? Look at his transfer record ffs.

No board will have said for him to ignore building for the future. It is a priority for all clubs to be sustainable long term.

You are missing the point at Chelsea. The three and a half years isn't just about developing homegrown talent through the youth system, but buying young players with potential i.e Nani, Anderson, Rafael, Fabio, Hernandez, De Gea, Smalling, Jones that Ferguson brought in. If he is spending so much of Abramovich's money, any forward thinking manager would have used a proportion of that to bring in some youth.

The position Inter are now in is not 'opinion' either, or the current ability of Sahin and to a lesser extent Varane.


You are being very harsh on Mourinho. The reason why he didnt buy many young players is cos unlike Manchester Utd which has emphasis on resale value of every purchases, Chelsea and Real are rich enough to buy older established players. Likewise when Fergie started, he was expected to stable the ship and his signings were more towards immediate impact rather than long term benefits. It's a club's transfer policy, not so much on SAF or Mourinho inclination towards youth. When you are successful, naturally you have more time and patience to invest towards youth.
 
Also, if that is true, what the hell will Guardiola do for the next two years? Can't see him taking such a long sabbatical. He's not had long enough in the managerial profession to need so much time off.

Manage Chelsea - that'll only take a few months, and he'll get a big pay-off so United won't have to pay him ridiculous wages, meaning that money can instead go into the war chest for him to build his squad.

Perfect.
 
I'm more inclined towards Pep at the moment, not because I think he is a superior manager than Jose.. the latter is a giant in the world of football management and would no doubt be a success if he was to be selected. It's just that for the long term future of the club, I think.. having some Barcelona DNA built into the fabric of the club would do no harm.

A new emphasis on possession passing style of play at Old Trafford, I'd love to see that at all ages/teams at Old Trafford. He could possibly be to United, what Cruyff was to Barcelona... whereas with Mourinho we'd get instant success, but if he was to choose to leave or the money dried up, I don't think Jose'd appreciate it... he likes to chop/change players - patience is not really one of his virtues.
 
Mourinho is the better manager but perhaps Pep would bring better football. And I to be honest I think Pep would attract more players to come and work with him as Mourinho has been around a lot and people have had more chances to work with him. Pep may also help De Gea feel right at home.

The problem with both managers is you couldnt look beyond 2 or 3 seasons with either. They are both short term type managers
 
Are Jose & Pep any good at dealing with the transition of a team/squad? For example, it could be said that a lot of Jose's success was due to the old guard at clubs like Chelsea and Inter; has either manager proved that they can change a team - fundamentally - and still bring success, as SAF has done?
 
Are Jose & Pep any good at dealing with the transition of a team/squad? For example, it could be said that a lot of Jose's success was due to the old guard at clubs like Chelsea and Inter; has either manager proved that they can change a team - fundamentally - and still bring success, as SAF has done?

Yep Guardiola got rid of 16 players in his first 2 years at Barca and brought as many in, or promoted through the ranks.

People who think he just waltzed in and took over a dream job from Rikjaard are absolutely wrong. He changed the team completely, the style of football in possession and most importantly instigated a work ethic without the ball, that has become the benchmark for others to aspire to.
 
You too! Because in my view the pressure to win will be greater on Mourinho than anyone else. To a man like Jose, the greater the pressure the worse he becomes, just look at his early antics at Madrid.

We have seen how Mourinho reacts to failure, he lashes out at everyone he sees as a threat to his success. I just don't believe it will be the joyous trophy laden journey you and others wish it to be.

I think he will struggle without a huge amount of money to spend, and the pressure of not getting what he wants will force him to resort to any means necessary. I get the feeling it could end in tears all round, just as it did at Chelsea.

Even if Jose wins with us. What next Sky? Who will follow Mourinho? What will be the next step in this 25 yr legacy you claim Mourinho's appointment will determine?

I have no idea, but one shit manager in souness is enough to make life's difficult for Liverpool

Easy for you to claim class and stuff when you're winning shits, let's see you strop out class, united's way, etc when you've won nothing.

Our legacy is what we won, wake up and smell the coffee, nobody knows a damn feck about our phylosophy, ask any united fans abroad, I bet none of them can even spell stretford correctly.
 
For me Pep is a fecking bottler

"A Rest"? What fecking joke, at this age, with possibly the greatest club players assembled at all time, with the club he served his entire carreer, and he doesn't even have the drive and ambition to see them thru?

He's a fecking bottler, imagine if he doesn't get his way in United, bet you he'll just take the easy way out and get himself "A Rest"
 
I have no idea, but one shit manager in souness is enough to make life's difficult for Liverpool

Easy for you to claim class and stuff when you're winning shits, let's see you strop out class, united's way, etc when you've won nothing.

Our legacy is what we won, wake up and smell the coffee, nobody knows a damn feck about our phylosophy, ask any united fans abroad, I bet none of them can even spell stretford correctly.

To be fair, judging by the standard of English of some posters, it'll most likely be spelt wrong by those living in Stretford. But that's a discussion for another thread in another forum.
 
Our legacy is what we won, wake up and smell the coffee, nobody knows a damn feck about our phylosophy, ask any united fans abroad, I bet none of them can even spell stretford correctly.

1.No our legacy is not just what we have won, it is how we have won it, and if you were a true fan of Utd, you would surely appreciate that. I think your comments suggest otherwise, i have conversed with you before and always get the same theme from you. Trophies are more important than anything else. Well maybe to you Sky, but not to me.

2.Well who gives a feck about them then? I am from Manchester, and i want my club to stay recognisable as something representative of my city. I don't want some trophy whore of a manager coming in and fecking up our club for the sake of a couple of trophies before he fecks off.

Anyone who doesn't give a feck about what the club represents or it's traditions are not real fans, so hardly surprising they want someone like Jose to come in, so they can carry on gloryhunting. feck em, let them go and support City if spending cash and winning trophies is their only consideration.
 
For me Pep is a fecking bottler

"A Rest"? What fecking joke, at this age, with possibly the greatest club players assembled at all time, with the club he served his entire carreer, and he doesn't even have the drive and ambition to see them thru?

He's a fecking bottler, imagine if he doesn't get his way in United, bet you he'll just take the easy way out and get himself "A Rest"

I worry you might be onto something there.

I like Pep a lot. Much more than Jose. I like his style and I like the way he comes across as a person. But I dont know if he is cut out for the pressure of United - which Jose certainly is. I dont think he would be a long term solution at all. But then maybe we are all too hung up on choosing a manager who will be here for years and years. Maybe that just isnt going to happen and we should stop considering it.
 
1.No our legacy is not just what we have won, it is how we have won it, and if you were a true fan of Utd, you would surely appreciate that. I think your comments suggest otherwise, i have conversed with you before and always get the same theme from you. Trophies are more important than anything else. Well maybe to you Sky, but not to me.

2.Well who gives a feck about them then? I am from Manchester, and i want my club to stay recognisable as something representative of my city. I don't want some trophy whore of a manager coming in and fecking up our club for the sake of a couple of trophies before he fecks off.

Anyone who doesn't give a feck about what the club represents or it's traditions are not real fans, so hardly surprising they want someone like Jose to come in, so they can carry on gloryhunting. feck em, let them go and support City if spending cash and winning trophies is their only consideration.

Lets compare our wikipage and fulham, or even crewe the only thing thats different is the stadium we have and the trophies we won,

Every club have their ownromantic version of history, dignity, class and other bulls, but its trophies that sets them apart, or else u probably be supporting fc right now
 
Lets compare our wikipage and fulham, or even crewe the only thing thats different is the stadium we have and the trophies we won,

Every club have their ownromantic version of history, dignity, class and other bulls, but its trophies that sets them apart, or else u probably be supporting fc right now

Nope im supporting my hometown club. The same club i have supported since the late 70's. The club i supported for 15 years before winning a PL title, and during a time when we won only 2 FA cups.

My support for my club is not defined by trophies Sky, it never was, and it won't be in the future.

Why did you start supporting Utd by the way? Im presuming the 1981 is your birthdate, so you probably remember very little before SAF came.
So was it just for trophies, or was the style in which we won them while using homegrown players, an important consideration too?

I suspect the style was important to you then, but now your insatiable thirst for yet more trophies, makes those early 'romanticised' trophies far less relevant today somehow.
 
For me Pep is a fecking bottler

"A Rest"? What fecking joke, at this age, with possibly the greatest club players assembled at all time, with the club he served his entire carreer, and he doesn't even have the drive and ambition to see them thru?

He's a fecking bottler, imagine if he doesn't get his way in United, bet you he'll just take the easy way out and get himself "A Rest"

I think he's just a bloke who has other things going on in his life. Take this year - moves to NYC with his family, no doubt a great thing to do if you can afford it, and fair play to him, life isn't all about work.

I don't think he needs football, and I don't think he'll be in football long term to be honest.

Jose is a different animal - and much more like Fergie in terms of his love for the game and seemingly a need to be involved.
 
Nope im supporting my hometown club. The same club i have supported since the late 70's. The club i supported for 15 years before winning a PL title, and during a time when we won only 2 FA cups.

My support for my club is not defined by trophies Sky, it never was, and it won't be in the future.

Why did you start supporting Utd by the way? Im presuming the 1981 is your birthdate, so you probably remember very little before SAF came.
So was it just for trophies, or was the style in which we won them while using homegrown players, an important consideration too?

I suspect the style was important to you then, but now your insatiable thirst for yet more trophies, makes those early 'romanticised' trophies far less relevant today somehow.

They dont show loser on the champions league! And that was in the 1996, im seeing fergie babe as protagonist, i didnt know shit what we won before, but my point is still, they dont show loser on champion league, whoch aired across the world at that time
 
I think he's just a bloke who has other things going on in his life. Take this year - moves to NYC with his family, no doubt a great thing to do if you can afford it, and fair play to him, life isn't all about work.

I don't think he needs football, and I don't think he'll be in football long term to be honest.

Jose is a different animal - and much more like Fergie in terms of his love for the game and seemingly a need to be involved.

pep had a world class playing legacy.

jose certainly didn't, and fergie's was inbetween jose's and pep's.

I reckon that has something to do with how hungry they are as gaffers.
 
Sky, you're disregarding the constant pressure & scrutiny which the Spanish press exerts on managers of the major clubs. Even Jose noted this, this week. Also, it appears that Pep didn't have the full support of the board. If he was a 'bottler', he wouldn't have taken such a high-profile job in the first place.
 
Sky, you're disregarding the constant pressure & scrutiny which the Spanish press exerts on managers of the major clubs. Even Jose noted this, this week. Also, it appears that Pep didn't have the full support of the board. If he was a 'bottler', he wouldn't have taken such a high-profile job in the first place.

Perhaps that's the reason he did walk?

For me the fact that he decides his career year on year tells you that he himself isn't all that sure about his long term future in the game.

He had, arguably the best job in world football at Barca - was close to the players, had a great youth set up behind him and had great success and was at his "home" club - and he still walked away from the job, and on a low too.

The pressure on the next United manager will be incredible, and he won't have the support netowrk he had at Barca if he takes it on. I wonder how much he wants it, and how prepared he is to put himslef under the microscope.
 
Sky, you're disregarding the constant pressure & scrutiny which the Spanish press exerts on managers of the major clubs. Even Jose noted this, this week. Also, it appears that Pep didn't have the full support of the board. If he was a 'bottler', he wouldn't have taken such a high-profile job in the first place.

Oh, there's a good reason why the press are leaving us alone for the better part of the time, because it's SAF they're messing with.

Guess what, when it's not him, they're going to have their own payback time.
 
While there will be incredible pressure on the next United manager, I still don't believe it will match up to that experienced at the two major Spanish clubs. Along with the Brazil job, they're surely on a different level. It's a different kind of pressure too - at United it will be to maintain the almost unprecedented success/competitiveness we've experienced over the last 20 years. Guardiola's record at Barca speaks for itself in terms of consistently delivering on immense expectation (I love the stat that in his 4 years at charge, Barca played 247 out of the possible 254 matches they could have been scheduled for). As much as we like to complain about press intrusion here, England cannot compare to Spain in terms of 24/7 news coverage - we're not the ones with 4 sports (essentially football) dailies with their focus split between the 2 biggest teams. Players often talk about having to answer much fewer questions here. It's more match to match pressure here than day to day.

Guardiola having only managed one club and walking away when he did is definitely a question mark in terms of his credentials, but I completely disagree that it's proof that he's a bottler - you have to put those 4 seasons in charge into context. Since 1990 only three other managers have completed a second season in charge of Barca (out of 11 managers, including caretakers); two at Madrid (out of 24). 4 years is a long time at any top club, an eternity at those particular two. Which says a lot about both managers being discussed, especially if Mourinho sees out his extended contract.
 
While there will be incredible pressure on the next United manager, I still don't believe it will match up to that experienced at the two major Spanish clubs. Along with the Brazil job, they're surely on a different level. It's a different kind of pressure too - at United it will be to maintain the almost unprecedented success/competitiveness we've experienced over the last 20 years. Guardiola's record at Barca speaks for itself in terms of consistently delivering on immense expectation (I love the stat that in his 4 years at charge, Barca played 247 out of the possible 254 matches they could have been scheduled for). As much as we like to complain about press intrusion here, England cannot compare to Spain in terms of 24/7 news coverage - we're not the ones with 4 sports (essentially football) dailies with their focus split between the 2 biggest teams. Players often talk about having to answer much fewer questions here. It's more match to match pressure here than day to day.

Guardiola having only managed one club and walking away when he did is definitely a question mark in terms of his credentials, but I completely disagree that it's proof that he's a bottler - you have to put those 4 seasons in charge into context. Since 1990 only three other managers have completed a second season in charge of Barca (out of 11 managers, including caretakers); two at Madrid (out of 24). 4 years is a long time at any top club, an eternity at those particular two. Which says a lot about both managers being discussed, especially if Mourinho sees out his extended contract.

Thing is, Mourinho was sacked, moved on to a bigger club, or finished his job with Inter

Guardiola simply walks away with no good excuse other than "FATIQUE"

And people claim Jose won't stay for long? Seriously, this is like Gary Neville / Scholes / Giggs, winning us a treble, and walks away after 4 season. What makes you think Pep gonna stay here any longer than 4

Say what you like : Retire, quit, bored, losing interest, any of those are still considered as bottling it.

that man is not even 45 years old, with the best squad ever, and it's not like they won everything yet. He got no hunger, no passion for the game. Mourinho was passionate about the game.

He was a translator, he wouldn't won what he had won today without determination, skill, vision, and the whole bag of tricks.

Guardiola was a complete player, been in the game longer than Mou has.
 
Thing is, Mourinho was sacked, moved on to a bigger club, or finished his job with Inter

Guardiola simply walks away with no good excuse other than "FATIQUE"

And people claim Jose won't stay for long? Seriously, this is like Gary Neville / Scholes / Giggs, winning us a treble, and walks away after 4 season. What makes you think Pep gonna stay here any longer than 4

Say what you like : Retire, quit, bored, losing interest, any of those are still considered as bottling it.

that man is not even 45 years old, with the best squad ever, and it's not like they won everything yet. He got no hunger, no passion for the game. Mourinho was passionate about the game.

He was a translator, he wouldn't won what he had won today without determination, skill, vision, and the whole bag of tricks.

Guardiola was a complete player, been in the game longer than Mou has.

Someone who has accomplished as much in the game as Guardiola is definitely not a bottler. That is horseshit.

I cannot literally believe you can say he has no passion or hunger for the game. You must be taking the piss? The guy has vision and the ideas to back up his vision. Have you not been watching the last 3 years?

LITA makes some really sound points about the 24/7 press coverage in Spain, you think our hacks are bad...Jeez. Also you have absolutely no idea what was going on behind the scenes at Barca....none whatsoever. The expectation on Pep must have been suffocating at times, especially trying to live up to his reputation and the success he has achieved. He was experiencing a unique pressure at Barca, one emphasised by the the intrinsic bond he has with the club. Barca are not United fella, they are literally...more than a club.

And finally you inadvertently raise a good point yourself. Guardiola is 41 years of age, still amazingly young to be a football manager. The pressures of the modern game are immense and he doesn't have the experience Ferguson or Mourinho possess. Villas-Boas has already touched on the pressures and stress that management bring, and a greater maturity and temperament generally come with age and experience. Ferguson himself had to calm down for the sake of his health, and as such he organised a support structure around himself to aid this differing approach. If Pep felt like he needed a time-out for his own health and for the sake of his family then damn right, he will be back and probably stronger and more experienced for it.
 
Thing is, Mourinho was sacked, moved on to a bigger club, or finished his job with Inter

Guardiola simply walks away with no good excuse other than "FATIQUE"

And people claim Jose won't stay for long? Seriously, this is like Gary Neville / Scholes / Giggs, winning us a treble, and walks away after 4 season. What makes you think Pep gonna stay here any longer than 4

Say what you like : Retire, quit, bored, losing interest, any of those are still considered as bottling it.

that man is not even 45 years old, with the best squad ever, and it's not like they won everything yet. He got no hunger, no passion for the game. Mourinho was passionate about the game.

He was a translator, he wouldn't won what he had won today without determination, skill, vision, and the whole bag of tricks.

Guardiola was a complete player, been in the game longer than Mou has.
I'd very happily take 4 seasons of success from Guardiola. But as you say his exit definitely leaves a question mark, my point was that there are hardly any coaches who have reigned for similar lengths that we can point to to say with any great conviction that Guardiola handled it comparatively badly. I think there is less pressure in the United job but I obviously have no real idea of his character or how he'd do here. I think it's the kind of thing that gets decided in an interview.
 
Who knows? There might have been a secret agreement made ages ago for Pep to succeed SAF, and now Pep gets a nice break for a year or two 'til SAF retires. Maybe Pep's departure from Barca wasn't 100% to do with the stress of the job.
 
They dont show loser on the champions league! And that was in the 1996, im seeing fergie babe as protagonist, i didnt know shit what we won before, but my point is still, they dont show loser on champion league, whoch aired across the world at that time

WTF are you talking about? Who mentioned the CL? I am asking you why you started supporting Utd, and whether our youth and the style of our play, (which you claim is pure romanticism) played a part in your decision?

I realise now it didn't. You are basically a glory hunting, band wagon jumping, trophy whore. You are a Utd fan for no other reason than they were the team in the ascendency at the time you wanted an English team to follow.

If you had been born 10 years later, you would probably now be a Chelsea fan, 10 years earlier more than likely a Liverpool fan. That's the difference between you and me, it wouldn't have mattered when i was born i would still be a Utd fan, because i support the club that represents where i was born.

Which is probably why Utd's history, reputation and traditions are important to me, while in contrast they are completely irrelevant to you.
 
Thing is, Mourinho was sacked, moved on to a bigger club, or finished his job with Inter

Guardiola simply walks away with no good excuse other than "FATIQUE"

And people claim Jose won't stay for long? Seriously, this is like Gary Neville / Scholes / Giggs, winning us a treble, and walks away after 4 season. What makes you think Pep gonna stay here any longer than 4

Say what you like : Retire, quit, bored, losing interest, any of those are still considered as bottling it.
that man is not even 45 years old, with the best squad ever, and it's not like they won everything yet. He got no hunger, no passion for the game. Mourinho was passionate about the game.

He was a translator, he wouldn't won what he had won today without determination, skill, vision, and the whole bag of tricks.

Guardiola was a complete player, been in the game longer than Mou has.

Wow, you really are a piece of work! So had SAF retired, as he intended in 2002, according to you he was 'bottling it'? :wenger: :lol::lol:
 
I wont engage in any debate anymore with you apothesis, it is clear that you have no open mindedness to accept that different people have different view.

Youre just lucky you were born in manchester
 
I can see some of Sky's points. The 'support your local club' mantra I'm picking from apothesis I hate seeing come up.

If that's what you like, good for you. Not all people are the same.

You can pick your team based on loving watching them, growing up in a family of supporters for said club already, the style of football they play, the attitude and ethic of some of their players, and the joy you feel at watching them. Much of this, you would naturally see by watching a club win trophies. Especially as a foreign supporter which Sky is the games that they'd tend to broadcast over there would be the bigger teams playing attractive football, and not shit teams playing shit football.

The answer to football, is not to go on Google maps or AA route planner, and look at the distance from your house, to each local stadium in order to make your mind up. In other words, not choosing a football club at all, just being given one. That's just horse shit.

If some people want to do that, fantastic, but don't pretend that someone isn't a real fan because they put some actual thought into why they chose a certain club, or were captivated by watching beautiful football, where a team won trophies as a natural result of said football.