Hulk on the move again?

Not really.He'll still score a hat-full in the PL.

Everytime I have watched him play on TV, I have wondered what all the fuss was about. When I read that SAF wanted him, I assumed that we had hit rock bottom.

I am sure I will be proved wrong, but I think he will struggle in this league and as for being called "Hulk"...... :rolleyes:


He clearly isn't fat, just kinda of, you know......BULKY!
 
It was an international match but Hulk didn't impress me one bit against the woeful defending of the US. He was clearly upstaged by fellow forwards Leandro, Pato and Neymar.

Now, I would be concerned if he turned up at Stamford Bridge.
 
He'll probably still score 10-15 goals this season and create tons of chances. A player like Hulk will thrive in this league. Strong, powerful and pacey and a brilliant left foot.
 
What the feck is wrong with you? Your entire point was that he was now suddenly not rated highly on an internet forum. I guess the fact that he was never highly rated on said internet forum is an important piece of information after all, huh?




Hang on.. I thought he was talking about me :wenger:

sorry dont take any more notice I've still got a hangover from yesterday
 
He hasn't even signed unless I missed something..

You're right. This article in the Guardian seems to suggest it's something to do with the fact Porto don't own him 100%...
There are several versions of how Givanildo Vieira de Souza came to be known as Hulk and some of them prompt amusing images. It has been suggested that Chelsea's prospective signing owes it all to his likeness to Lou Ferrigno, the bodybuilder/actor who played the Incredible Hulk in the American TV series. Or that the nickname was linked to his time in Japan, when his rippling physique carried the green shirt of Tokyo Verdy.

The reality is a little disappointing. The 25-year-old's father, Djovan, was simply a massive fan of the Ferrigno series and he affectionately bestowed the moniker on his son. And it has stuck.

It is pure gold, of course, for the headline writers. When the Porto forward became embroiled in a tunnel brawl against Benfica in December 2009 and was banned for four months by the Portuguese Primeira Liga, he became the "Ineligible Hulk". The phrase "Don't make him angry" was virtually demanded in copy.

Yet behind the muscles and the superhero schtick is a quiet and humble professional, who has put in the hard yards and the air-miles to stand on the brink of his dream move to Chelsea. The basic fee of £38m has been agreed and his personal terms will not represent an obstacle. Why should they when his relatively modest Porto wage is set to rocket to £110,000 a week? The final stages of a transfer can be the most excruciating. Hulk just wants to hold the Chelsea shirt and smile for the cameras.

His journey from Campina Grande in Brazil has taken in rejection by the biggest clubs in his country, a move to Europe at a youthful age, the machinations of agents who have controlled his economic rights and a trawl around unheralded Japanese clubs. But his career found its touchstone when Porto took him from Tokyo Verdy in 2008 – they paid €5.5m to his third-party owners for 50% of his rights – and he has become arguably the most loved player at the Estádio do Dragão since Jardel, another Brazilian who knew his way to goal.

In his four seasons at the club, he has won three league titles and three Portuguese Cups, together with the Europa League in 2011, which represented the final leg of the treble under André Villas-Boas. The goals have poured in. Over the past two seasons, he scored 57 in 91 appearances. But he has also won hearts with the strength of his personality.

After the Europa League triumph, when Villas-Boas was lured away by Chelsea and Atlético Madrid paid €40m to sign the striker Radamel Falcao, the team threatened to break up. But Hulk, the captain, kept his head down and he helped to keep things together. Porto finished as the champions. His captaincy is not of the tub-thumping, grand oration variety. He leads by example.

Hulk had offers to leave last summer but he felt a debt to the Porto president Pinto da Costa, who had dealt sensitively with the great personal tragedy to affect the player. Hulk was shattered when his little niece was left unattended for a fatal moment at a family get-together in August 2010 at the house that he had bought for them in Campina Grande. She fell into the swimming pool and drowned. Hulk was not there but Da Costa told him to return home and take all the time that he needed. Hulk has subsequently celebrated goals with a look up at the heavens.

He is all about family, and is extremely close to his sister and brother, the latter of whom could be expected to accompany him to London. Life was tough for Hulk as he grew up and he recalls how his father, who sold meat at the local market, would wake him in the small hours to take him along, even when he was a mere toddler. Upon their return, Hulk would play futsal for the rest of the day.

Hulk was spotted by an agent playing for a team in Campina Grande and he was taken for a trial at Corinthians only to be passed over. The agent had a connection at Vilanovense in Portugal and he took Hulk there to begin his youth apprenticeship. At the age of 16, Hulk visited the Estádio do Dragão and he declared that, one day, he would play for Porto. Everybody laughed.

Vilanovense could not afford to buy out his rights and, back in Brazil, São Paulo refused to pay a sum that amounted to €18,000 for his signature. He was taken to Vitoria, where he made his debut before, after one further appearance, he was whisked to Japan in 2005. He played for Kawasaki Frontale, Consadole Sapporo and Tokyo Verdy, which had to go down as an unusual grounding for a career at the top level in Europe.

Hulk took the No12 shirt at Porto, in honour of the fans, the team's 12th man, and H12 has become a brand name, a little like Cristiano Ronaldo's CR7. Hulk has a football school in Campina Grande that he called H12 while he has dressed up his sports car with H12 logos.

It would be a mistake, though, to construe him as flash or egotistical and he would also be largely exonerated by the Portuguese Football Federation for his red mist in the tunnel against Benfica, when CCTV footage showed him rucking with stewards. They effectively overruled the League's verdict when they said he had been provoked and should only have been suspended for four matches. The trouble was that when they reached the decision, he had already sat out three months of domestic football.

Hulk felt persecuted after the incident and he has had his problems with referees, feeling that they do not offer him protection. Manchester City fans, though, took a dim view of what they saw as play acting from him during the Europa League meeting in February. "You're not incredible," they sang to him.

Hulk trades on his explosiveness when cutting in from the right, his power and his ability to make the difference in one-on-ones. His arrival at Chelsea would make a difference to Porto's accounts and it would provide yet another link between the clubs.

Chelsea have taken Ricardo Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira and José Bosingwa from Porto for a combined £49.25m, and they paid a total of £18m to secure the release of the managers José Mourinho and Villas-Boas. Of the current squad, Raul Meireles and Henrique Hilário are also ex-Porto.

Porto paid a further €13.5m last summer to buy another chunk of Hulk's economic rights – they now own 85% – and the remaining 15% will need to be squared before the Premier League signs off the transfer. Porto will simply purchase it and then sell. For Hulk, the excitement is tangible.
 
I think he'll do well for them given his pace and strength but i'm glad it's Hulk and not Falcao they are signing...The Colombian is a much better striker from what i've seen.
 
I've seen him a few times. Am I wrong in the assumption that he is extremely left footed and is only really effective cutting in from the right? Like, say, a shitter version of Robben?
 
I've seen him a few times. Am I wrong in the assumption that he is extremely left footed and is only really effective cutting in from the right? Like, say, a shitter version of Robben?

Why would he be a shitter version of Robben? If anything he's a better version.
 
Why would he be a shitter version of Robben? If anything he's a better version.

It's possible that was an exaggeration and no offence meant. Point being though, I feel he is a one dimensional player, like Robben. I don't particularly rate Robben as I see him as a one trick pony (though a very good one). However, I feel like he has been so good at Bayern because he has players that compliment him. Does Chelsea?

Is Hulk much different? That's an honest question. It isn't that I don't rate him. I rate Sturridge, who is probably less talented, but still can really only cut in to his good foot..

With that said, my belief is that type of player is fine to have in your squad - as long as you don't have too many. As an example, I have cringed every single time that I've see the likes of Giggs, Valencia, Evra, and Anderson in the same squad. The balance is only there IMO when Valencia is on the right and Evra on the left, which gives us natural width.

What position will Hulk be playing at Chelsea?
 
Another thing about Hulk, where does this reputation about his strength etc come from as looking at the statistics he isn't particularly tall or heavy..
 
It's possible that was an exaggeration and no offence meant. Point being though, I feel he is a one dimensional player, like Robben. I don't particularly rate Robben as I see him as a one trick pony (though a very good one). However, I feel like he has been so good at Bayern because he has players that compliment him. Does Chelsea?

Is Hulk much different? That's an honest question. It isn't that I don't rate him. I rate Sturridge, who is probably less talented, but still can really only cut in to his good foot..

With that said, my belief is that type of player is fine to have in your squad - as long as you don't have too many. As an example, I have cringed every single time that I've see the likes of Giggs, Valencia, Evra, and Anderson in the same squad. The balance is only there IMO when Valencia is on the right and Evra on the left, which gives us natural width.

What position will Hulk be playing at Chelsea?

Being one dimensional is not necessarily a bad as long as you're really good at what you can do i.e. Valencia, Robben
 
Being one dimensional is not necessarily a bad as long as you're really good at what you can do i.e. Valencia, Robben
Robben's not one-dimensional, Valencia neither tho' he's ploughed a limited furrow for Man Utd. Hulk was a joke when I've seen him play against Arsenal, clumsy, prone to falling over and wasting good final third possession with ludicrously off-target 'shots'.
 
Hulk is better than any player at Arsenal bar Van Persie.

The goals and assists he accumulated over the years at Porto should be enough to prove his worth. I can't say that when he's having a bad game he doesn't look like the description from peterstorey, but you have to reckon that playing in an inferior team and being expected to drive all attacks forward any player is going to look wasteful.

Besides those games were more than two years ago and his decision making has improved a lot since then.
 
Another thing about Hulk, where does this reputation about his strength etc come from as looking at the statistics he isn't particularly tall or heavy..

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The size of the guy's neck...

I saw the Europa League final when Porto played, and I think it was Graham Taylor who said if it takes longer than three games to know if you rate a player or not, he's not all that, he said he still hadn't made his mind up.

The impression I get from him is that he can be unplayable or poor, and that he often goes through very lean, inconsistent spells.

Also his free kicks from what I've seen are abysmal, yet don't discount him taking them next season.
 
He's overrated rubbish who will flop like beached whale in the PL. You thought he was better than Falcao, didn't you?

What a load of crap. Hulk is the best player in one of the top 12ish European teams and you're so sure he'll flop? It's possible, a lot of renowned players have flopped, but he's not any more likely to do as any other player jumping to a more competitive league.

It's hard to compare him with Falcao, they're both great players in their own right but they play different roles. I do think we'll miss Hulk more than Falcao, as he's our main creator of goal chances, both when he played with Falcao and without him.
 
I think peterstorey hopes if he says it enough times it might become true.

He knows that 1 of there rivals has significantly strengthened and is just wishing he will be shit. :lol:

If he was rubbish he would not be In the brazil setup.

Yes his final pass / decisions could improve, but all flair players are the same.

With a better team with better movement he could be a real force IMO
 
Ah yes, I remember this theory, the good old "Kleberson principle" which led me to believe Man United had signed the next Zidane

Difference is nobody had seen Kleberson play until that world cup, Roque Junior was around when Brazil had no defenders apart from Lucio.

Hulk is a decent player
 
Hulk can barely get a game for Brazil despite competing against a bunch of inconsistent kids. They've looked pretty poor in attack for most of Menezes' time - a few meaningless friendlies against weak teams aside - and yet for a large part of that time he's struggled to even get in the squad never mind the first team. So no, using the fact he gets in the Brazil setup when he's been involved even less than mediocre players like Elias doesn't really work.
 
He's such a Chelsea signing, isn't he? Strong, quick, overpriced.

I think he's going to be great for them.
 
When i've seen him, which admittedly is only in a few games against Arsenal a couple of years back, he's reminded me of Julio Baptista at Arsenal. Strong, quick, capable of good things against lesser sides but ultimately against quality opposition clumsy & out of his depth.

Has he really improved that much in a couple of years?
 
He got his name based on his supposed size. . which isn't very big

That's wrong. This is from the Guardian.

There are several versions of how Givanildo Vieira de Souza came to be known as Hulk and some of them prompt amusing images. It has been suggested that Chelsea's prospective signing owes it all to his likeness to Lou Ferrigno, the bodybuilder/actor who played the Incredible Hulk in the American TV series. Or that the nickname was linked to his time in Japan, when his rippling physique carried the green shirt of Tokyo Verdy.

The reality is a little disappointing. The 25-year-old's father, Djovan, was simply a massive fan of the Ferrigno series and he affectionately bestowed the moniker on his son. And it has stuck.
 
When i've seen him, which admittedly is only in a few games against Arsenal a couple of years back, he's reminded me of Julio Baptista at Arsenal. Strong, quick, capable of good things against lesser sides but ultimately against quality opposition clumsy & out of his depth.

Has he really improved that much in a couple of years?

No
 
He had one exceptional goal-scoring season where he was about as good as Rooney end product wise, but he's obviously in a greatly inferior league. He'll do decent, but I'm not sure he'll hit huge heights at Chelsea. Also, with Torres, Mata, Ramires, Hazard, Marin, Sturridge, Hulk, Lukaku, and possibly Malouda (if he stays) fighting for those positions it's going to leave a few players unhappy. Can they really be expected to not start Torres (£50m), Hulk (£38m), and Hazard (£32m) quite often? I don't think so and much like with Torres after his switch, I think Roman will be the one forcing the next Chelsea managers hand in regards to starting his big money signings.

Just for the record, I think Hulk is a £20m player at best, even in this climate. Porto seem very good at playing hard-ball in the transfer market though, so fair play to them.
 
When i've seen him, which admittedly is only in a few games against Arsenal a couple of years back, he's reminded me of Julio Baptista at Arsenal. Strong, quick, capable of good things against lesser sides but ultimately against quality opposition clumsy & out of his depth.

Has he really improved that much in a couple of years?

I've only seen him the few times United played Porto and when City played them this season. Got the exact same impression as you did. Underwhelmed, basically.
 
I tjhink he is ok but nothing special based on the times i have seen him. For me if i was going to spend £35-40m on a player, he would be very far down my list. With Atletico struggling to pay Porto for Falcao, he would be a far superior purchase imo. I don't think you would find anyone who would not consider Falcao world class.

Hulk is not world class imo, and the general consensus seems to agree with that view. Although i don't know why so many think he will flop in the PL, because you don't have to be world class to succeed here. He is a good player at Porto, who will undoubtedly have to up his game at a bigger club, but i don't see any real reason why he cannot become a good player for Chelsea, even if not a great one.
 
Chelsea were not going to go for Falcao as Torres is going to be our centre forward next season. We were looking for someone to play on the right and AFAIK Falcao would be wasted there.
 
Chelsea were not going to go for Falcao as Torres is going to be our centre forward next season. We were looking for someone to play on the right and AFAIK Falcao would be wasted there.

Surely there are better alternatives on the right (bring back Robben for example) and Roman could have splashed the cash on Modric.