Cause we can wait for a year and pay premium to him and his agent and Dortmund get nothing like Lewandowski. That and having to pay him 1 year salary with his mind elsewhere.
Henrikh Mkhitaryan | BVB confirm transfer
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I think his fee is fair enough to be honest.
I mean Hummels is on the decline and has been garbage for a couple of years and still fetched a lot.
I mean Hummels is on the decline and has been garbage for a couple of years and still fetched a lot.
Youre sure that you can wait? 2 years without CL and counting....
We had CL this year.
we were in CL last year?
Been kinda interested in Henrikh ever since Dortmund chose him over Chrisitian Eriksen back in 2013. I'd seen Eriksen play a lot and it was clear he was going to be a marvelous player, so I was convinced they would get him as their Gotze replacement.
In the end Dortmund could've gotten Eriksen who was truly fantastic at Ajax for less than 15 million euro at 21 years old, yet they still went for 24 year old Henrikh who cost nearly 30 million. So I figured this Mkhitaryan guy must be something extremely special and checked out his time at Shaktar. His last season there was ridiculous, scoring 25 goals in 29 league matches, giving 10 assists or so on top of that. How many times does a player who is not a number 9 come up with those numbers in any league in the world, it's quite unique.
And now while he still scores goals he's made the switch from goalscoring monster to assist king, playing less centrally and contributing a lot defensively, that's very impressive, especially considering the higher level of play in the Bundesliga compared to the Ukrainian league. In the end you can say his second season at Shaktar was good, then his last season there was good, he went to Dortmund where he was good in his first season, then he sucked, and now last season he was good again. So the last 5 seasons he was good in 4 and a bit dissappointing in 1. This makes me pretty confident he'll be good playing for us.
I also like this interview back from when he was at Shaktar, it gives a little insight into his personality. The title is hilarious too:
Henrikh Mkhitaryan: A classy player, an outstanding personality, a well-educated polyglot…
http://www.armradio.am/en/2013/02/27/11034/
I'd say he's just a calm and intelligent lad, very down to earth. I doubt he'll actually struggle with the attention and the pressure of the big transfer fee or the spotlights - to me he seems more of the perfectionisitic genius type that can be his own worse enemy regardless of what club or stage he is playing at.
In the end Dortmund could've gotten Eriksen who was truly fantastic at Ajax for less than 15 million euro at 21 years old, yet they still went for 24 year old Henrikh who cost nearly 30 million. So I figured this Mkhitaryan guy must be something extremely special and checked out his time at Shaktar. His last season there was ridiculous, scoring 25 goals in 29 league matches, giving 10 assists or so on top of that. How many times does a player who is not a number 9 come up with those numbers in any league in the world, it's quite unique.
And now while he still scores goals he's made the switch from goalscoring monster to assist king, playing less centrally and contributing a lot defensively, that's very impressive, especially considering the higher level of play in the Bundesliga compared to the Ukrainian league. In the end you can say his second season at Shaktar was good, then his last season there was good, he went to Dortmund where he was good in his first season, then he sucked, and now last season he was good again. So the last 5 seasons he was good in 4 and a bit dissappointing in 1. This makes me pretty confident he'll be good playing for us.
I also like this interview back from when he was at Shaktar, it gives a little insight into his personality. The title is hilarious too:
Henrikh Mkhitaryan: A classy player, an outstanding personality, a well-educated polyglot…
http://www.armradio.am/en/2013/02/27/11034/
I'd say he's just a calm and intelligent lad, very down to earth. I doubt he'll actually struggle with the attention and the pressure of the big transfer fee or the spotlights - to me he seems more of the perfectionisitic genius type that can be his own worse enemy regardless of what club or stage he is playing at.
Also waiting allows more time for other clubs to make a deal to sign him.
That was ages ago though. As for Dortmund, he came around the same time as Gotze left if I recall, and has subsequently put up similar numbers, so all things said he has been a success. Furthermore, its important to look at players as part of the system they are joining as opposed to based on individual characteristics alone. Mourinho managed to win a CLs with the likes of Benny McCarthy and Diego Milito in attack, so I'm pretty confident he will do well for the cause.
So what if he has one year left on his contract? If he's the player Mourinho thinks we need now, and a player who will helps us achieve our targets next season, then what does waiting achieve? Other than appeasing the wannabe accountants who support our club. It was okay for Bayern to wait for Lewandowski because they already had an embarrassment of riches in their team. We don't have that luxury.
Well Dortmund has an evaluation of the player what they think one more year of service of the player would have been worth to the club, that's their asking price and of course it's not going to go down just because there is one year left since it's what they evaluated that year of service would be worth to them. They also know we can easily pay it so no need to budge on that really. I don't get why there is so much crying about this and stupid exagaration of how "Dortmund is willing to give Bayern players for free but makes our life a living hell because they hate us" nonsense.
Why are we even debating paying a tenner for 4 jagers?
Same can be said for Bayern and Lewa to be fair. If Micky has his mind elsewhere so be it. Better than another AdM situation.
Overall yes as he had 1 excellent season and they'll sell him on profit. It would be a good deal for them certainly.
I have reservations of him making it here. I can see the reasons why others think he'll be a success sure and he fits Mourinho's profile but then again my view on this is that he might end as another Kagawa. Personally I'd prefer we pay a bit more for Mahrez on the right and get James/Pogba in the #10.
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Do not want.
Do not want.
I voted undecided simply because while he will be an upgrade on our current options on the right side he's not so good that we shouldn't be looking to upgrade from him in a season or two
I'm not suddenly going to change my opinion on him now it looks like we are getting him, he's an incredibly frustrating and wasteful player
I'm not suddenly going to change my opinion on him now it looks like we are getting him, he's an incredibly frustrating and wasteful player
By all accounts he massively outperformed the likes of Willian and Douglas Costa at Shaktar by the way, that's a very good sign I think. And I very much doubt Costa will ever put out the numbers for Bayern that Mkhitaryan has reached for Dortmund this season (this doesn't mean Douglas Costa isn't a sensational player though, he's fantastic).
my fault
didnt remembered it correctly. In other words: You want to be top again now, and not in one year. That was my point.The obsession with age that's developed on here is really odd.
Not odd at all seeing RVP Rooney Bastian... sharply declined around 30 and too much FM.
However, any long term United fan should remember Carrick Scholes was better/in their prime into early 30s
Age and transfer fees. Its the FM mentality these days.
Some people saying they don't want him because he's 27 is definitely odd.
Oh I fully agree with the argument that no man should be an automatic starter every match. But the way it was written was that they hoped he wouldn't walk straight into the team and they need to earn their place first. That part doesn't make sense as surely when you buy a player of his age / quality and fee you're buying them to walk into the team as the quality that you've got there isn't good enough.
good post.
i think you have to look at the player when your considering how much age will be a factor, you look at the players who have really shined past 30, they have genrally either been players who never really relied on mobility/pace ie: carrick, sheringham...... or payers who have been able to adapt their game, scholes, giggs.......
so when your paying whole heaps of money for someone who will turn 30 in 2 and 1/2 years, its right that we should ask what kind of player is he? and how will aging affect him.
Calling him wasteful is odd too, sure he might miss big chances on off days and waste a lot in general. But with the stats he's been putting out over the last five years, he'd probably be a 40 goals/40 assist per season player if he wasn't "wasting" all those chances, wich would make him more productive than Ronaldo or Messi. Not very realistic to expect that.
And besides, all top players miss shiteloads of chances anyway, I see the likes of Muller, Robben, Bale or even Ronaldo miss sitters nearly every week. To me if anything, it's a good sign, because at least it means chances are created, something which has been one of our biggest problems since the Moyes days.
And besides, all top players miss shiteloads of chances anyway, I see the likes of Muller, Robben, Bale or even Ronaldo miss sitters nearly every week. To me if anything, it's a good sign, because at least it means chances are created, something which has been one of our biggest problems since the Moyes days.
my fault
I was just been picky! Your point is correct.
Yes thats the spirit Go Brexit..
Nah, I don't suggest they hate us or something, we've done business in the past I think we have good relation with them. I think however we can get a better deal as our option are pay 10m or so to him and his agent and get him for free next year, while we can bring in another player this year.
Football fans are always a bit fickle. A player is as good as his last season. Just look at James thread and this one.
Have you ever heard of something called "good squad development"? Another question: Do you play videogames? Wouldnt suprise me.
That's true. Before Ronaldo and Messi the rule of thumb was that a good forward finishes 1 in 3 chances. Do people even remember Andy Cole? I would neither call him average or wasteful.
Yes 30 or so million for experienced technical rapid player that would close the gap within the squad. Surely thats a good move? Arsenal known for their youth policy but often backfired because too many youngsters but no experienced heads in the dressing room. Hence Wenger changed it a bit last few years with acquisitions like experienced Ozil and Sanchez. Does that make him short term?
I don't see how the first is relevant. It's not like Micky is the only option for us. As for the second one - yeah I have, but long time ago - last Fifa I played was 2008. And football manager same year.
Down with Micky foreigner
Surprised you have even heard of video games in the bizarre dreamworld you seem to inhabit.
He fetched a premium because it was Bayern buying and hin being a German international. He also had a good to great last season and complements Boateng perfectly.
So neither declining nor garbage.
Please, you want to tell me that "buying another player for one year we have to wait for Micki" is a great idea of managing the United squad?
i've always liked the way he plays and think he could end up being a very good player for us.
Hopefully he settles better than Kagawa and it doesn't signal the end for Mata.
Hopefully he settles better than Kagawa and it doesn't signal the end for Mata.
Why does everyone love Mata? Hes not as good as he used to be and has become a very average player.
He's been stuck on the wing, since he arrived here he hasn't been allowed to play in his most effective position. I don't think he has had a fair chance.
I'll be happy enough if this goes through.
He will no doubt about it improve our right side and though I haven't watched Dortmund an awful lot he has stood out in the games I have seen.
He will no doubt about it improve our right side and though I haven't watched Dortmund an awful lot he has stood out in the games I have seen.
I'm not massively on board with the signing but the debate about his age is laughable. We've got such a young team - only Carrick, Schweini and Rooney are actually 'old' old - so we need to balance that out with players in their prime. Say whatever you want about Mkhi's ability/suitability but complaining about a 27 year old's age is just mental. He's got 3 - 4 years (minimum) of top football ahead of him before the decline sets in.
I bet BBC will report the deal as 38 million pounds.
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