I can understand Mourinho wanting him now just because of how poor our options in that position are right now. As for the money, I disagree and have explained why that's a problem. I guarantee you Jose is conflicted over this deal too. If he believed in any of our current players to play the rw position this deal wouldn't be happening right now imo.
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I can understand Mourinho wanting him now just because of how poor our options in that position are right now. As for the money, I disagree and have explained why that's a problem. I guarantee you Jose is conflicted over this deal too. If he believed in any of our current players to play the rw position this deal wouldn't be happening right now imo.
In other news: water is wet.
My point is that Jose most likely doesn't actually think Mkhitaryan is worth the money we're paying and is only agreeing to it because of necessity which would be another case of us overspending on a player, just as we did with Fellaini, Herrera, etc. In the long term this overspending will limit our ability to spend in the future unless we balance the books by selling (easier said than done with the wages we're likely playing some of our players, eg. the estimated £110k/w Young is believed to be on). Atletico Madrid can not spend right now and I wouldn't want that to happen to us. Even Real's ability to spend this season is limited, which is likely the main reason we're even being mentioned as a potential destination for Pogba (whether it happens or not, the interest seems genuine at least).
Our friend is in it again.
Regardless of contract length how much would you value Miki at, given his age and form? I think £30m is a good deal, yes he only has one year left on his contract but if we want him now then we have to pay his market value, and even at that he is probably worth more. If he had 2-3 years left then I think the fee would be upwards of £40m.
Was reading that early, maybe hes referring to Mane having a better goals to games ratio than Miki. But if you consider the assists Miki contributes compared to Mane then it becomes clear how good a player is in comparison to Mane.
Well, he can tell Rooney how to say "sausage" in 6 different languages. I understand Rooney is looking forward to it.
You make good points, I think the issues is people are divided on his ability in big games and suitability to PL and United in particular considering that United will play differently with how BVB plays. So his performance will probably not be a replica of his past achievements. Well its all baout opinions - no right or wrong answer. Lets wait and see how he does
Based on what I've seen of him, I'd value him at €40-45m with 2-3 yrs on his contract but the amount of time left on a contract should always factor into a deal. Establishing value is impossible without considering this. £40m would be overpaying imo.
Easily 50m + imo.
People have no idea how good he is.
Premier League pundits are clueless. Mkhitaryan is on another level to Mane.
So you think he's worth more than Ozil when he joined Arsenal then?
Özil would have obviously been worth more if he was still in their plans. But they already replaced him and wanted him to leave.
Also players are getting more expensive every year.
You are making a big assumption there thinking Phil Thompson understands concept of 'ratio.'
Fair enough. Who in the Premier League would you compare Mkhitaryan to in terms of quality?
Good player, beast on Fifa when I play with Dortmund.
Don't care what we pay for him really. If he's shite for us at £30m he'll get pelters. If he's shite for us at £40m he'll get pelters. It's just what established players cost these days. If he plays well then nobody will mention the fee.
Don't care what we pay for him really. If he's shite for us at £30m he'll get pelters. If he's shite for us at £40m he'll get pelters. It's just what established players cost these days. If he plays well then nobody will mention the fee.
You'd be pissing your pants had Mkhitaryan signed for one of our rivals but now that it seems like he's signing for us, he's suddenly average and not worth the fee?
I don't like comparing players, but what I like about him the most is his ability to solve difficult situations when he doesn't have much space. It's something that will make us more dynamic going forward instead of slowing down every attack like we often see by many of our players.
I've learnt form the ADM deal that it's pointless getting too excited about a player until he shows it consistently for United, no matter how good he was for his previous club, great looking deal on paper though assuming it goes through.
I always use that perspective to judge a players quality. If he was signing for Chelsea to replace Oscar as their new number 10 would I be concerned? Yes I would.
Compare this thread to KDB when City signed him and spot the differences. Mkhitaryan has had a better season as well ffs.
This has fecking enraged me
Where's the fecking fun in that? Just get hyper.
I'm not debating that he'll improve us, I'm just unsure whether it will be enough to justify €40m for just 1 year (which is what it is because we'd most likely get him free in the summer). I'm also somewhat cautious about players that stand out in the Dortmund system. I thought Kagawa would be great when we signed him too but he was easily one of our most disappointing signings for me. Gotze similarly hasn't looked the same since leaving Dortmund. I remain optimistic that Henrikh will be different but the money being spent seems unnecessary especially when combining it with the risk of him struggling to adapt immediately (which he actually struggled to do at Dortmund in his first season also, though I know he played more as a cam that year).
He also plays chess, reads book, and speaks 6 languages.
Yes but can he play on a cold wet Wednesday in Stoke?
Ozil joined 2 seasons ago and with the money now available in the Premier League from the TV rights all the prices are gonna be getting crazy high in a few more years.
Nah, no point, burnt too many times with our signings recently.
When you think that rooney wages alone is 15m per year 30m is peanuts
feck that, I'll just continue to make the same mistake time and time again
Haha, funny, mate.
feck that, I'll just continue to make the same mistake time and time again
I was like you until LvG dulled my senses with expectations for new players, Jose will hopefully build me right back up again though!
Where are these figures plucked from?
Mane 33 games (league + cup) 14 goals 6 assists.
Mkhi 34 games (league +cup) 16 goals 17 assists.
Closest we can come to comparing them, the Europa qualifiers against Norwegian no hopers that Dortmund went through scews Mkhi's stats unfairly.
Even with the difference in quality between the Prem and Der Bundesliga you'd still be confident he'd be a threat to get 10 and 10
Cringed reading the Phil Thompson quote my god this backs what didi hamman said pundits make the premier league better then what it is.Mkhitaryan is on a whole different level to mane.If Phil Thompson had ever watched Bundesliga football he'd never make that comparison.mkhitaryan is on the same level of Sanchez,silva,de brunye and Hazard.Everybody seems to think if your not in the premier league and aren't talked about much you must be brutal.
Your stats are wrong mkhitaryan got 23 goals and 32 assists in the league and cup (including the Europa league)
I think when he meant cup he means the German domestic cup DFB Pokal.
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Why we are even arguing that Micki vs Mane debate. Hopefully both will play next year in the same league and will play similar position for their clubs. Then we can compare them. For now all that matters to me is that Micki showed at both Dortmund and Shaktar that he is a good player and plays in a position where we need to strengthen.
I don't care about the price, player is worth ass much as the clubs are prepared to pay and I have little doubts that if we wouldn't pay it someone else would.
I don't care about the price, player is worth ass much as the clubs are prepared to pay and I have little doubts that if we wouldn't pay it someone else would.
He specifically said he's discounting Europe.
KDB/Hazard/Coutinho
Coutinho isn't even close.
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