Henderson to Liverpool | Confirmed

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RedRover said:
Why are people on here fixated by how much a player will cost? ....
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Pretty obviously it's because most clubs - including Man. Utd - don't have unlimited funds.

So if you spend a lot on Player X it necessarily means that you'll have less to spend on trying to sign Player Y either now or down the line later on.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Pretty obviously it's because most clubs - including Man. Utd - don't have unlimited funds.

So if you spend a lot on Player X it necessarily means that you'll have less to spend on trying to sign Player Y either now or down the line later on.
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I understand the simple economics.

I've made the point in a previous post so wont labour it - but the fact that people seriously think Fergie would over pay for a young player, if it meant that he couldn't then go out and sign a first team regular he's been tracking for ages is laughable.

Even if high cost players dont always work out, any manager would be aware of which players he wants, how much money he has to spend and will have prioritised particular targets, be it at United or any professional club.

Its been the same on the Ashley Young thread - "I don't want him if it means we wont get a central midfield player". Its absolute nonsense.
 
Getting closer to that Liverpool move:

From The Telegraph

The Stadium of Light club are now ready to allow the England Under-21 midfielder to leave for Anfield in the near future after Henderson indicated that he was keen to make the switch from his hometown club to Merseyside.

The Sunderland manager, Steve Bruce, has admitted defeat in his attempts to keep Henderson and his club are confident that Liverpool will meet their asking price before the European Under-21 Championship begins this weekend.

Henderson’s departure will not go down well with supporters but it strengthens Bruce’s prospects of persuading Crouch to leave Tottenham for Sunderland as he seeks a replacement for former Spurs forward Darren Bent, who left the North East for Aston Villa in a £24 million move last January.

It is understood that Sunderland will have to pay £10 million for Crouch, 30, to match the sum Tottenham paid to Portsmouth for his services two years ago, when he joined them on a five-year contract.

Bruce will know that it will be difficult to convince Crouch to join his side. The striker changed his mind about joining Sunderland from Portsmouth two summers ago after the clubs had agreed a £12 million deal and the player had agreed personal terms.
Niall Quinn, the Sunderland chairman, has previously admitted that the recruitment of a target man will be the club’s priority this summer to fill the void left by Bent and bring the best out of £13 million record signing Asamoah Gyan.

That would enable Sunderland to build on their top-10 finish. “It’s been an up-and-down sort of season but the way it came to a close made us all quietly satisfied,” Quinn said.
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If Liverpool do spend £20m on him, they'll have spent £55m on two relatively unproven young English players - massive gamble, and one that really could go either way in the next few years.
 
SecondFig said:
If Liverpool do spend £20m on him, they'll have spent £55m on two relatively unproven young English players - massive gamble, and one that really could go either way in the next few years.
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Name me a English player who is not overpriced?
 
SecondFig said:
If Liverpool do spend £20m on him, they'll have spent £55m on two relatively unproven young English players - massive gamble, and one that really could go either way in the next few years.
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you could look at it like that, or you could look at it like they have a change of transfer policy and will no invest in cheap foreign players who so far for them have had a high failure rate in the PL
 
They're not bad buys per se but they're obviously expensive and I am not convinced that they'll push Liverpool into the CL.

Henderson is the one that surprises me. They are quite well stocked in central midfield and he's not much of an upgrade over Kuyt on the right either.

Either they're planning on spending a lot more than just the 70m or they think that this buys them an English core and substantially improved performance or they're happy to take their time to get to the CL.
 
golden_blunder said:
you could look at it like that, or you could look at it like they have a change of transfer policy and will no invest in cheap foreign players who so far for them have had a high failure rate in the PL
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Change of policy from Benitez but they've bought expensive English talent forever.

Collymore, Heskey etc.
 
golden_blunder said:
you could look at it like that, or you could look at it like they have a change of transfer policy and will no invest in cheap foreign players who so far for them have had a high failure rate in the PL
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I wasn't criticising it, I quite like seeing clubs investing in English players, but no matter how you look at it, spending £55m on two young English players who have 2 seasons of regular Premier League football between them is a gamble.

As you say, it is a marked change from Benitez's tenure when he filled the squad to bursting with mediocre budget European players
 
golden_blunder said:
you could look at it like that, or you could look at it like they have a change of transfer policy and will no invest in cheap foreign players who so far for them have had a high failure rate in the PL
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Good point.

I think Liverpool will be a force next season in terms of making the top four, with Arsenal currently the most likely to suffer - especially if they lose Fabregas and/or Nasri.

They're also being linked with the likes of Enrique, N'Zogbia who're definante improvements on what they have.

Also - the likes of Phil Jones and Gary Cahill are rumoured to be targets. Would form a solid pairing at the bak for them.
 
I just pray this move to liverpool is genuine and it gets done asap, dont want him linked with us ever again hes in the charlie adam mould of being someone who id despair if they signed for us, theres no outstanding quality in him whatsoever and to think the scousers are going to waste close to 20 million on him is great!
 
RedRover said:
Good point.

I think Liverpool will be a force next season in terms of making the top four, with Arsenal currently the most likely to suffer - especially if they lose Fabregas and/or Nasri.

They're also being linked with the likes of Enrique, N'Zogbia who're definante improvements on what they have.

Also - the likes of Phil Jones and Gary Cahill are rumoured to be targets. Would form a solid pairing at the bak for them.
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Arsenal will not finish outside top 4 next season.

The players you are listing as potential players for Liverpool will not make them better than the likes of City, Arsenal, Chelsea or United, they are either mid-table players, average players or very young ones who can't be expected to carry the expectations of improvements.

Said it for a couple of years now, they desperately need a world class centre back to build their defence around. Phil Jones might be such a player in years to come, but not now and not in 1-2 years time. Gary Cahill is decent, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Allforone said:
I just pray this move to liverpool is genuine and it gets done asap, dont want him linked with us ever again hes in the charlie adam mould of being someone who id despair if they signed for us, theres no outstanding quality in him whatsoever and to think the scousers are going to waste close to 20 million on him is great!
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He's fecking 20! How can you say there is no talent in him?

Very clever move by the Scousers snapping up the best young English players. Shot term, nah they're not touching CL. Best way to get up there though IMO is this long term strategy.

Thankfully we've got our own young stars who I rate more.
 
Henderson for United?

No thanks, no better than the cente midfielders we have at the club. We have enough in terms of numbers.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Arsenal will not finish outside top 4 next season.

The players you are listing as potential players for Liverpool will not make them better than the likes of City, Arsenal, Chelsea or United, they are either mid-table players, average players or very young ones who can't be expected to carry the expectations of improvements.

Said it for a couple of years now, they desperately need a world class centre back to build their defence around. Phil Jones might be such a player in years to come, but not now and not in 1-2 years time. Gary Cahill is decent, nothing more, nothing less.
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I don't agree.

Liverpool looked excellent the back end of last year - seem to have a good team spirit and confidence is up. Players they're being linked with will improve them and I think Suarez could be one of the best players in the PL next year. Of course it may be a different story when the pressure's on but so far under Dalglish they look a much rejuvinated side.

Arsenal on the other hand have had another season where they've not only failed to win a trophy but have thrown game after game away at the end of the season, lost the cup final to a relegated side and finished a distance of the pace when the title was there to be won.

Most significantly, umpteen players have come out and criticised Wenger who to be honest is quickly losing his lustre and looking more and more outdated by the season.

If they lose Fabregas and a few others they'll need to spend heavily and I'm not convinced Wenger will do that - especially as he'd be practically admitting he's been wrong not to previously. More likely he'll stubbornly soldier on trying to convice himself and the rest of the world his plan will eventually come good.

Of course there are no guarantees who'll perform and who wont but for me Arsenal are currently stagnating (with the potential to move significantly backwards if they lose Fabregas) while Liverpool seem to be on the up.

Arsenal may surprise me and sign a spine to the side that is desperately needed, but I suppose we'll wait and see.
 
Liverpool looked excellent at the back of the season because they were virtually pressure free, however they were still comprehensively beaten by both Villa and Spurs at the end of the season.

Wenger has already said that he'll be heavily involved in the transfer market after a long time.

Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal are all unlikely to be usurped as the Champions League qualifiers next season. City will most likely improve where as Harry will buy a decent striker this season.

Liverpool are rumored to buy Henderson, Downing, Adams etc..All decent players, but they are not the level of players to take them into the Champions League especially the last two.
 
Decent player at the moment with potential.. I can see that much
20m? nowhere near from what little I have seen
What are the scouts seeing that we/I cant?
 
KM said:
Liverpool looked excellent at the back of the season because they were virtually pressure free, however they were still comprehensively beaten by both Villa and Spurs at the end of the season.

Wenger has already said that he'll be heavily involved in the transfer market after a long time.
Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal are all unlikely to be usurped as the Champions League qualifiers next season. City will most likely improve where as Harry will buy a decent striker this season.

Liverpool are rumored to buy Henderson, Downing, Adams etc..All decent players, but they are not the level of players to take them into the Champions League especially the last two.
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They also beat United and City "comprehensively" both of whom were chasing the title.

All a matter of opinion. Just think that Liverpool are building a momentum by trying to ship out the crap and bring in young hungry players with PL experience, while Arsenal's current crop seem to be losing faith in their boss.

Arsenal may very well be active during the summer - I'm just saying they desperately need to be. In my opinion they need a top goalkeeper (hard to come by) a couple of defenders, a couple of midfield players if Cesc leaves and a forward who can guarantee them he'll play 30 odd games.

Liverpool obviously need a massive overhaul as well - and it seems like they're getting about it in double quick time.
 
If they get £20m for him, Sunderland have done a great job robbing people blind over the past year.
 
I don't care about the price but I'm not sure about Henderson. He has never really stood out for me but obviously Kenny sees something so I'll wait and see him in a Red short before passing judgement.

Wickham and Phil Jones on the other hand I would be seriously excited about as they have the potential to be absolute beasts and the mainframe of the team for many years.

If we get these 3 wrapped up this week that will be one hell of a start to the window. Add Enrique and hopefully a pacy winger like Mata then I will be very impressed indeed.
 
M'n'M said:
I don't care about the price but I'm not sure about Henderson. He has never really stood out for me but obviously Kenny sees something so I'll wait and see him in a Red short before passing judgement.

Wickham and Phil Jones on the other hand I would be seriously excited about as they have the potential to be absolute beasts and the mainframe of the team for many years.

If we get these 3 wrapped up this week that will be one hell of a start to the window. Add Enrique and hopefully a pacy winger like Mata then I will be very impressed indeed.
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The Jones rumours are rubbish tbh because you lot were favourites to sign him with the bookies just a few days ago and now manchester united are favourites to sign him.

As for Mata, have you guys been heavily linked with him? What sort of fee do Newcastle want for Enrique?
 
Devil_forever said:
The Jones rumours are rubbish tbh because you lot were favourites to sign him with the bookies just a few days ago and now manchester united are favourites to sign him.

As for Mata, have you guys been heavily linked with him? What sort of fee do Newcastle want for Enrique?
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I've seen a few stories in the last few days saying Liverpool are making a move for Jones, Utd's interest appears to be older, and less urgent - i.e. that we'd have been happy to leave him at Blackburn for another year before making a move.

So the question now would be, will Liverpool's interest force our hand, our will we just move to another CB target (Varane?).
 
Devil_forever said:
The Jones rumours are rubbish tbh because you lot were favourites to sign him with the bookies just a few days ago and now manchester united are favourites to sign him.

As for Mata, have you guys been heavily linked with him? What sort of fee do Newcastle want for Enrique?
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Not sure how you work out the rumours are "rubbish". Our interest is concrete, whether or not he chooses us over anyone else who makes a bid remains to be seen. But I do know there is a clause of £16m in his contract so if we match that we can at least talk to him and sell the project.

We've been linked but nothing concrete other than people like Ballague saying we've enquired. I just threw the name there as an example of needing a flair player/game changer as well as the PL proven englishmen for the future.

Newcastle want £15m for Enrique. I'm sure it'll be done close to ten.
 
Jones is the only one I'd be unhappy about losing out on.

Shows how much talent they think they have coming through if they're trying to buy the England U21 team.

It seems a little obvious to me the strategy.
 
M'n'M said:
Not sure how you work out the rumours are "rubbish". Our interest is concrete, whether or not he chooses us over anyone else who makes a bid remains to be seen. But I do know there is a clause of £16m in his contract so if we match that we can at least talk to him and sell the project.

We've been linked but nothing concrete other than people like Ballague saying we've enquired. I just threw the name there as an example of needing a flair player/game changer as well as the PL proven englishmen for the future.

Newcastle want £15m for Enrique. I'm sure it'll be done close to ten.
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Re: Mata, the odds on him going to Liverpool have been slashed in the last few days, and a Spanish radio station Cardena Ser claim to be revealing the move a La Liga player to Liverpool tonight/tomorrow - people seem to think that this will be Mata.

Personally, I'd be surprised - but what do I know.
 
Mata would be a hell of a buy for them, he's top class, a genuine left footer who can play wide or in the hole, hope it doesn't happen.
 
Twigginater said:
He's fecking 20! How can you say there is no talent in him?

Very clever move by the Scousers snapping up the best young English players. Shot term, nah they're not touching CL. Best way to get up there though IMO is this long term strategy.

Thankfully we've got our own young stars who I rate more.
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Hehe, trying a little to hard to keep your friends over at RAWK happy me thinks twig, Henderson is so average its laughable.
 
SecondFig said:
Re: Mata, the odds on him going to Liverpool have been slashed in the last few days, and a Spanish radio station Cardena Ser claim to be revealing the move a La Liga player to Liverpool tonight/tomorrow - people seem to think that this will be Mata.

Personally, I'd be surprised - but what do I know.
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Its Fernando Gago
 
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