Henderson to Liverpool | Confirmed
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thought his form went down after all the who hah....
I don't think he is that bad as people claim, yes he doesn't have the names of the South American's but he can put in some decent deliveries at times...
Looking back, he had a superb cross for Gyan's first every goal in the PL...
Not to mention he did look good playing CM with the big teams, not that he was perfect in a way but if we were to lose Gibbo/Scholes/OH in one season, an English Prospect like Henderson who could easily play 20 games ++ wouldn't be a bad idea for me.
Looking back, he had a superb cross for Gyan's first every goal in the PL...
Not to mention he did look good playing CM with the big teams, not that he was perfect in a way but if we were to lose Gibbo/Scholes/OH in one season, an English Prospect like Henderson who could easily play 20 games ++ wouldn't be a bad idea for me.
He's got a South American name (Replace He with A) but that doesn't mean anything. He's decent but he was taken for a ride by France's midfield a couple of months ago and we're talking here about Gourcuff and Nasri not Iniesta and Xavi.
What do you expect of a 21-22 yr old MF though ?
Scholesy at that age would have been over ridden by the likes of them now...
Not worth comparing though...
Also it wasn't just the players that cost us against Barca, the tactics no way suited the game and we lost fair and square... Big deal, its not like we play against Barca every day.
In season 1995-1996 Paul Scholes played 16 full games (10 as substituted) and scored 10 goals. Comparing Scholes with Henderson is well erm like comparing Scholes with Henderson.
If we want to win Barca then we need some quality ball possession in CM. Henderson is decent but cannot provide that. Period. I'd rather see us insist on our current players then signing Henderson. Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs and Anderson are better then this guy. Pogba has the potential to become better too.
When i think of the crap we've been linked too over the last year or two....just because they're playing for these clubs, don't make them better then what we have coming through. The figures being thrown about are laughable. I wouldn't even pay 1million for him. He's unproven at the highest level, week in week out and therefore what would teams really be buying?. People should take more interest in Cleverly then this guy who's o.v.e.r.r.a.t.e.d by the people in this country or maybe he's the next xavi....-sigh- Why are we even talking about him? He's not a United player and chances are he won't be in future either.
When I think about our youth, I can't help but be optimistic. That's what it's for. Players like Henderson would just hog up squad space, not improve the quality of the squad etc
When I think about our youth, I can't help but be optimistic. That's what it's for. Players like Henderson would just hog up squad space, not improve the quality of the squad etc
henderson isn't worth that kind of money to throw throw 2 players in exchange + cash, crazy....
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Fergie's had great signings over the years, but decent or biggish money is no guarantee they'd be successful. Yes, Fergie gets it right more often than not, but you'll never know.
Posters here are just expressing an opinion that he's not good enough, not for that kind of money any way, and seeing as there's such a huge consensus, they may well be right.
Its a forum after all, not like Fergie's gonna be influenced one bit by muppets posting on an internet cafe. Its not gonna result in him either buying or not buying - in the end these are just opinions which in time to come could be proved right or wrong. Though sometimes i wish Fergie would read the caf opinion for some additional tactical viewpoints. I've actually been fairly impressed by some of the tactical nous spouted by some posters on here.
Well done on giving two awful examples of this. Both were extremely talented but due to some factors it didn't work out for both of them.
Expecting some idiot to come in with Tosic, Bebe and Obertan examples perhaps forgetting that the situations are different.
If we sign him that what makes this transfer different from others is that Henderson plays in the Premier League and our scouts would have given quite an extensive thorough scout report on him. Besides Fergie's record of signing Premier League players is exceptional. I can't think of a single failure really.
I never said both were talentless. I loved diego. I was merely highlighting that signing someone for reasonably big money was no guarantee of being successful.
This was something the poster i was replying to implied, ie, if Fergie wants him who are we to judge whether the he was worth the money he bought for.
Should we even care? I mean, FFS, its not even our money. But its a forum, you see, so i did think it was right that fans voice opinions on a forum like this, regardless of whether its "their money".
Btw, i'd probably be that "idiot" who would come in with the tosic example. Whats wrong with Tosic being an example, by the way? I was saying that big money does not guarantee success, something which isn't out of place with the Tosic example.
Tosic is a bad example because he has never played in England and there was doubts whether he could adapt to the English Premier League. Both of these doesn't apply to Jordan Henderson. Besides Fergie has got an exceptional record in signing players from English Premier League sides.
I don't think its different at all. Its a global game these days. I don't see why the scouting on Henderson or a player in France would be any different to be honest. Besides i would be concerned if we signed a player without giving him as thorough an assessment as the one we'd give Henderson if at all we were interested.
Fergie's record is exceptional - i agree. Which is probably why i don't believe that we're after Henderson to be honest.
I take it you'd be happy if we splashed £20 million on him then?
You can only scout a player for his talent and ability, you can't predict that how a player will adapt to the league. The Prime Example of this is Veron, excellent ability but just couldn't settle into this league.
Oh I don't rate him that much myself, but if Fergie's interested and is prepared to spend the money then I think we should just trust him in this decision. Many people doubted Smalling's signing especially for that kind of money, however that has turned out to be pretty good.
the fact is we've not made a bid. Bruce has been smart. There is no way we're after Henderson. What would be the point? It wouldn't make any sense spending what it would cost on someone average who might one day have something...
But thats how the media/agents work. It would be a shock if we signed him.
But thats how the media/agents work. It would be a shock if we signed him.
I think people are being a bit harsh on Henderson. He seems a pretty decent prospect. The questions about him boil down to the purple patch he had at the start of the season. Is that going to be the limit of his ability or is it a sign of much more to come? Can he produce it regularly or only for a couple of months?
I don't think he should move this season and buying him is going to be expensive and risky. I can see why he is highly thought of though. He is mobile, quick and has shown in flashes that he could be useful in the last third.
I don't think he should move this season and buying him is going to be expensive and risky. I can see why he is highly thought of though. He is mobile, quick and has shown in flashes that he could be useful in the last third.
I think he's about Gibson's level at this moment in time. However, he is a few years younger and the scouts might see potential there which we're obviously missing.
I reckon everyone who doesn't think Henderson is all that, will start thinking he's great if fergie does sign him - for the most part every body trusts fergie. Doesn't mean we can't debate his judgement though. Whats the point of having the forum if all we say in it is "just trust fergie?" Uncertainty - that drives the forum. If we were only allowed to debate anything weeks after its happened i reckon this place would be too boring with only half the posts..
Everybody makes mistakes mate! Not every signing we make is going to be great for us. But I agree in the past few years, every signing has had a significant effect on our team.
£18million???
Overflated prices...
Good deal to Sunderland if true.
Good deal to Sunderland if true.
Oh dear, another snub which strikes at the heart of Manchester United. How will the club survive??? 
Id rather have Wickham over Henderson anyday!
thank feck we aren't going anywhere near this.
carroll, adam, wickham, henderson, downing, cattermole.....vermin are looking to grind their way back into top4.
young is dangerously close to being part of this group as well
carroll, adam, wickham, henderson, downing, cattermole.....vermin are looking to grind their way back into top4.
young is dangerously close to being part of this group as well
They play different positions though ?
I think Voetbal is refering to going all English being a bad idea.
I actually meant Ramshocks post... Thought wickham was a fwd no ?
Liverpool are signing good youngsters and are building for the future. They have really good young players waiting to take over for the first team. They also have bought domestic players from the British Isles itself so they don't have to worry about homegrown players.
yep.
as for my aversion to british players, don't get me wrong...i'd break the bank for wilshere, and would've done so for quite a while.
i also think that mceachran lad at chelsea will look quite good.
but besides that, there really isn't any british player i'd want. Perhaps young to bolster squad numbers. Depends on the price.
Bale is ludicrously expensive and he's a kick and rush footballer. Rafael had him in his pocket.
I think fergie will buy a british player or two esp since we could be losing 4 (scholes, hargreaves, gaz, possibly brown)...but i'd rather see our british contingent be made up of home grown lads (cleverly, welbeck, morrison) and instead buy foreign.
Why are people on here fixated by how much a player will cost?
Not the fans job to worry about the fee. You get the same player whther you pay £5 million or £50 million.
If Fergie takes the decision that he's a player United want I'd say most fans should be more than happy with it because he obviously thinks its in the club's best interests.
I don't see what the fuss is with Henderson.
True, I've not watched Sunderland much this season but whenever I have seen him he's been incredibly ordinary.
True, I've not watched Sunderland much this season but whenever I have seen him he's been incredibly ordinary.
Oh dear, another snub which strikes at the heart of Manchester United. How will the club survive???
Happens every time. I'm not sure it's possible for Liverpool to make a big money signing without it being painted as a 'snub' to United, even if interest from United existed only in the heads of speculating journos and transfer muppets.
Why are people believing an article from the Daily Mail? It's clearly quoteless bollocks. Also, Henderson is clearly an improvement on what Liverpool already have, and at 21 he is sure to improve, so I'd be disappointed of they signed him.
Oh - wild guess - because the majority don't have £200 million to buy players for - and spending £20 million on one player takes away the majority of practically any clubs transfer kitty ??? Whereas £5 million - don't!
The point I was making is that if someone with the knowledge and experience of Sir Alex Ferguson decides to purchase a player for whatever price he obviously deems it good business. Or he wouldn't buy him.
Do people really think he'll over spend on one particular player and then think "oh shit - should've kept some money back"?
Clearly the clubs transfer plans will have been considered at length and very carefully. This to me is blidingly obvious, but some people seem to think Fergie will be buying players on a wing and a prayer depending on what he reads in The Sun.
Still, we're allowed to have opinions, right?
I mean the 60m spent on Verón and Berbatov could have been spent a lot better, even though I'm pretty sure that they were considered at length and very carefully.
Even Fergie gets it wrong sometimes and many of us feel that buying Henderson for 20m would be a wrong move. The transfer forum would be a bit pointless if in case of each new rumour we just said that "trust Fergie, if he wants him he must be good". Where'd be the fun?
if this is true, thank you pool.
we really don't need him, and I don't rate him so much. sounds to me like a "random" buy, no thanks. Cleverley is on his way back, don't know why we should spend for this lad, though.
we really don't need him, and I don't rate him so much. sounds to me like a "random" buy, no thanks. Cleverley is on his way back, don't know why we should spend for this lad, though.
Of course. And I'm just expressing mine.
I just find some of the comments ridiculous. Fans can and should always have an opinion but I find it daft the importance seemingly placed on how much a player might cost, especially in this case as the player in question is young and seems to be highly rated by a lot of people in the game.
Its almost as if people think Fergie would go and blow all of United's cash on a young lad even though the squad clearly needs experienced players in that area.
For what its worth its clear from my other posts on this thread that I think ths lad may develop into a fine player. I dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that Fergie thinks this lad might turn out to be very good and may be forced to bring plans forward due to interest from other clubs.
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