snubbed us my arse, we were never in for him, its all media bollocks
Henderson to Liverpool | Confirmed
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Where's the fun in that PM?
but, but Yolkie said....
Steve Bruce seems to think Fergie likes him. Seen a couple of interviews on local news up here where he's as good as admitted it.
"No smoke without fire" etc etc...
Bruce could also be doing that to increase his value
I remember Bruce saying Fergie/we wanted to sign palacios along with Valencia and Tottenham ended up paying 14m for Palacios
I remember Bruce saying Fergie/we wanted to sign palacios along with Valencia and Tottenham ended up paying 14m for Palacios
Perhaps - but he also enjoys a fairly good relationship with Fergie and the club with United generally in getting players on loan etc. Would be a dangerous game to play deliberately telling lies about the big man.
The valuation isn't up to Bruce though...entirely is it?
If Sunderland get a huge price for an overrated player like Henderson , they'd be laughing
The point I was making is that given that Sunderland and United seem to have a good relationship regarding loan or transfer of players, and also the fact that Bruce seems to get on well with Alex Ferguson I personally don't think he'd tell out and out lies about Fergie asking to be "kept informed" about one of his players.
Not sure how you define "overrated" - seems to be impressing plenty of people in football circles, hence a call up to the England Squad while Rodwell was kicking his heels in the 21's.
All young players start out somewhere - top footballers aren't always top footballers and IF Fergie deemed him worthy of pulling on a United shirt then I'd take his judgment over anyone on here.
Several sites carrying the story that Liverpool want him.
Apparently Liverpool are preparing a £13m bid for him as some sort of support to Carrol.
(The Times.)
(The Times.)
My Sunderland season ticket holder mate reckons its almost done.
Apprently away with under 21's but will be a Liverpool player as soon as the opens. £13 million offered, the Makems asked for £20 million but supposedly will settle for £15 - £16 million.
Terms supposedly agreed and he wants away.
Apprently.
Apprently away with under 21's but will be a Liverpool player as soon as the opens. £13 million offered, the Makems asked for £20 million but supposedly will settle for £15 - £16 million.
Terms supposedly agreed and he wants away.
Apprently.
Never been terribly impressed by him. Not concerned by him going to Liverpool. Not sure he will even get a game.
What the feck are Liverpool doing?
Henderson, Downing and Barton?
Haven't they learnt from Benitez?
Henderson, Downing and Barton?
Haven't they learnt from Benitez?
The hype that surrounded him for certain parts of the season was ridiculous, maybe I am a very bad judge of talent but with Henderson I don't see it.
I don't get the hype around this kid, some people on here seem to rave about him but I just don't see it.
I've been wrong on judging players a lot, but just don't see this guy as worth the hype he had early last season.
Yolkie said it was a done deal....in Yolkie we trust
Fabio Capello seems to.
Nowhere near the finished article but a fantastic engine and a great range of passing.
At a good club he could become a very good player. Would be a good move for him and for Liverpool potentially.
People being critical should consider the fact that our success has largely been based on a strong nucleus of British players.
According to skysports, the Sunderland's offer has been rejected.
Henderson has a "great range of passing" now? The feck he does! He has a great engine, there's no denying that, but his passing is simply average.
Eh?
He also capped Jay Bothroyd so I won't read too much into that.
I don't think his passing is all that, some of his passing is decent at times but nothing more than that.
He gets around the pitch and I have seen him have some good games but I don't see him becoming a top player, not by a long way.
But he is young and that could all change, I do however have my doubts.
Meant Liverpool's offer.
I like Henderson quite a lot more than most people. He does a lot of things very well and he deserves some hype, though the hype he has been getting this season I think has come for mostly the wrong reasons. The wrong reasons being his box-to-box play, his tireless running and stamina, covering every blade of grass etc. While he does have those qualities unless he develops a Lampardesque goal scoring threat combined with an ability to create in tight, central areas which I haven't seen from him, I think he would best be used as a defensive midfielder in the Carrick mould, and it's his positioning, defensive work rate and discipline, awareness, anticipation and assured (if unadventurous) passing that he should be getting hype for, though those qualities aren't really the type that the general public/media go for when hyping players so it's understandable that he hasn't.
Perhaps I'm underestimating his potential to develop into a more potent and varied attacking threat (both in terms of scoring himself and creating for others), but I think his focus should be on developing into more of a defensive specialist since that's where his strengths are; basically a more mobile, faster version of Carrick. The problem is that this type of player generally isn't appreciated/valued in England so he may never be in the right position to fulfill his potential. A round hole square peg type deal. Under the right tutelage and in the right team though I think he could become a very effective player.
Or maybe I'm wrong and the general consensus is right. I don't know. Let's just say that since quite a few people are hoping/expecting us to sign Rodwell that I think Henderson is currently clearly the better player and while Rodwell may have slightly more potential (though even that is debatable in my opinion) Henderson to me seems far more likely to actually fulfill his potential (owing to Rodwell's injuries as well as what I see as a kind of illusory potential coming from his obvious and impressive physical qualities and his maturity/aura/charisma hiding a lot of real deficiencies in his game which also relates to the aforementioned point viz. who has more potential).
Perhaps I'm underestimating his potential to develop into a more potent and varied attacking threat (both in terms of scoring himself and creating for others), but I think his focus should be on developing into more of a defensive specialist since that's where his strengths are; basically a more mobile, faster version of Carrick. The problem is that this type of player generally isn't appreciated/valued in England so he may never be in the right position to fulfill his potential. A round hole square peg type deal. Under the right tutelage and in the right team though I think he could become a very effective player.
Or maybe I'm wrong and the general consensus is right. I don't know. Let's just say that since quite a few people are hoping/expecting us to sign Rodwell that I think Henderson is currently clearly the better player and while Rodwell may have slightly more potential (though even that is debatable in my opinion) Henderson to me seems far more likely to actually fulfill his potential (owing to Rodwell's injuries as well as what I see as a kind of illusory potential coming from his obvious and impressive physical qualities and his maturity/aura/charisma hiding a lot of real deficiencies in his game which also relates to the aforementioned point viz. who has more potential).
To letranger's post: this is what Bruce had to say about him after his England debut.
His manager clearly seems to think that he'd be better off as a poor man's Steven Gerrard than a disciplined defensive midfielder. I'm not very keen on these "needs to rampage up and down the pitch" type of players: usually their rampaging serves to hide their inadequate positional discipline.
His manager clearly seems to think that he'd be better off as a poor man's Steven Gerrard than a disciplined defensive midfielder. I'm not very keen on these "needs to rampage up and down the pitch" type of players: usually their rampaging serves to hide their inadequate positional discipline.
Still think he's a good prospect. Alot more to come from him as well.
Yeah - like Wesley Sneijder (or any of number other "attacking" midfield players) - "rampaging" all over and scoring goals/creating chances for other players.
If he's not a defensive player, he's not a defensive player. Good job United didn't take that attitude with Paul Scholes when he was breaking through.
Seems to be a general consenus on here that any young player should already be the finished article. This seems to be especially the case when a player is English (Rodwell and Henderson being the case in point) despite the fact that most fans would happily see the club spunk £30 million on a south american who's never played in the PL and doesn't speak english because he's more exotic.
As I've said before - United have a strong tradition of English players and have benefitted greatly from that. Even Chelsea had Lampard, Terry and Cole in their recent glory days - largely because you'll get plenty of graft and commitment when the chips are down.
This lad is very young, playing in an average and unglamorous side - and has managed to get himself an England cap while seemingly being very highly rated by some very good clubs - probably because they see the potential he has.
No reason why he cant develop into a fine midfield player at the right club as he seems to have all the neccessary tools to do so. Liverpool could do a lot worse that sign him and that kid from Wigan they're being linked with - may develop into top players and aren't likely to want to piss of to Spain as soon as soon as they reach their potential.
Belittle it all you like. Capello picked the lad to start in a key position against a very good side.
Its never set in stone whether a player will become teh player he can be. What this lad seems to have though is desire and commitment. Read a few interviews with him and by all accounts is a very quiet and unasuming lad who's was until very recently advised by his dad. Seems he just wants to play football.
Watched quite a lot of him and seems to have the composure of a player older than his years that all top players seem to have from a young age.
That marks him out for me as a one to watch.
Watched him a lot - in the flesh a couple of times as well and I don't agree. Decent short and long passing and has a great cross - hence why he's often deployed out wide on the right.
My (extremely sensible) season ticket holder pal said his passing is excellent, good workrate - only drawback is his poor tackling.
Reckons he's the best young player he's seen in a very long time at Sunderland and even the year before last said the big clubs would be sniffing around him once he got a few games under his belt.
I wouldn't say that I 'belittled' anything to be fair, he played in a friendly, I'm sorry but to me that doesn't count for all too much.
I have also watched quite-a-bit of him and I haven't seen anything 'outstanding' but then again I did say that he is young and that could all change.
He has had flashes of good but has also been wildly inconsistent at times. Personally I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered if he moved to any of our rivals, I could one day rue that comment but only time will tell.
Paul Scholes and Wesley Sneijder were (indeed, Sneijder still is) attacking midfielders, with brilliant passing ability and creativity. Scholes scored goals as well. Neither was ever a "rampaging" midfielder.
Henderson doesn't seem especially creative - certainly not in the Scholes mould - and he scored a grand total of 6 goals in 89 career appearances. Is he a great passer of the ball? Well, from what I've seen of him, he's OK but not outstanding in that respect.
Is he good enough to become a Roy Keane or a Bryan Robson who could do the job of two players? I don't think so. He'd be OK as a squad player though if we sign him I'll expect him to go the way of Scott Parker.
The Chief thinks Henderson will be OH's replacement.
the same friend who thinks Welbeck isn't much good, eh?
Come off it mate, we all hate Liverpool but that's a tidy bit of business for them.
Downing > Joe Cole - Downing has a brilliant range of crossing which will prove useful with Carrol.
Barton > Poulsen
Under Benitez it would of been X = Cole and X = Poulsen. Where X represents a new signing who has the same skill set as their other benched players.
And with Henderson he's only 20. The amount of dismissing he's getting in this thread is absurd. At 20 he's a full fledged starter on a respectable team and has been capped by country.
If you look at his skill set and attributes, I think he can develop into Liverpool's answer to Fletcher and Mikel. Runners with decent passing, but capable of putting in a nice defensive 90 minutes when you need to break down teams physically. He needs to work on his tackling, but the rest is there for him to develop and he has time on his hands. Perhaps he could become a Hargreaves - good engine, good range of passing, decent tackling.
He's a reliable player. And we laugh at others who dismiss Park, O'Shea, and Fletcher, claiming they are limited and say it's hard workers like them who make the difference over a season.
He and Barton will be utilized to give Gerrard more freedom due to his age and inability to run his heart out any more.
I think people on here are underestimating 'Pool far too much. Under King Kenny they had a huge turnaround and if momentum continues, they could push quite hard for a 5/6th finish with owners now who are smarter and more willing to dip into the transfer market in a way that'll actually make an impact on the club.
82 – Only four players created more goalscoring chances in the 2010/11 PL season than Sunderland’s Jordan Henderson (82). Target.
Not say they're not good players but they're not signings by themselves which worry me. And the longer Pool stay out of the top four, the harder they'll find it to get back in.
I've never said that as far as I can recall.
Said he's a decent player and they'd happily have him. Was indeed pleased when he was hearing rumours they were making a bid.
I asked him whether he though he was United quaility - i.e. did he see him as being a regular for United long term and he suggested probably not, particularly given the current situation at United re strikers.
I personally think thats a fairly honest opinion.
All a case of opinion. Scholes played a lot of his career (indeed probably most of it) in the middle of a four man midfield. He had to make tackes and get up the pitch.
He may very well not ever be as good as Bryan Robson or Roy keane - (incidentaly two of the greatest players ever to play their trade in England) but according to the post above he's created a lot of chances for his team mates - some people on here love a good stat so make of it what you will.
Besides - I've never said United should go and get him. Simply stated that he could become a very good player at the right club.
I've watched a fair bit of him and rate him as a good propsect based on what I've seen for the reasons above. he may not be right for United and it largely depends on what Fergie intends to do this year re rebuilding - doesnt make me rate him any less.
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