Henderson to Liverpool | Confirmed

[amolbhatia50k]

Double-edged sword I guess. Yes, they're spending, but would it make you happy if we went and spent £50m on Rodwell and Jones? The money they are spending far outweighs the quality they have gotten for it... £75m-odd for Henderson, Carroll and Suarez? No thanks.

However, it does show that Liverpool will be competing at the top in 4/5 years and it is quite admirable how they've planned their recovery.

Thing is, I'm not interested in Liverpool's finances like I am with ours. So if they are improving then that's something to think about. Whether they spend 200 million or 2 million they are getting better.

But to be honest, it's Suarez that makes the difference. The others don't strike any fear in me but they've found that one who is real quality so the rest being upgrades but not world beaters isn't the worst thing.

 

[SecondFig]

Leave RedRover alone, he has a friend who is a Sunderland fan, who is the final authority on youngsters' potential. His friend rates Henderson highly, so all arguments about the price are meaningless.

Oh and I forgot Welbeck is a decent player at Sunderland's level

Are you saying we should expect a bid, that we should accept a bid, or just wumming?

But, in my opinion, for what it's worth, Welbeck looks to have a lot of potential and we'd be made to sell him this summer

 

[sajeev]

Are you saying we should expect a bid, that we should accept a bid, or just wumming?

But, in my opinion, for what it's worth, Welbeck looks to have a lot of potential and we'd be made to sell him this summer

read my post in full, i was just repeating RedRover's friend's opinion.

Personally I am on record stating that Welbeck will be on the list of WPOTY nominees during his career (hopefully soon and with us)

 

[Unam333]

I would have been really disappointed if United bought him. Liverpool signed him though, and I feel he will be a good signing for them.

 

[Denis' cuff]

read my post in full, i was just repeating RedRover's friend's opinion.

Personally I am on record stating that Welbeck will be on the list of WPOTY nominees during his career (hopefully soon and with us)

I am on record stating I'll be happy if he becomes MUFCPOTY

 

[Decotron]

now the 24 million that City paid for Milner doesn't look all that bad.actually Liverpool seem hell-bent on proving in their own way that they be big players in the transfer market by spending money more recklessly than City

Nah it still does.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Dear god, 20m. Madness by Pool.

 

[RedRover]

Because it's like measuring all transfers against an outlier, a freak transfer, when they should clearly be measured against some sort of market average. Everyone, and I mean everyone, accepts that the Bebe deal was well over the odds (and more than a bit dodgy), so there's absolutely no point comparing other transfers to it, unless your aim is to say "this is as dodgy as the Bebe transfer"

I don't want to labour a point - but clearly Manchester United did not. Or they wouldn't have paid it.

I am also not comparing specific transfers per se - Indeed on other threads (particularly the one on Andy Carroll) I stated my opinion that the price of a player depends on various factors including nationality, intention of the player and relative positions of buying or selling clubs.

My point was a simple one which I didn't suspect would be all that controversial - that the criticism of Liverpool in "paying over the odds" for certain players (including as some seem to thin, Henderson) can be levelled at lots of other clubs - including United.

 

[humdinger]

He is a decent player with potential. Seems to be very level-headed and is an established premier league player and has even been capped. That's some money for him though - hopefully it doesn't artifically inflate other players prices.

2 birds with one stone for Liverpool though - signing a player and getting rid of N'Gog.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

That's more than Spurs paid for Modric

Unproven talent is lovely eh ?

Its about risk, gamble on unproven talent ( Hernandez's, Modric's etc... ) Or buy proven PL players with PL experience...

But again, I wouldn't pay anything more than 14m for Henderson, has done just a bit more than Smalling when he played for Fulham.

 

[TheHorse'sMouth]

Henderson is a decent player, but I don't see how he is going to be an upgrade on what they've already got in the likes of Shelvey and Spearing.

 

[Siorac]

Because it's like measuring all transfers against an outlier, a freak transfer, when they should clearly be measured against some sort of market average. Everyone, and I mean everyone, accepts that the Bebe deal was well over the odds (and more than a bit dodgy), so there's absolutely no point comparing other transfers to it, unless your aim is to say "this is as dodgy as the Bebe transfer"

Yeah, there was definitely something fishy, behind-the-scene stuff there which we're not aware of.

Or this is how we attempted to hike the prices up. In that case, I present you Andy Carroll for 35M and Jordan Henderson for 20M. Brilliant from SAF!

 

[RedRover]

You used the Bebe transfer in comparison which was a moronic way of judging any transfer.

I can say that we signed a French and Serbian International for the same amount as Liverpool have signed a U21 player.

How does the Henderson deal looks in comparison now?

I don't understand why its "moronic"? United paid for a player they believe to have potential as have Liverpool.

Regardless - as my post above will hopefully show people are reading far too much into this, it was simply a way of pointing out that no clubs are immune to "paying over the odds" for players, and that Manchester United have done so in the past.

In answering you question, given that neither of said players had played in any of Europe's top leagues before hand it could be argued that both were risky signings at the time and I suspect some fans may have advocated going after some "proven" PL talent instead.

Both settled and have been outstanding, and both have probably surprised a lot of people with how well they've done.

The ultimate test of value in any player will be in how they turn out in the long run and I was simply trying to back up previous earlier posts that I think Liverpool have potentially done some good business.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Let's just hope there aren't any last minute hitches.

 

[IL_DUCE]

If he succeeds in the transition from talent to established player; I am sure this will prove to be a good signing for Liverpool. I am however not disappointed that this also means that he does not come to us. I would argue that this is a very high price for a player who still has not shown much more than potential. We already have a lot of potential in a very good squad. Although of course we have room for more, I believe that our priorities should be aimed at strengthening our preferred line up. Henderson thus falls outside the focus area IMO.

 

[Red Defence]

Relieved he's not coming to us anyway.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

So Liverpoo are now a forward light. More splarging must be on the horizon.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

Henderson is a decent player, but I don't see how he is going to be an upgrade on what they've already got in the likes of Shelvey and Spearing.

Shelvey is more of a winger no ?

And I agree on Spearing, I think Spearing actually has a better shot and is really underrated in a way... His outings after Gerrards injuries were pretty good.

So now, Lucas/Henderson/Spearing/Merieles/Gerrard/Aquilani fighting for 3 positions in their MF...

Not that bad imo...

 

[VoetbalWizard]

So Liverpoo are now a forward light. More splarging must be on the horizon.

connor wickham supposedly.

has the BNP taken over liverpool?

 

[Plan M]

20 mill for Jordan fecking Henderson?! The world has officially gone mad!

Liverpoor need new centre backs, a left back and desperate for two proper wingers and King Kenny signs another midfielder!

 

[SecondFig]

read my post in full, i was just repeating RedRover's friend's opinion.

Personally I am on record stating that Welbeck will be on the list of WPOTY nominees during his career (hopefully soon and with us)

I read your post in full, it didn't make any sense.

Now you've clarified it, and it does.

 

[Mighty Boosh]

20 mill for Jordan fecking Henderson?! The world has officially gone mad!

Teams always have to pay over the odds for English talent, it's nothing new really just look at the prices for Milner, Barry and Lescott.

 

[LARulz]

Who's the one who buys the players at Liverpool? They need a serious slap or two if they think £20 million for him is a good deal.

 

[Plan M]

Teams always have to pay over the odds for English talent, it's nothing new really just look at the prices for Milner, Barry and Lescott.

Yes I do know this, it's just that I thought King Kenny and Liverpool were supposed to be going in the right direction, not signing average players like Henderson for £20 million!

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Who's the one who buys the players at Liverpool? They need a serious slap or two if they think £20 million for him is a good deal.

The same who thought 35m was a good deal for Carroll...go figure

 

[Devil may care]

20 mill for Jordan fecking Henderson?! The world has officially gone mad!

Liverpoor need new centre backs, a left back and desperate for two proper wingers and King Kenny signs another midfielder!

It's possible that Dalglish is planning to use him on the right as quite a few Sunderland fans think he's better out there than central.

 

[M'n'M]

People here are so obsessed with Bebe that it's not even funny. Some real idiots around here. Why not compare Henderson's deal with Evra, Vidic, Hernandez?

Would it look a decent deal as compared to those?

Or Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves as they all actually play in the same position and went for similar fees

The bottom line is that the players I have mentioned were all part of a successful team so the transfer fee is seen as good value. It will be the same with Henderson. If we get ten years out of him and achieve success then his transfer fee will be irrelevant. As it stands £13m + NGog sounds like an excellent deal all round.

will reserve judgement. Fee seems a bit over the top though. The famous "English tax" on top again

Me too. I havent' seen enough of thim to be excited about the player but I'm not overly bothered about the fee.

connor wickham supposedly.

Fingers crossed

Who's the one who buys the players at Liverpool? They need a serious slap or two if they think £20 million for him is a good deal.

Or a hand-shake if it is indeed £13m + Ngog. Fine lines etc.

 

[RedRover]

Seems this thread has gone a bit quiet now United are suppsedly splashing a similar amount of cash for a young English player - cue the United tinted specs.

Henderson: "the scousers have been ripped off, too expensive, waste of money, only because he's english" etc etc.

Jones: "great signing, well done Fergie, great potential, bargain for such a young player" etc etc.

Oh the irony

 

[Blair]

Nobody gives a feck about Henderson any more, and rightly so.

 

[Raven Blade]

According to Sky, it's 16.5Mil plus N'Gog which sounds about right tbh.

For that price I think it's a good deal for the Scouse. I'm glad we're settting our sights higher than him. £20M would have been very funny for a player who I think is decent, with the potential to become good, rather than great.

I'm a bit worried about Sunderland though. Bruce is allowing his squad to get picked apart too easily. They need to bring in some serious players if they want to match or exceed last season.

 

[KM]

Or Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves as they all actually play in the same position and went for similar fees

The bottom line is that the players I have mentioned were all part of a successful team so the transfer fee is seen as good value. It will be the same with Henderson. If we get ten years out of him and achieve success then his transfer fee will be irrelevant. As it stands £13m + NGog sounds like an excellent deal all round.

People here were saying that 20Mil was expensive for Scousers, however that 13Mil plus N'Gog is a good deal for you guys. My original issue was with the guy because he compared this deal with Bebe who was a one-off.

 

[M'n'M]

Seems this thread has gone a bit quiet now United are suppsedly splashing a similar amount of cash for a young English player - cue the United tinted specs.

Henderson: "the scousers have been ripped off, too expensive, waste of money, only because he's english" etc etc.

Jones: "great signing, well done Fergie, great potential, bargain for such a young player" etc etc.

Oh the irony

Spot on. And a defender to boot when everyone can see it's your midfield needs re-enforcing. The similarities are boundless

 

[RedRover]

For that price I think it's a good deal for the Scouse. I'm glad we're settting our sights higher than him. £20M would have been very funny for a player who I think is decent, with the potential to become good, rather than great.

I'm a bit worried about Sunderland though. Bruce is allowing his squad to get picked apart too easily. They need to bring in some serious players if they want to match or exceed last season.

Seems they are realistic. If a "bigger" club comes in for a player and the player wants out then they try to get as much money as they can.

They'll have plenty of cash to bring in new players given the Bent and Henderson deals (if the latter goes through). They're supposedly signing Westwood (Coventry Keeper) and another player on a free this week - as well as being in for Vaughn from Balckpool on a free who has looked decent.

Big problem for them - as always, will be convincing players to move to the North East.

 

[Skywarden]

Henderson is a decent player, but I don't see how he is going to be an upgrade on what they've already got in the likes of Shelvey and Spearing.

Well said.

 

[KM]

Seems this thread has gone a bit quiet now United are suppsedly splashing a similar amount of cash for a young English player - cue the United tinted specs.

Henderson: "the scousers have been ripped off, too expensive, waste of money, only because he's english" etc etc.

Jones: "great signing, well done Fergie, great potential, bargain for such a young player" etc etc.

Oh the irony

Hardly all of those posts were made, when it was said that Jones is going to sign for Liverpool.

P.Jones will become an excellent player. His positional sense and tackling ability for his age is already outstanding..that's half the fight done for defenders. He'll develop into one of the world's best.

Rumour he's having a medical at Liverpool. Annoying if he is, top player, great potential.

I will be gutted if Phil Jones signs for the Scousers, he is an excellent talent.

Another thing I have noticed about Jones is that he has a big game mentality. For someone so young that is impressive.

jones is one of the few young players out there, whether english or not that i will be very happy to see us sign, even for something close to 20m.

I rate Jones highly, future England CB in the making.

If we can land him cheap... 16m isn't bad... Only 4m more than Smalling mind you...

I'd take that in a jiffy and we'll have 3 of the best young CB's waiting to line up for Rio/Vidic which would be great... Thats another 10 years sorted.

Jones can play as a defensive midfielder too though can't he? Very much like Rodwell and half the price. Might be worth a punt.

He gave City the run around on Monday night. Good engine on him. Wouldn't mind him at all.

Quality little player this lad.

He looks a really good player. Quite similar to Smalling in that he's more of a footballer than someone who attacks the ball though.

I think he`s quality, english, can play in defence+midfield and PL proven.

 

[antihenry]

I must say I was never particularly impressed by Henderson whenever I've seen him, but he is very highly rated.

I also noticed Dalglish is aiming at building an English core at LFC. Splashing on Carroll, going after Jones and now Henderson.

 

[M'n'M]

I must say I was never particularly impressed by Henderson whenever I've seen him, but he is very highly rated.

I also noticed Dalglish is aiming at building an English core at LFC. Splashing on Carroll, going after Jones and now Henderson.

and hopefully Wickham.

 

[KM]

and hopefully Wickham.

Must say I'm surprised that there is no Liverpool's interest in Chamberlain, he would completely fit the profile of the type of signings, you guys are looking for.

 

[RedRover]

Hardly all of those posts were made, when it was said that Jones is going to sign for Liverpool.

I'm not sure I understand?

I was pointing out the fact that both clubs are signing young talented players, from English clubs for sizeable fees, both to play in areas where each respective side seems to be fairly strong.

One has been hailed (in general) as a giant waste of money - the other a transfer masterstroke.

Am I the only person to be amused by this blatant bias?

Maybe those making such comments are so well quailifed in scouting players that they can see that our deal is obviously good, while the scousers is so obviously bad. In which case I bow to superior knowledge.

 

[Rado_N]

I'm not sure I understand?

I was pointing out the fact that both clubs are signing young talented players, from English clubs for sizeable fees, both to play in areas where each respective side seems to be fairly strong.

One has been hailed (in general) as a giant waste of money - the other a transfer masterstroke.

Am I the only person to be amused by this blatant bias?

Maybe those making such comments are so well quailifed in scouting players that they can see that our deal is obviously good, while the scousers is so obviously bad. In which case I bow to superior knowledge.

Maybe people rate Jones but don't rate Henderson.

Odd, I know, but being young and English doesn't make them the same.

And all the quotes he just posted show that it's not bias, seeing as people were still saying how good Jones is when it looked like he was going to Liverpool.