Getting removed from the England squad had to happen really. He'll be back.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
Be interesting to see what Man United do.
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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There you go. As I said, you can morally be in the right and/or it can be a stitch up, but you still cannot expect commercial organisations to let their reputation be tarnished on your behalf. It’s going to be real difficult for him to keep the United captaincy.
Southgate hung him out to dry with that today. Shouldn’t have included him in the first place and just said due to the ongoing situation it’s better if Harry sits these games out.
Safest way for him is to avoid Greece
What do the club do at the end of the season. “Bye bye millions of pounds of assets, have a nice holiday, be good and see you later”
Surely they should be advising players of pitfalls and recommending/making sure they take an army of minders with them?
We are talking hundreds of million s pounds of assets invested in young, naive, rich, flashy lads. If I was in charge of MUFC or any orher big club I would be protecting my assets all year round
Surely they should be advising players of pitfalls and recommending/making sure they take an army of minders with them?
We are talking hundreds of million s pounds of assets invested in young, naive, rich, flashy lads. If I was in charge of MUFC or any orher big club I would be protecting my assets all year round
Perhaps we arent making any signings this summer so we can pay his bail
Yeah, too much noise round him for this break plus Southgate is supposed to be zero tolerance on stuff like this.
Yep. Thought that was what he would do. He actually shouldn't have picked any City or United players.
Ahh God, I hope for his sake the people involved get to the bottom of this because if he’s done nowt wrong it could still have an impact on his career.
But if he was paying them off I assume he’d pay enough not to be found guilty and have his entire reputation destroyed?
@NYAS Nightmare.
I'd say we should withdraw his captaincy and we should pull him out of any sponsorship adverts etc. Any fines etc should wait after the appeal.
Southgate made himself look like a complete dick now, not that that is difficult
Couldn't care less about England. Glad it's sorted. He can stay Captain but maybe not in the Greek away games.
Maybe he didn't have enough money even on Manchester United wages. Greece has a big debt.
Southgate is an idiot.
Neither of us can say what you just wrote, you don't know what they had prepared and in that type of cases it's generally just about bringing witnesses and using precedents. Also the way you are supposed to work as a jurist means that you will also have the precedents for upgraded or downgraded cases. There is nothing strange or fishy here, that's how things work in and around court.
Bit weird to include him, and then withdraw him. Especially in light of what seems a dodgy court case. Surely it would have been better for all to leave him out before all this was decided. Just say that it isn't the right time to play him and his head isn't in the right place? Fair enough he was found guilty but weird move to drop him considering the weird circumstances, if not to keep the press focus off him.
You don't start things with if when you decrete that something is fishy. And I don't know the procedure, so I'm not going to have an opinion on it.
The timing’s certainly unfortunate.
I don't think so. It makes sense for him to be withdrawn from the squad given the matches are next week.
It will blow over eventually and he'll probably be in the next squad, I'd think.
As others have said he should not have picked him. Now the papers will be all over it. Lad has enough to think about.
Looking at what you write about when you answer a post about captain qualities and leadership, I understand that you don’t really know what such words normally refer to. You have an idea it might have to to with ‘being popular’, ‘part of the in group’, ‘being older’, ‘having won titles’, ‘being the best player’, and apart from that leadership seems like something vague and magical to you. Starting from there it’s a long way to go to explain my opinions. It’s more to do with things like how you in word or deed show and inspire team mentality in good and particularily in bad times, on the pitch, in the dressing room, in the training ground and outside of the football surroundings.
I’ll say that I am not at all sure if Maguire is the best leader in United’s group of players, or were so from July 19 to January 20 which is the period you were referring to when he in your statement did nothing to earn the captaincy. Unlike you, who know for a fact that Paul Pogba is twice the leader, and that Ashley Young was a terrible one, I don’t have inside information. I watch the games, read interviews and journalistic pieces and take an educated guess.
One such guess is that Solskjær in addition to watching Leicester footage and talking to United’s scouts has seen Maguire on the training ground since he arrived, talked to Mike Phelan who knew him from Hull and Rashford and Lingard who knew him from the NT, tried him out by giving him the armband several times, and then evaluated all of that from the perspective of what Solskjær wants from a captain, and what he thought United needed from a captain at the time, and concluded that he was more suited for the role of club captain than the Paul Pogba whose agent was in direct confrontation with the club at the time, who seemed to most to be advocating to leave the club, and whom he’d seen in games and on the training ground since the previous December. It strikes me as incredibly unlikely that being French or English were important factors in all of that. Similarily with De Gea on other counts.
Several people who played with him or trained him have spoken about Maguire as a natural captain and leader. I’ve not heard or read much about De Gea in the same vein. I have about Pogba though, although to me it has always read as ‘he has some leadership qualities in abundance (like inspirational team talks , being a caring team mate and positivity in training) while maybe lacking in others (like his decision making and body language going south when the team struggles or he himself struggles). What do I know if these players and coaches are talking piss? I tend to believe some of it anyway, as they can see where I can’t, and also based on watching said decision making and body language, but I don’t really know for sure. If it hadn’t been for the public contract discussions, maybe Pogs would gave gotten the nod? We’ll never know, because it was a fact that his employed agent actively and publicly advocated for his sale, criticised the club, and he himself said nothing publicly to dampen it. If you think he was going to be made club captain under such circumstances had he just had an English passport, I think I’ll leave it at that.
Or maybe they demanded a bribe and were told to piss off? That would explain an awful lot.
Truth is nobody knows what's gone on but it's definitely not as straight forward as those coppers are making out.
Zeus, Hera, Poseidon and Artemis conspiring to make that happen, as we speak.
The solution is obvious.
Manchester United should buy Jadon Sancho and give him the captaincy while Harry Maguire reflects upon what he has done as a vice captain. .
Manchester United should buy Jadon Sancho and give him the captaincy while Harry Maguire reflects upon what he has done as a vice captain. .
Disagree, innocent until proving guilty so I don't see any issue including him. Given the verdict and charges I can now understand the decision to drop him. I think we should also remove the captaincy, hopefully he wins the appeal in the future but he certainly wasn't beyond reproach.
They would be all over it anyway, but agree that he shouldn't have included him. If it was huge couple of games maybe, but not for Nations League.
It was a joke based on another news item from today about the British Armed Forces.
I say not
For us it s better, he needs a rest
He can rest for 21 months.
It's not a claim. It's well documented by multiple organizations, including Transparency International among others.
https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/greece/
Ole is famous for standing up for his players, and I´d be really surprised if this will have any consequences at United. My money on Maguire being the captain also the coming season (unless he him suggests to pass it to someone else). I can´t see Ole wanting to punish him for this.
Won't have been his decision alone.
I’m not denying there are precedents; I’m saying that when you put everything together it doesn’t look great for integrity. You even said in France that if such a situation happens they have the right to delay and ask for more time. I would assume that’s a right; as in it cannot be rejected, and would be automatically granted. Such a request made by Maguire’s legal team was rejected. Therefore there’s no right for a defendant to do that in Greece; only to request it. Is that not strange to you?
I apparently live in a brutal monarchy but people I’ve asked here have said at the very least that in the case that defendants get their charges altered in a quick trial they have the right as in France to delay the hearing to prepare a legal defence. That’s why it seems strange to me.
I have already said that the UK is also a joke in this thread.. so well done.
Maguire is from South Yorkshire, he grew up with a corrupt police force. Having a trial where the defence wasn't given the evidence and enough time to defend themselves is a joke. Like you based on your post there.
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I doubt Harry is an Angel.
But based on personal experience I would not trust the word of any Greek policeman or official, and especially on Mykonos
But based on personal experience I would not trust the word of any Greek policeman or official, and especially on Mykonos
I think they built the case but without the evidences shared early enough, they were basically building in the blind. If you have 3 witnesses out of nowhere that you could not find but somehow the police could find, it's most likely kind of hard to defend against.
Hopefully they win the appeal with a much improved defense.
I would bet there will be a behind the scenes chat and Maguire will give up the captaincy "voluntarily".
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