The club also referred to this though didn't specifically mention the 2-hour thing.
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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You came in with an irrelevant point, which is often used as a stick to beat him with.
I'm not sure what you wanted me to say.
Players that weren't sold were given extended contracts... And?
Shit, this is the most ridiculous bit of whataboutery I've seen on the caf. Well done. No one has said he should be released without charge. The defendant's character is a valid argument at trial, though, and despite the sham trial, seems to have been considered by the court.I'm not English, so not sure what this is about?
What we do know is that Greece is the second most corrupt country in the EU. This is verifyably true and counts for something when considering the whole sketchy affair. From the one sided arrests, unfair discovery, speedy show trial and inflated sentence that's conveniently suspended.Gosh, this makes it all seem so simple. Why is everyone in such an uproar about it then? A player shouldn't be sacked, sold or stripped of the captaincy for a wee bust up on the lash.
Let's see, someone apparently attacked his sister and he stood up for her. Some other people intervened and weren't recognizable as cops, maybe got shoved to the ground. Seems like a stand up guy to me. It's not like he was pummeling uniformed officers.
Since we don't know how they spent their evening, Rashford and Williams actions are irrelevant to the discussion.
Not why, how. He may need people around him to tote the biscuit, so to speak. What we probably know is that Harry hasn't ever felt a need to have that sort of safety net before. Until now, I doubt that Maguire has seen a need for that. By all accounts he's a down to earth, normal guy who, perhaps naively, didn't think that there'd be people out there potentially wanting to exploit who he is.
Cheers for that summary. I appreciate it.
Points 4 and 5 are the crucial ones. Sounds like a stitch up, to be honest. Van taking them to a police station instead of the hospital and then coming across plain clothes officers, resulting in a scuffle. It doesn't really add up.
So, what will happen next? Will he get fine? Or go to jail? Or appeal??
I can't say I'm surprised
What makes it worse is that the defence team didn't get the charges until 2 hours before the trial. They had little time to prepare for this case.
He might have even been there before and had no trouble. The fact they let him leave the country tells me they had absolutely no intention of jailing him, then that fool saying if he had apologised it would have all gone away also says a lot.
I'm not English, so not sure what this is about?
Gosh, this makes it all seem so simple. Why is everyone in such an uproar about it then? A player shouldn't be sacked, sold or stripped of the captaincy for a wee bust up on the lash.
Let's see, someone apparently attacked his sister and he stood up for her. Some other people intervened and weren't recognizable as cops, maybe got shoved to the ground. Seems like a stand up guy to me. It's not like he was pummeling uniformed officers.
Since we don't know how they spent their evening, Rashford and Williams actions are irrelevant to the discussion.
Not why, how. He may need people around him to tote the biscuit, so to speak. What we probably know is that Harry hasn't ever felt a need to have that sort of safety net before. Until now, I doubt that Maguire has seen a need for that. By all accounts he's a down to earth, normal guy who, perhaps naively, didn't think that there'd be people out there potentially wanting to exploit who he is.
Yeah I get you but not all Greek police are corrupt in the same way that not all English footballers get into fights abroad
I'm not saying they are, it's a question of likelihood. IMO, the probability tends toward the police being dodgy rather than Maguire.
I'm not sure if I follow, he was arrested Thursday, his lawyers have been on the case since at least Friday, they had more than two hours to build their case and find witnesses. Now they may use the fact that the prosecution confirmed the charges and provided their own evidences yesterday but there is nothing special about it and there is nothing fishy about it either, it's fairly normal for that type of basic cases pretty much everywhere. If they want to appeal, they can and that's what they have done but without more elements I don't see where is the fishy part.
Please stop. This is not the thread for sensibility. Let's hang the cnut.
the guy has been an idiot it would seem but sheesh, he's a pro footballer - he's let himself and the club down, but if the club supports him after this then I'm ok with their decision. No more hols or club tours to the US either?
He's been given a suspended sentence which he is appealing.
It’s fascinating how strongly people feel about this issue in both directions. On the one hand the calls for him to be sacked, captaincy stripped etc are unnecessary suggestions. On the other hand, the folks who are so rabidly declaring that it’s a farce and there’s no way he would have done this, the police are probably making it up, the trial is a sham etc are also going a bit too far. Can we not just accept that it’s somewhere in the middle?
He’s a young, rich guy. Young rich guys do stupid things quite a lot. In fact they’re probably prone to doing things like this more most other groups. It’s life, it happens. No need to sell him or remove his captaincy or whatever, but at the same time we can accept that he’s probably in the wrong here without needing to try to prove that he’s an angel and this is them trying to nail him to a post.
He’s a young, rich guy. Young rich guys do stupid things quite a lot. In fact they’re probably prone to doing things like this more most other groups. It’s life, it happens. No need to sell him or remove his captaincy or whatever, but at the same time we can accept that he’s probably in the wrong here without needing to try to prove that he’s an angel and this is them trying to nail him to a post.
If they have requested certain evidence to be released to help their case and it hasn't, it could be seen as dodgy.
He and his brother and friend are all charged with misdemeanors. Those don't result in being in prison long term.
Can see the Greek police try to use Maguire as an example because of the public figure he is, which is not uncommon for countries or cities to do so they can have the light shine on them a little bit, or prosecutors. What we haven't heard about are the instigators of this circumstance, not that anybody cares.
And yes, because if they're plain clothes officers, and when you're a visitor and when things get a little bit hairy in terms of an altercation with the group you're with, pushing and shoving and getting physical with others is going to happen.
This has already gotten blown out of proportion. I honestly do not believe this should be used against Harry and him getting the armband taken away. In fact, it could be (but probably won't) used as an us against everybody else (siege mentality) because he's going to get stick from everyone and United will do their best to protect him and just move on. Nobody fecking got hurt or die. There was a clear altercation and context must be given.
Can see the Greek police try to use Maguire as an example because of the public figure he is, which is not uncommon for countries or cities to do so they can have the light shine on them a little bit, or prosecutors. What we haven't heard about are the instigators of this circumstance, not that anybody cares.
And yes, because if they're plain clothes officers, and when you're a visitor and when things get a little bit hairy in terms of an altercation with the group you're with, pushing and shoving and getting physical with others is going to happen.
This has already gotten blown out of proportion. I honestly do not believe this should be used against Harry and him getting the armband taken away. In fact, it could be (but probably won't) used as an us against everybody else (siege mentality) because he's going to get stick from everyone and United will do their best to protect him and just move on. Nobody fecking got hurt or die. There was a clear altercation and context must be given.
My point was irrelevant because you simply didn't want to hear it it seems. Your claim that Ole is a ruthless coach is something I disagree with. If that's beating him with stick in your mind, you should probably take a break from being on discussion forums.
Sounds like a total stitch up. Time for the fans to get behind him as I'm sure his teammates will knowing the true story.
Maybe they actually offered and paid the bribe.
Don't think it is even that we don't think Harry is innocent of everything, more the police have embroidered it to make it look worse than it was, while overlooking what apparently happened to his sister.
Haven't had a post in a while, I have become more of a thread voyeur (Sancho thread being my current aphrodisiac)
Interesting reading some of the comments here. This is like the Cantona issue, if reports are to be believed about Harry's sister. His reaction is understandable if that was the cause of the whole incident.
In hindsight or if he would have been sober, the reaction would probably have been different, especially if he did in fact resist arrest and assault the police. Regardless if the Greek police is corrupt or not, I don't think that Harry had no fault in the matter. He will learn from this and move on. The club should just fine him, and that's it, stripping of the captaincy would be excessive. United should support him, but that doesn't mean overlooking that that fact he should done better.
Interesting reading some of the comments here. This is like the Cantona issue, if reports are to be believed about Harry's sister. His reaction is understandable if that was the cause of the whole incident.
In hindsight or if he would have been sober, the reaction would probably have been different, especially if he did in fact resist arrest and assault the police. Regardless if the Greek police is corrupt or not, I don't think that Harry had no fault in the matter. He will learn from this and move on. The club should just fine him, and that's it, stripping of the captaincy would be excessive. United should support him, but that doesn't mean overlooking that that fact he should done better.
Mr Anagnostakis(Maguire's laywer) said video evidence, shot by someone outside police station, allegedly showed the three defendants being 'mistreated' by officers and he needed time to view the footage.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/man-utd-harry-maguire-statement-18828127
Seems a total farce if true.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/man-utd-harry-maguire-statement-18828127
Seems a total farce if true.
Maguire has my 100% support, best captain in a good while and feck all y'all who think differently
It's amazing how we had a full on 4 months of hearing how police are lairs, and any altercation with them is their word against the publics and the only way they are believed is to release CCTV/Body cam footage
Yet we have people (some even posting in the current events forum along the basis described above) just believing the police, without seeing any CCTV or no body cam footage. Talk about having a agenda..
Yet we have people (some even posting in the current events forum along the basis described above) just believing the police, without seeing any CCTV or no body cam footage. Talk about having a agenda..
Check who wrote the maguire vs hipster defender thread. I love him as a player. But I dont like these personal traits.
Don’t the UK have the best/second best military in Europe? Not sure which it is relative to France.
We need a "Cops in Greece doing a bad job" thread.
A Greek paper reported at least three independent witnesses describing Maguire and co as the aggressors. It's perfectly possible that Maguire is innocent and that this is nothing, but the constant repeating of "just believing the police" is a bit rich while simultaneously throwing around agenda accusations, no?
There are quotes earlier in the thread from witnesses saying the opposite.
Suspended sentence = you don´t go to jail at all.
100% supporting Maguire on this. Seems like a complete stitch-up to me at the moment.
How the heck can a trial that leads to 21 month prison term be held only hours after giving the actual charges to the legal team just hours before and said trial only take a few hours? Sounds like it was already pre-determined that was going to be the verdict, not giving a proper change to counter the charges.
It's a complete sham of a trial and at least for now, till all evidence and testimony is able to be given, Maguire should be considered innocent until proven guilty in a proper trial.
It's a complete sham of a trial and at least for now, till all evidence and testimony is able to be given, Maguire should be considered innocent until proven guilty in a proper trial.
#justice4slabhead
Let's just say he will be not be going to Greece for a holiday again.
You don't seem understand my post.
Going off what's happened over the last 4 months, it should work both ways, unless you have a agenda.
Are you referring to this post? I've struggled to find any other accounts.
Yeah. If it was something that was just going to be a couple of nights in the slammer for being drunk or parking in the wrong place, but the sentence and the time given to build a defence do not add up.
Was it ever established that where did the van come from when it was supposed to take them to the hospital instead of a police station? Reeks of a total set up. Were the people in the van one of the accomplices with the gangsters?
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