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2022-23 Performances


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31
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17
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Harry is playing well but you have to look at why. He has basically two defenders In front of him, he has rapid full backs around him and England play a deep line. He might just be the reason for the Conservative football. England are playing mid table premiership tactics. It suits him when he plays for team on the front foot and leaves space behind him he's fecked. Might have been a world beater under mourinho here.

Do you think you think England be so deep with tomori or white and even smalling??
Biggest factor is we are playing opposition who would be fighting relegation in the premier league.

I’d like to see how he performs against France and potentially Brazil.
 
We need to get a long extension in on Harry before it gets too expensive, this WC is doing us no favours at all.
 
Rio's new column sums it up well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63848226

A different player for club and country?
The way England are set up is one of the reasons Maguire looks more at home playing for his country than he does for his club.

Gareth Southgate uses a system that plays to everyone's individual strengths and protects their weaknesses - such as Maguire's mobility.

Being in a team that defends deep with a low block suits him far better than when he plays for United and he is much higher up the pitch.

For United, Erik ten Hag wants his centre-halves to be 10 yards inside the opposition half when the team is in possession, which leaves a massive gap between Maguire and his goalkeeper for opponents to exploit.

That doesn't really happen with England because he has got more team-mates around him, and less space behind him where his lack of pace can be exposed.

All of this helps Maguire defensively, and the other part of his game has never been in question. He is so comfortable on the ball and bringing it out of defence, which is still vital to the way Southgate wants to play.
 
In current situation, can't see Maguire staying beyond summer. He'll be 30 by then so will have another 3-5 years at PL level, so could be brilliant for another team. West Ham with Moyes' style of play would fit him the best probably, if Moyes is their manager by then and if there are no better teams in for him, like Chelsea etc.
 
Rio's new column sums it up well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63848226

A different player for club and country?
The way England are set up is one of the reasons Maguire looks more at home playing for his country than he does for his club.

Gareth Southgate uses a system that plays to everyone's individual strengths and protects their weaknesses - such as Maguire's mobility.

Being in a team that defends deep with a low block suits him far better than when he plays for United and he is much higher up the pitch.

For United, Erik ten Hag wants his centre-halves to be 10 yards inside the opposition half when the team is in possession, which leaves a massive gap between Maguire and his goalkeeper for opponents to exploit.

That doesn't really happen with England because he has got more team-mates around him, and less space behind him where his lack of pace can be exposed.

All of this helps Maguire defensively, and the other part of his game has never been in question. He is so comfortable on the ball and bringing it out of defence, which is still vital to the way Southgate wants to play.
I think Rio makes some fair points there but hasn't the idea that United play a high-line been called into question statistically? Our average defensive line height is actually the lowest in the Premier League this season, as the Tweet below demonstrates.



I think the point about Maguire having more team-mates around him for England is more salient. England's midfield is certainly more solid than United's has been when Maguire has played, and that's true even this season. You might say this is ridiculous considering Casemiro's arrival, but the two have only started one match together thus far. (The Real Sociedad match, which we lost due to a ridiculous penalty called on Licha)

I think there's every chance Maguire will need to leave at the end of the season. He doesn't seem to have the attributes that Ten Hag is looking for and he doesn't seem at all confident at United. With that said, I think too much is made of this being due to him being "unable to cope in a high line".
 
I think Rio makes some fair points there but hasn't the idea that United play a high-line been called into question statistically? Our average defensive line height is actually the lowest in the Premier League this season, as the Tweet below demonstrates.



I think the point about Maguire having more team-mates around him for England is more salient. England's midfield is certainly more solid than United's has been when Maguire has played, and that's true even this season. You might say this is ridiculous considering Casemiro's arrival, but the two have only started one match together thus far. (The Real Sociedad match, which we lost due to a ridiculous penalty called on Licha)

I think there's every chance Maguire will need to leave at the end of the season. He doesn't seem to have the attributes that Ten Hag is looking for and he doesn't seem at all confident at United. With that said, I think too much is made of this being due to him being "unable to cope in a high line".


Yeah, it's bullshit. Making points after he's played against the likes of USA, Wales, and Iran, in comparission with PL teams is stupid.
 
He is a good player in the right set up. I believe he still have high market value. I think it would be best for both side if he leave in the summer. We will get to sign a new CB that suit ETH and he will be back to be one of the best CB in EPL
 
Yeah, it's bullshit. Making points after he's played against the likes of USA, Wales, and Iran, in comparission with PL teams is stupid.

One game in particular (USA) where England didn't even try to win and were happy to sit back and take a draw.

He's given far more protection in and England shirt, but does he warrant that protection? For England, maybe given the lack of quality at CB. But given United has the whole World to source new CB's, we can surely find a better player that doesn't require as much protection and is therefore more suited to the way we want to play.
 
He's given far more protection in and England shirt, but does he warrant that protection? For England, maybe given the lack of quality at CB. But given United has the whole World to source new CB's, we can surely find a better player that doesn't require as much protection and is therefore more suited to the way we want to play.

Well exactly, If we get as far as France then Mbappe will annihilate him and that will be that for his newly restored reputation.
 
Rio's new column sums it up well - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63848226

A different player for club and country?
The way England are set up is one of the reasons Maguire looks more at home playing for his country than he does for his club.

Gareth Southgate uses a system that plays to everyone's individual strengths and protects their weaknesses - such as Maguire's mobility.

Being in a team that defends deep with a low block suits him far better than when he plays for United and he is much higher up the pitch.

For United, Erik ten Hag wants his centre-halves to be 10 yards inside the opposition half when the team is in possession, which leaves a massive gap between Maguire and his goalkeeper for opponents to exploit.

That doesn't really happen with England because he has got more team-mates around him, and less space behind him where his lack of pace can be exposed.

All of this helps Maguire defensively, and the other part of his game has never been in question. He is so comfortable on the ball and bringing it out of defence, which is still vital to the way Southgate wants to play.
Same old lazy analysis about playing in a high line when we play statisically the deepest in the league without him.

Maybe he's just not as bad as many have decided.
 
After performing well in the WC, the club should aim to sell him while his stock has gone up, because he will go back to being awful for the club, and even if he doesn't it is better to sell him with some value rather than take the risk.
 
Imagine we manage to get a decent fee for Maguire, and use that + Ronnie's wages to sign a genuinely decent CF in Jan. Make it so.
 
After performing well in the WC, the club should aim to sell him while his stock has gone up, because he will go back to being awful for the club, and even if he doesn't it is better to sell him with some value rather than take the risk.
I doubt if that will be Erik's thinking but it's a funny old game :lol:
 
if we avoid the Rojo in 2018 mistake and can move him on at a reasonable price, this will be worth the world cup disruption to our season IMHO. Personally I hope he goes to Chelsea as the effect will be magical (Harry + Potter) :angel:
 
if we avoid the Rojo in 2018 mistake and can move him on at a reasonable price, this will be worth the world cup disruption to our season IMHO. Personally I hope he goes to Chelsea as the effect will be magical (Harry + Potter) :angel:

How likely is it that Gareth Southgate will manage a PL club in August, 2023? :)
 
How likely is it that Gareth Southgate will manage a PL club in August, 2023? :)

Ronaldo has left. Glazers are about to leave. Now Southgate getting an EPL job and spending a fortune on Maguire will be too many good news to be true in a short timespan.

I would still hope for Harry Potter. At least, Potter looks very similar to Southgate. They may have a similar likings in terms of CB!
 
He’s played well so far and has obviously been putting the hours in for training. He still moves like a lumbering carthorse though.
 
Yes, Mbappe will mostly face Walker and Stones. Maguire will be good to have against Giroud and Varane.

The fear for Maguire is having to deal with Griezmann when he gets into #10 positions. Tchouameni on Bellingham, Rabiot on Henderson and Rice being granted time on the ball in exchange for Griezmann having the chance to bedevil Maguire.
 
Dembele too.

I’ll be worried if England don’t take a cautious approach. If they are too adventurous, Mbappe, Dembele, Giroud and Griezmann is hell on counters. If the lay lower, I think Shaw has a good chance to take out Dembele. Rice will have an important role vs Griezmann.

France are clear favourites, due to their wealth of talent and an uberexperienced coach, but England are not without a shot if they play an intelligent game.
 
No way I will play Maguire against France if I were the manager.

Maguire, at best, is suitable for playing against weak opponents and he's good at grabbing opponents to find a way to head. But I am not sure how much chance does Maguire get to use his grappling skills against France.
 
Predictably getting pelters for the Giroud goal but I don't think he played too badly.

My criticism would be of him and Stones as a pairing really; there were multiple times when players got in between the two of them and eventually Giroud punished them for it.
 
Didn't play too badly but Giroud beat him to the winning goal. He's struggled a few times against Giroud before but I thought he did well until that moment

...some of those long diagonals that go out of play really p*ss me off though. Always seems to do it.
 
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