He had a decent tournament, I think he’d link up well with Rice at West Ham.
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This is mentioned a lot, but surely ETHs biggest concern regarding Maguire is his lack of mobility with the ball?
When ETH built a new back line in Ajax he chose 5’9 Jurrien Timber and 5’10 Lisandro Martinez, who up until then were a RB and a CDM. He wants to play up from the back, create triangles and not succumb to pressure.
Honestly, not 100% sure were this talk about high line defense comes from. The PL is the PL and you are going to have a problem playing a high line regularly. If you play really well with the ball — you can start doing it. If you don’t, it’s suicide. We have not even been able to get to that point that often, besides the Everton game, first half against Chelsea and so forth.
Maguire is not only immobile, he gets very inclined to just clear the ball up field when pressured. ETH obviously has big issues with the team when we start playing like that, obviously falling back to ‘bad habits’. Signature Ole play (read: no play of our own).
I think Maguire had an excellent World Cup. But England played a cautious style of football. I don’t think that plan is altogether bad. When England play that style, it doesn’t matter if it’s Brazil or France or Argentine — nobody is comfortable with it and nobody does it as well as England. I mean, marginals are small at the end of a World Cup. You must win 4 in a row against good competition. England could have done that, they were a true contender. But at the same time, a team like France will always have a chance against them. It is what it is.
I’ve never had any bigger issues with Maguire, I like him. But I really hope everyone in the Organization realize that he does not fit ETH and should be sold ASAP.
The issue that is that he's only been at that level for half a season (the second half of 20/21) while being here for three and a half seasons now. The rest of the time he's either been inconsistent or downright terrible.
Some people do go overboard with the negativity about him, but on the flip side some people make out that he's been better than he has.
He just looks so slow moving the ball from the back line. France were happy to let him have the ball and waste time with 3-4 slow passes while applying minimal pressure.
Think West Ham under Moyes would suit him down to the ground.
I mean he did ok but he was at fault for france's winning goal
He was clearly at fault for the goal. Giroud is positioned behind stones. Maguire is the one with clear vision of the entire situation stones does not. So maguire has to cover that. He didnt anticipate it quickly enough.
He was clearly at fault for the goal. Giroud is positioned behind stones. Maguire is the one with clear vision of the entire situation stones does not. So maguire has to cover that. He didnt anticipate it quickly enough.
This. I’m surprised it wasn’t mentioned by any pundit.
He was clearly at fault for the winning goal.
He had a fine tournament but Taremi, Wright, Moore, Dia, then Giroud are the strikers he was directly up against. The pressure is greater (at tournaments) but the footballing challenge is generally lower in most international games which is why Maguire is quite comfortable at that level.
For feck's sake Maguire, just keep it shut. You haven't proved anything mate and you still won't be starting at United.
The lack of self awareness from this guy.
Stones would also have been aware of Giroud if he'd had a look.He was closer to Girpud as well. Instead was caught ball watching.
Looked pretty decent against Iran, Wales and Senegal (without their best player). Answered the critics again.
He was no more at fault than Henderson or Stones. Not every goal needs picking apart to point the finger at an individual.
I feel sorry for Maguire. Yes, he had a decent performance in this World Cup, but his competitors (Varane and Martinez) are now playing in the semifinals and have a big chance to go head-to-head in the final. Sometimes you just can't win.
They were all caught napping but it was Maguire who Giroud got in front of. Easily.
He also missed a header that should’ve at least been on target.
Not sure what people want Maguire to have done for the Giroud goal. Foul him? Phaseshift through him to head the ball?
The unfortunate fact is that it's entirely possible for defenders to do their job and still concede to a good bit of attacking play.
The unfortunate fact is that it's entirely possible for defenders to do their job and still concede to a good bit of attacking play.
I watched the game in a packed bar in NYC, lots of different nationalities and all of them were laughing at him. Though it was weird because he’s had a good tournament, but it’s become the thing to do now, mock him, and it’s spread world wide. I though it was just in England he was laughed at. It’s just become automatic now, he’s become a walking meme.
Could easily say Giroud peeled off the back of Stones.
Good defender but the two defenders he is competing with just happen to be in the semi's and are just that bit better than both mentally and technically
Good isn't good enough....especially as a starting XI player under ETH.
He'll get a chance before Lisandro and Varane rejoin United after their WC ends.
The weight of the United shirt is much heavier than England's, especially after the media darlings of years past have faded out of the games.
He'll get a chance before Lisandro and Varane rejoin United after their WC ends.
The weight of the United shirt is much heavier than England's, especially after the media darlings of years past have faded out of the games.
I think Maguire has had a good World Cup and is good enough as backup. If he is happy to stay as a back-up maybe that is sufficient. No need to panic buy a CB in January. Unlike our CF and RB positions.
Had a pretty good wc to be honest.
Would have made team the tourney had England gone all the way to the final but alas.
Would have made team the tourney had England gone all the way to the final but alas.
The problem is I don't think ETH would drop his current style. Tbh I like Maguire and he's a decent CB but he's too slow both brain and feet for our current style even as a backup.
He had a pretty good WC and imo it's rather time to sell and use the money to buy a new #9. Lindelof would be enough for a backup I think. We also have Tuanzebe we can recall him back in Jan if necessary.
I don't really think he was that great this tournament tbh.
It was more that England played very much on the front foot, controlled matches with possession and limited the need to defend.
Whenever England did need to defend we looked quite ropey at the back. He and Stones were never going to carry us to a world cup unfortunately.
He showed nothing that we don't already know about him. He's good in the air if you can land the ball on his head, his short passing is decent but not spectacular. He's slow as a tug boat and loves over hitting long passes.
IF off the back of this world cup we can mug West Ham or the likes into paying £50m for him, take it and run.
It was more that England played very much on the front foot, controlled matches with possession and limited the need to defend.
Whenever England did need to defend we looked quite ropey at the back. He and Stones were never going to carry us to a world cup unfortunately.
He showed nothing that we don't already know about him. He's good in the air if you can land the ball on his head, his short passing is decent but not spectacular. He's slow as a tug boat and loves over hitting long passes.
IF off the back of this world cup we can mug West Ham or the likes into paying £50m for him, take it and run.
And in fairness he actually gets there does enough so giroud can't get a clean header on it unfortunatey girouds contact takes it straight into Maguire and then it comes off Maguire straight into the net. How's your luck Harry? Had feck all in that instance.
Those little bits of luck you need neither Harry or England got them, France, Varane and particuley Upamenco got it in spades.
Martinez didn’t get there first v Holland, nor versus Brentford, but sure, he’d have defo done it versus one of the best aerial forwards around.
Martinez is absolutely superb, and absolutely is better than Maguire, but he’s not superman, and he absolutely has and will lose out in similar circumstances to Maguire v Giroud there many times in his career, as is the case for all defenders, not matter how great.
That’s not true though really is it?
I don’t see Maguire having a future at United but I do find it weird no one is able to have that opinion whilst accepting he had a good World Cup under the circumstances.
It feels people are so entrenched in their options they can’t separate the two.
I don't think he was bad but he certainly wasn't good or proving ETH wrong.
He made a mistake for Irans opening goal. Wales were completely awful, USA he did well aerially but made a mistake early on that we could have conceded.
Got skinned early against Senegal but then had not much to do. France didn't do much wrong but perhaps could have done better with the 2nd.
As I said, he showed nothing different than usual and I don't expect him to be first choice when Martinez/Varane return.
Let's see how he performs when the PL is back, the tempo is raised and games are more stretched. International football suits him as it's slower and more cagey.
You’re nitpicking individual moments in games. Got skinned v Senegal? When he recovered and put the ball away to safety?
No one is arguing he has a future at United or should displace Martinez or Varane. He’s done here in the longer term.
I do find it weird some posters are going out of their way to discredit him at every opportunity though and are unable to separate their personal biases against the player for whatever reason.
Didn’t he actually stay with him and get some block the ultimate shot? That isn’t getting skinned, getting skinned is being left in the dust, a la Rio v Bale or Vidic v Torres.
Anyway, it’s all gotten daft in here, a year ago everyone was claiming Ruben Dias to be the best defender in the PL, he got absolutely dominated for Morocco’s goal but apparently Giroud getting inbetween Maguire and Stones is proof Maguire just isn’t very good.
As I say, it’s all a bit silly. Maguire clearly had a good tournament, he’s clearly a good defender in the right system. But just as everything Ronaldo has done now appears to be shit or insignificant, Maguire is simply shit and nothing will change people’s opinions on that.
If Maguire Had scored from that header that grazed the post in the second half, he’d have been an unlikely hero. Unfortunately it didn’t happen, instead a Giroud shot late on clipped his shoulder and flew past Pickford the rest is history.
I believe he’s a hardworking reasonably good CB, but agree he really doesn’t possess the pace, technical & mental ability to play the way that ETH wants us to.
I believe he’s a hardworking reasonably good CB, but agree he really doesn’t possess the pace, technical & mental ability to play the way that ETH wants us to.
has he performed better at intl level than Rio and Terry? can remember Rio having a great WC2002 but can’t remember much from them otherwise, obviously Rio missed 2004
If you look at the WC, I think Maguire has been the best of them. The only complaint I have is that he has is a bit slow on the ball and that he clears the ball too much instead of controlling it. However if we look at the bigger picture a good WC will not change things except it might have given him a well needed confidence boost. He is still 3-4 choice at United. I really wonder if he isn’t looking for a new club as that would mean he could continuously play matches, maybe 50 games per season, instead of one here and one there as a third or fourth choice.
Is he saying that to prove something to your or United fans though or to prove to himself?
Doesn’t read like himself…
He explains: “I’ve played every game and I’m proud of my mentality to prove to myself again - I don’t need to prove to others - but at the moment, I don’t look at myself, I look at the team and every time I put this shirt on, I want the team to do well. Listen I’d have much preferred to have had a bad game against France and gone through.”
I'm no more discrediting him than people are over crediting him. There always needs to be a bit of balance.
I have zero bias against him or any other United player, I simply say what I see. He did OK.
His usual errors were still there though, and he isn't going to suddenly change/improve after 4 games.
Ah yes I misread the to; it seems a bit of a weird sentence.
Was he at fault, or are you just looking to blame him? Maguire is coming in and tight on Giroud. In fact, he can't get much tighter. But what is Stones doing? He's not even looking as the ball goes straight over his head. But I get it...if Maguire is on the field when a goal is scored, people look for a reason to blame him...
Had a half-decent World Cup didn't he? Is this our chance to off-load until he fecks up for us again?
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