It takes him a bit of time to get to his full pace and a bit of time for him to stop and turn. I’m not convinced that it’s something he can fix in his game.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 37
- Clean sheets
- 7
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 9
- Red cards
- 1
- Status
In hoping he's getting his confidence back.
I thought he had a rough start to the match, but after that he was solid for the rest.
Well, except for the time in the second half where he massively oversold himself as he came over to block just outside the box and the Leeds attacker just cut back behind him like he wasn't there. He made that far too easy.
Well, except for the time in the second half where he massively oversold himself as he came over to block just outside the box and the Leeds attacker just cut back behind him like he wasn't there. He made that far too easy.
Very good might be a bit of an overreaction i think? It depends how you judge him i guess, compared to most of his games this season it was very good but it wasnt a perfect or a near perfect game from him.
Just a decent game from him, nice that he scored a goal but i would say Lindelof was very good today while Maguire was just okay. Nothing special really beside a goal from a corner, that is something special. Really special even.
Just a decent game from him, nice that he scored a goal but i would say Lindelof was very good today while Maguire was just okay. Nothing special really beside a goal from a corner, that is something special. Really special even.
Maguire finally put that big head of his to use for us.
He gets his head to enough. Good to see one go in at last!
He gets his head to enough. Good to see one go in at last!
What occasions were they?
Very good performance. Nice shithousery after our last goal as well
I'll take any small sign of positivity over everything he showed this season, including wrestling Greek cops while holding his beer.
Good game. Nothing great nothing bad. Standard stuff.
I gave them both 8s. Maguire excellent defensively and stepped in well on several occasions to get us on the front foot, plus the goal. Lindelof gave the ball away needlessly a few times early on but settled down and was very solid after that plus the marauding runs. I’d say both were very good.
He was excellent give your head a wobble
Good game today, looked far more assured than he has for a while, hopefully finding form for the business end of the season
A very good game from Harry today. A captains performance. Great to see
Can’t help but think that the waterlogged pitch helped Maguire today. Made it harder for attackers to run at him with the ball.
An important figure at the back..Happy he scored. Decent performance too.
Hopefully yesterday can push him to produce solid consistent displays from now till the end of season.
Hopefully yesterday can push him to produce solid consistent displays from now till the end of season.
He’s gone back to basics which is what you need to do when you’re horribly out of form, and it’s paying dividends. Was comfortable for most of the game, he’s not overplaying it, and just clearing his lines when he’s running back to goal. Hope he keeps it simple and builds on this.
Also this is lovely:
Also this is lovely:
Ok folks, time to drop the agendas and look at the facts. Too many people say Lindelof is a better defender than Maguire and it just isn't true. Even in a season where Maguire had a very poor run (Liverpool, Watford and Leicester come to mind) he's still been the better of the two and the stats don't lie. But unlike certain YouTube personalities, I'm not going to just show you the stats that suit the agenda. I will show all of them
------------------AP--CS-GC--TCK--LMT--BL--INT--CL--HC--REC--DW--DL--ABW--ABL--ELG--
Maguire-----22--6---26---22------2------2---17---74--41---107---95---55-----56-----24----1
Lindelof-----17--3---27---13------0-----0-----14--66--31---107----54--38-----33-----22----0
AP=Appearances CS=Clean Sheets GC=Goals Conceded TCK=Tackles LMT=Last Man Tackles BL=Blocks INT=Interceptions CL=Clearances HC=Headed Clearances REC=Recoveries DW=Duals Won DL=Duals Lost ABW=Aerial Battles Won ABL=Aerial Battles Lost
ELG=Errors Leading To Goal
Harry Maguire Statistics | Premier League
Victor Lindelöf Statistics | Premier League
So many people have talked about how much better Lindelof is than Maguire. The stats prove that isn't true. But forget about the stats. Let's look at how we played without Maguire during the month of January. Oh that's right, during that time De Gea had to make more saves than any keeper in the league and ended up getting the EPL player of the month while playing EPL heavyweights WOlves, Villa, Brentford and West Ham. In fact, the only game De Gea didn't have to save us was against West Ham (the best team we played) and this also happened to be the only game in January that Maguire played 90 minutes. But go on...keep scapegoating Maguire and keep holding his price tag (which he had nothing to do with) against him...
------------------AP--CS-GC--TCK--LMT--BL--INT--CL--HC--REC--DW--DL--ABW--ABL--ELG--
Maguire-----22--6---26---22------2------2---17---74--41---107---95---55-----56-----24----1
Lindelof-----17--3---27---13------0-----0-----14--66--31---107----54--38-----33-----22----0
AP=Appearances CS=Clean Sheets GC=Goals Conceded TCK=Tackles LMT=Last Man Tackles BL=Blocks INT=Interceptions CL=Clearances HC=Headed Clearances REC=Recoveries DW=Duals Won DL=Duals Lost ABW=Aerial Battles Won ABL=Aerial Battles Lost
ELG=Errors Leading To Goal
Harry Maguire Statistics | Premier League
Victor Lindelöf Statistics | Premier League
So many people have talked about how much better Lindelof is than Maguire. The stats prove that isn't true. But forget about the stats. Let's look at how we played without Maguire during the month of January. Oh that's right, during that time De Gea had to make more saves than any keeper in the league and ended up getting the EPL player of the month while playing EPL heavyweights WOlves, Villa, Brentford and West Ham. In fact, the only game De Gea didn't have to save us was against West Ham (the best team we played) and this also happened to be the only game in January that Maguire played 90 minutes. But go on...keep scapegoating Maguire and keep holding his price tag (which he had nothing to do with) against him...
Leeds supporters I think gave him a rating of two yesterday?
Stats prove Bramble is better than Rio/Vidic, don't think anyone would believe that.
It's good to have defensive actions for CB but there are no stats to show how CB got positioning wrong, made wrong choice by stepping out, made wrong choice by moving wide or not dealing with danger.
Maguire was better CB last season, Lindelof is better this season.
We are not talking about some generational CBs like Rio, Vida. It's just 2 average-good CBs with plenty of inconsistent performances.
Stats in fact can and do lie all the time. Harry had a great game yesterday but he's had a horror show of a season and no stat can prove otherwise. Lindelof has been steady, never poor but never youtube-worthy insane. If we put aside the captaincy and the politics, Lindelof is a better CB partner for Varane, who is clearly superior to both Maguire and Lindelof.
The better questions are what caused Maguire's horrific form this season and has he righted the ship? We can't know the answer to either question, although it's clear to me at least that Ole rushed Harry back before he was fully fit and that his horrifying performances earlier in the season -- is there any serious debate about his collapse in form earlier in the season? -- probably contributed to a dip in confidence, which of course leads to a dip in form. Perhaps his fantastic performance yesterday is the long-awaited turning point and if so, I'd say just in the nick of time. We have CL duty coming up and a tricky run-in beginning with Watford, which bitchslapped us earlier this season on a day when Maguire was worse than miserable.
The better questions are what caused Maguire's horrific form this season and has he righted the ship? We can't know the answer to either question, although it's clear to me at least that Ole rushed Harry back before he was fully fit and that his horrifying performances earlier in the season -- is there any serious debate about his collapse in form earlier in the season? -- probably contributed to a dip in confidence, which of course leads to a dip in form. Perhaps his fantastic performance yesterday is the long-awaited turning point and if so, I'd say just in the nick of time. We have CL duty coming up and a tricky run-in beginning with Watford, which bitchslapped us earlier this season on a day when Maguire was worse than miserable.
Do they? Prove it. Besides, I'm talking about two players who play together. If Lindelof was indeed better the stats would at least be close. they aren't and never have been
It was posted plenty of times when few tried to prove VVD wasn't all that using stats. Few others posted Bramble vs Vidic stats.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...han-both-van-dijk-and-vidic-20190611.amp.html
Also as per whoscored rating Mustafi was always top 1-3 CB in the league. Doubt even his mother agrees with that.
You see something new each timeLeeds supporters I think gave him a rating of two yesterday?
Between zero and two I think.Leeds supporters I think gave him a rating of two yesterday?
I didn't post an overall score. I posted the facts. And the facts are Maguire is scapegoated. I just proved that. I know it goes against your agenda and you're probably butt hurt right now, but offer me something more than "that's not right because I say so". I've posted stats head to head several times ever since Maguire arrived and started getting scapegoated. If he is as bad as so many people say his stats would not be better than Lindelof's. They just wouldn't. They play on the same team together and our results are better with him than without him. These are facts. You are posting agendas. Nothing more and you know it. But that's the problem with United supporters. Most are even worse than Leaf fans in that they always blame their best players (Sorry I'm Canadian so hockey will come in some how)...
Exactly. Nobody thinks Maguire has a poor season because he didn’t head the ball, cleared it or blocked it. It’s because of the large amount of costly poor decisions and costly mistakes. And that’s more defining for a CB’s performance.
No, all you have proved is your posts are just pathetic calling everyone who doesn't drink Maguire's piss as agenda poster.
I have defended Maguire almost all the time when he played well, just because you have his face tattooed on your arse doesn't mean everyone does the same thing. We all know to praise and criticize players based on their performance. Maybe you should try it too instead of acting like his obsessed partner.
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Yeah. It's weird people think that they made some judgement on player and have to stick to it no matter what.
Maguire is having poor season, not sure what's the problem in saying that. The amount of mistakes he made is just too much and also on the ball he is making terrible decisions.
Right now Lindelof if better on and off the ball.
Maguire has been poor but there are some signs that he’s getting back on track. Thought he was good last match. He is clearly going back to the basics which is the right thing to do. Clearing balls to throw ins, where last season’s Maguire has controlled the ball instead, passing simple passes and making sure to not risk anything in possession.
This is the way to find his form again. . Also playing with Lindelof helps as they have more than 100 games together and know each other well.
Bolded bit is ironically the key thing for him. The basics before were costing us a lot this season, but I would say he's composing himself the past few games. It's likely we will stick with him as a starter for this season and next, so it's good to see he's making some sort of recovery.
Yeah last 2-3 games he played well. Hopefully he is getting back to form, we can have both of them rotate and play alongside Varane.
Harry is a good lad. Hope this helps get him back into top form.
When faced with the facts you still deny them. If it's not an agenda, then what is it?
I showed you why judging CBs with stats is not the best method. Not everything is agenda.
Also it's not facts, it's stats. Winning more headers or tackles wont make best CB. Salisu, Tarkowski are among top 3 CBs if we go by tackles, interceptions, headers and whoscored rating.
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We aren't talking about players from different teams. We are talking about players from our team. Defensive partners. You're right that those other players stats don't prove they are better than our defenders but I can guarantee you that those stats prove they are likely the best defenders on their own team. But that doesn't fit your agenda
Hope he starts scoring more headers. He's the type of player who should really score 4/5 headers from corners every season
The guy in the front with the gloves is been pickpocketed and also judging by his face has also had something shoved up him quite possibly by the lady sitting who seems content enough.Leeds supporters I think gave him a rating of two yesterday?
See something new every time.Leeds supporters I think gave him a rating of two yesterday?
So when I said Bramble was better than Vidic and VVD using those stats, you asked me to prove it. When I did, goal posts moved to "Players from same team".
Who knew VVD wasn't all that, it was always Matip and Lovren who were as good and better than VVD. Maybe it's agenda.
| PL 2018-19 | ||||
| Van Dijk | Matip | Lovren | Gomez | |
| Tackles | 1 | 2.2 | 1.4 | 1.4 |
| Interceptions | 1.1 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 1.2 |
| Clearance | 5.3 | 4.5 | 4.7 | 4 |
| Blocks | 0.9 | 0.8 | 1 | 0.9 |
| Aerial | 4.8 | 3.8 | 4.9 | 2.3 |
| Total | 13.1 | 13.2 | 12.9 | 9.8 |
| PL 2019-20 | ||||
| Van Dijk | Matip | Lovren | Gomez | |
| Tackles | 0.6 | 1.7 | 1.5 | 1 |
| Interceptions | 1.1 | 1.5 | 1.1 | 1.6 |
| Clearance | 4.3 | 4.7 | 4.7 | 2.7 |
| Blocks | 0.6 | 1.2 | 1.2 | 0.8 |
| Aerial | 5.4 | 6 | 5.4 | 2.1 |
| Total | 12 | 15.1 | 13.9 | 8.2 |
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I see him as a decent CB. Not world class but not bad either. But he seems to have die hard fans, maybe because he is the stereotypical handsome Englishman.
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