Harry Kane MBE | Performances

Kane's' the best striker in the world, the first person to out score Messi/Ronaldo in a calendar year in years while Neymar isn't even the best in his area of expertise (probably still behind Ronaldo/Messi).

Saying that for Manchester United I'd take Neymar over Kane, he'd just be a better fit, Jose's United lack creativity and wouldn't be able to supply Kane whereas Neymar could provide the creativity that United need.

Ps:- Mods stopped handing out likes? I've been on 7 likes for the last 100 posts, wouldn't mind 1 more so i can post in the general section
 
I remember saying I think Harry Kane is better than Dwight Yorke was, which people werent happy about. Think he's proven that long ago.
 
Couldn't bring myself to post the actual words.

Got the feeling that if it were SAF though, he might choose Kane over Neymar. Young British with exceptional talent, PL proven, and with better attitude.
 

What has teenage girls going crazy about Neymar got to do with Kane being better or not better than Neymar.
That is simply down to marketing.

Kane would never go to a crap league like France. To me it shows a lack of ambition. Neymar went there for the money and nothing else. He may believe they can win the CL but PSG aren't exactly more likely to win it than Barcelona are and who cares about winning the French league.

They are different types of players and attackers but I would rather have Kane in my side if I had to choose one. One is a world class goal scorer the other a world class attacker and for me goals always comes out on top. Neymar may be the more beautiful player to watch, although again subjective because watching a world class goal scorer scorer a monstrous number of goals of all types like Kane scores is the best entertainment in football, but you can't really say Kane isn't in his league. Kane now is in that sphere regardless of trophies won so far.

Both are world class players. Kane is pumping out Messi like numbers in the most competitive league in the world. That gives Kane the edge.

Well topic was titled towards popularity stuff, hence the post about popularity.
Also if I had to choose between him and Kane for United, Neymar without even having a thought, let alone a chance of having first thought.
 
Got the feeling that if it were SAF though, he might choose Kane over Neymar. Young British with exceptional talent, PL proven, and with better attitude.

If it was SAF and back then I have no doubt you would be hounding is for Kane, thankfully times have changed.
 
Got the feeling that if it were SAF though, he might choose Kane over Neymar. Young British with exceptional talent, PL proven, and with better attitude.

I think so too.

For starters Kane has already passed the "can he do it on a cold night at Stoke" test. A big plus for SAF.

Neymar is entirely up for debate regards this matter. Plus the image of Neymar exiting the tunnel wearing a pair of insulated gloves, a wooly hat and fecking onesie beneath his kit will haunt me forever.
 
Sorry but I don't buy that. If Neymar was born in England and played in the PL, he wouldn't have any reason to leave and play in two different countries. As it happens, Neymar comes from a Brazilian backwater league so has to move to Europe. Now personally I think his move to PSG was entirely financial and not for sporting reasons. As if Neymar grew up dreaming of winning the French league.




What has teenage girls going crazy about Neymar got to do with Kane being better or not better than Neymar. That is simply down to marketing.

Kane would never go to a crap league like France. To me it shows a lack of ambition. Neymar went there for the money and nothing else. He may believe they can win the CL but PSG aren't exactly more likely to win it than Barcelona are and who cares about winning the French league.

They are different types of players and attackers but I would rather have Kane in my side if I had to choose one. One is a world class goal scorer the other a world class attacker and for me goals always comes out on top. Neymar may be the more beautiful player to watch, although again subjective because watching a world class goal scorer scorer a monstrous number of goals of all types like Kane scores is the best entertainment in football, but you can't really say Kane isn't in his league. Kane now is in that sphere regardless of trophies won so far.

Both are world class players. Kane is pumping out Messi like numbers in the most competitive league in the world. That gives Kane the edge.
Neymar is where he is based on the merit of being a key component in a NT that goes deep into international tournaments as well as for doing what he did when winning a CL at Barcelona. Nothing whatsoever can replace proof - a bottomline of a player who has gone all the way to the pinnacle of a competition, held his own and aided his team in winning the contest is how all greats are defined, or at the least placed in hierarchical order and it's precisely why many see a Maradona over a Messi until Messi at least proves he, too, can go all the way and win a World Cup like the aforementioned did.

Proven winners go for more than those who still have it to do. One of the reasons Ronaldo was worth what he was is that he'd shown what he was capable of when United won the CL - at that point, you're getting a tried and tested winner. It always makes a difference, and so it should.

Kane had the most goals in a calendar year for Europe, which is incredible, and not something that can be taken away from him, but the goals of Ronaldo won a CL and La Liga, the goals of Messi generally win trophies. Are all goals measured equally? Not really - they never have been, so Kane still has more to do even if he's in the ascension to that class people reel off as the elite without a pause for thought.

Anyway, you can't just nix Neymar's trophies because Kane doesn't have any - Neymar is meeting the bar that is demanded of that level and Kane has to do the same thing to become part of that level. As noble as it might be to stay at Spurs, if they're not a trophy-chasing team, Kane can never prove himself at the levels required to lay claim over those that do season in and season out. Neymar's record deep in competitions can be used for or against him; Kane barely has a profile on that level, so obviously it has to work against him until he does as that's when the playing field evens out and he can be scrutinised with the same fine-toothed comb the elite are every season that they play.

This is not singling Kane out, either, as I mentioned how Messi (and everyone else) gets it, despite being the best player of his generation when he's put up to scrutiny in the bracket of player he belongs to.
 
I remember saying I think Harry Kane is better than Dwight Yorke was, which people werent happy about. Think he's proven that long ago.
Yorke was a key component in a treble-winning United side. He then became a party boy and frittered what could have been, away.

Not sure how Kane fits that model? In his peak year, Yorke did it on much bigger stages than Kane has even seen. Maybe Spurs get deep into the CL and Kane gets his chance to shine, but maybe they don't.

Not sure how the two can be fairly compared and contrasted given Kane is highly unlikely to be part of a team at Spurs who can match what United did with Yorke as a crucial component to the most successful season any English team has had, ever.

And after that season, it's pretty redundant anyway, beings as Yorke just stopped caring, really, by which measure, it's fair to say Kane easily trumps post-treble Yorke.
 
I like how an opinion that differs from your own automatically becomes biased. Only a fanboy would think that.
I wear it proudly
Wait, what? The poster who said that us called always red. Why would he be biased towards a spurs player?
Its a biased towards players who perform in your own domestic league. It happens all the time. If you perform excellently in the EPL, you suddenly become up there with the Ronaldo's and Messi's (and Neymars of course)
Secondly, what on earth does Brexit have to do with this?
Clearly, nothing
Neymar is better than Kane imo but as I said regarding Bale again and again on this forum as I was told that Nani had already reached a higher level than Bale ever could, what is the point of trying to guess these players peaks and what they could achieve?

When Bale was on the longest losing stream in English football, how many of the people mocking him thought that a few years later, he'd be moving for a world record fee to real Madrid and a few years after that, have a league title and three champions league medals?

I don't know what others are saying but I never insinuated that kanes price would depend on his ability relative to Neymar or that he's better than Neymar. In fact, I said the complete opposite.
never said you did. In fact, I didn't even tag you in any comment.
 
Now lets see who we would have at Man Utd. A diving, crying Mummy's boy or a professional striker who has been the top Premiership scorer for past three season & this calendar year scored the most goals in the top league. What a choice.
 
2 more in the FA Cup today - he's now at 26 from 27 on the season (18 PL, 6 CL, 2 FA Cup). Tottenham's single season record is 49 by Clive Allen in '86-'87 (33 League, 12 League Cup, 4 FA Cup).

Spurs probably need to have a deep run in the FA Cup and get past in Juventus in CL for Kane to get enough matches, but he's got a chance to break that record.
 
Now lets see who we would have at Man Utd. A diving, crying Mummy's boy or a professional striker who has been the top Premiership scorer for past three season & this calendar year scored the most goals in the top league. What a choice.

I’m assuming your talking about the best player we’ve had in the modern era in Ronaldo by calling him a mummy’s boy?

Perhaps Kane is the better answer now due to age etc, but Kane is nowhere near what Ronaldo was.

Harry Kane for me is up there with the best strikers in the world, but in the above debate comparing him and Neymar, Neymar is miles ahead imo. Stats don’t tell the whole story in Football.
 
I’m assuming your talking about the best player we’ve had in the modern era in Ronaldo by calling him a mummy’s boy?

Perhaps Kane is the better answer now due to age etc, but Kane is nowhere near what Ronaldo was.

Harry Kane for me is up there with the best strikers in the world, but in the above debate comparing him and Neymar, Neymar is miles ahead imo. Stats don’t tell the whole story in Football.
Sounds like he's talking about Neymar tbh
 
Who was the last truely world class player to stay at a non top 4 club for more than a few seasons?

edit: not De Gea.
 
Who was the last truely world class player to stay at a non top 4 club for more than a few seasons?

edit: not De Gea.
Ledley king? JayJay okacha if you consider him world class. Edgar David's if you consider him world class post 30.

There's none that jump out to me in fairness. Donarumma if you want to be a cnut.
 
Still would say he's behind Robert Lewandowski as the best pure striker. Suarez was before but he's fallen a bit this season so I'd have him 3rd probably. But Lewandowski and Kane are similar in a lot of ways, with Lewa being that much more refined and has been in his prime and dominating for years, along with having some absolutely memorable performances in some huge games. We'll see if Kane can make how he's been this half season a consistent thing, and push high 40's or even 50 per season. Would make him the best striker in the world IMO.
 
I'd take Kane over Lewa any day of the week. Second best striker in the world after Mbappe Imo.
 
Ah, and so it starts. The subtle "come and get me plea" to Real Madrid, hiding behind his wishes to win trophies - something that will not happen at Spurs unless they are really, really lucky. Trophies are gone this year - the league is over and the League Cup is gone, they sure as hell aren't winning the Champions League and the FA Cup is still stocked with the best teams like it always is.

What sucks for Tottenham is that Cristiano Ronaldo is old and on his way down and Harry Kane is the foremost striker in the world right now. Perfect age, insane goal scoring ability and currently employed by a much smaller club. It just makes so much sense, although Spurs would get a couple of hundred million pounds to re-invest or throw back into their mortgage. I do not think he will leave this summer, that looks impossible, but perhaps in the summer of 2019? No international championships, just lots of time to re-think your future after yet another year without any silverware.
 
Still would say he's behind Robert Lewandowski as the best pure striker. Suarez was before but he's fallen a bit this season so I'd have him 3rd probably. But Lewandowski and Kane are similar in a lot of ways, with Lewa being that much more refined and has been in his prime and dominating for years, along with having some absolutely memorable performances in some huge games. We'll see if Kane can make how he's been this half season a consistent thing, and push high 40's or even 50 per season. Would make him the best striker in the world IMO.

Er, what? He's been scoring goals consistently at the highest level for over 3 years pal. He was as good as a goal a game last season, this form isn't new this year...

He's even proven he can perform consistently.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/08/harry-kanetottenham-need-start-winning-trophies-keep/

Asked what Tottenham need to do to keep him, Kane replied: I’ve always said: keep progressing, keep getting better, we want to start winning trophies. That’s the aim, as long as the club keep doing that then, yeah I’m happy here.”

Don't worry Harry, Spurs have been "wanting to win trophies" for decades now, I'm pretty confident that the club will "keep doing that".
 
Ah, and so it starts. The subtle "come and get me plea" to Real Madrid, hiding behind his wishes to win trophies - something that will not happen at Spurs unless they are really, really lucky. Trophies are gone this year - the league is over and the League Cup is gone, they sure as hell aren't winning the Champions League and the FA Cup is still stocked with the best teams like it always is.

What sucks for Tottenham is that Cristiano Ronaldo is old and on his way down and Harry Kane is the foremost striker in the world right now. Perfect age, insane goal scoring ability and currently employed by a much smaller club. It just makes so much sense, although Spurs would get a couple of hundred million pounds to re-invest or throw back into their mortgage. I do not think he will leave this summer, that looks impossible, but perhaps in the summer of 2019? No international championships, just lots of time to re-think your future after yet another year without any silverware.
He was never going to stay forever, why should he? He will earn more money elsewhere and have way more chance of winning something. He's too good to just become another Alan Shearer. If he had his time again I guarantee he would have done things differently.
 
This is a pretty silly way of looking at things regardless of whether Neymar is more marketable than Kane or not (he is) because, with all due respect to my own club, Neymar has played now for Barcelona and PSG, while Kane plays for Spurs. We also don't really have random englishmen following people on instagram thr way Brazilians may do with their own players. I wonder how many twitter and instagram followers (jesus christ, what has football become) Bale had before his record transfer?

Also, he obviously wasn't a unique case at all. Liverpool turned down 150 million for Coutinho (who has 1.2 million followers). Put down 150 million for Dembele (who has 465K followers). VVD just went for 75Mil (he has 190k). Bonucci went for 40 million and he has 1.5 million. Lukaku 75 (1.2 million), Gylfi 40 (a few thousand).

Not to mention that again, Barcelona didn't accept 200 million. They were forced to due to a buyout clause and tried everything to stop the transfer. For them, Neymar was actually worth much more than 200 million.

This is genuinely such a strange and silly conversation.
That last bit is quite key. Barca didn’t want to sell Neymar - even at 200m, iirc.

But in this day and age, it’s close to impossible to gauge transfer fees. It’s all about demand/supply. Fairly unproven (though exceptional) talents like Dembele & Mbappe going for enormous amounts. Coutinho now.

Everyone knows Madrid will be in need of a WC goalscorer & there’s only a handful of them going around, with Kane arguably the best. Kane seemingly not desperate to join Madrid.

Spurs not being “desperate” to sell - their hopes of future top 4/title challenges hinge a lot on retaining Kane or replacing his goals. Who could they get to replace him? I can see a fee close to Neymar money, & a world record amount wouldn’t surprise me.
 
If Madrid don't win anything this season and are also seen to be outfoxed in transfer market by PSG and Barca then they will spend big in summer. They already goofed up both DDG (getting him at that price would have been a steal) and Mbappe transfers. Only thing is that I can see their transfers defined by WC too, they did buy Rodriguez off the back of his WC performances.
 
I think 200m-250m will do, won't be surprise it will be record breaking deal at all.
 
Harry should speak to Glaston. By the time the chat will be over Kane would be counting finishing above Arsenal, moving to new ground and building a new training complex as trophies.
 
You know, before the start of the season I thought Lukaku would prove that he belongs in the same conversation as Kane. Considering his record at a lesser side like Everton and not being the main penalty taker I thought Kane had surroundings more beneficial for him. Well Lukaku has come to a big club and Kane still is streets ahead. At this point Kane is a top 5 striker in the world at least and he would go for a record fee for two main reasons. 1, quality strikers are rarer and more valuable than top players in other positions. 2, Levy is a cretin who would bleed his own mother dry let alone an other team coming for his players.
 
Er, what? He's been scoring goals consistently at the highest level for over 3 years pal. He was as good as a goal a game last season, this form isn't new this year...

He's even proven he can perform consistently.
He's been class but this season has been on a different level, on the level of what Lewandowski has been doing for the most part, what Aguero was doing at his best and close to Suarez of the past few years. 31, 28 and 35 is Kane's record in the last 3 seasons. He's on 26 after just over half a season, it's clearly way above anything he achieved before and is what puts him in the shout for the best striker around. The past few years was not, despite being very good. Not when you have Suarez score 59 goals 2 seasons ago, Cavani score 49 last season, Ibra score 50 two years ago, or Lewandowski and Aubameyang who score over 40 goals a season. Kane is just making the step up to that level. No need to rush and say he's the best striker in the world when he hasn't proved that yet.
 
He's been class but this season has been on a different level, on the level of what Lewandowski has been doing for the most part, what Aguero was doing at his best and close to Suarez of the past few years. 31, 28 and 35 is Kane's record in the last 3 seasons. He's on 26 after just over half a season, it's clearly way above anything he achieved before and is what puts him in the shout for the best striker around. The past few years was not, despite being very good. Not when you have Suarez score 59 goals 2 seasons ago, Cavani score 49 last season, Ibra score 50 two years ago, or Lewandowski and Aubameyang who score over 40 goals a season. Kane is just making the step up to that level. No need to rush and say he's the best striker in the world when he hasn't proved that yet.

That's not entirely true though - look at his goals to games ratio. This year is just a continuation of last season. The reason he ended with 'only' 35 goals is because he missed a fairly large part of the season through injury (he only played 38 games). He has fortunately been virtually injury free this season.
 
Hardly 'so it starts', it is what Kane has been saying in literally every interview where he's been asked this question for nigh on 2 years now.

I want to stay at this club, I love at here but always with the underlying message that yes, I also want to win trophies and if I can't get that here, I'll eventually be going elsewhere.

Which is completely fair enough. In my own personal opinion, though things in football obviously change very quickly, he'll be here for a maximum of 2 more seasons after this season. Barring Poch turning into Ferguson or us being bought out by another royal family, we realistically will not be able to compete long term with the likes of City, Chelsea and Man Utd especially.

For my part, I'm just happy to watch him play for my team and I hope by the team he has left (if he does), he cements himself in Spurs history. Wins us a few trophies, perhaps climbs into our top 5 goalscorers in history (he's already somehow managed to get himself up to 9th, with 125 goals, though I reckon ultimately Greaves' 266 will be too far).