Harry Kane MBE | Performances

Stacks said:
Just look at Neymars history and goalscoring at all levels to see he is a phenomenon as a forward. Over 100 goals for Santos as a kid, same for Barca while playing Left Wing Forward. As a forward for Brazil he has 53 goals in 83 games. He has also done it in big crunch CL games, finals and internationally (including the world cup). Its almost as if the EPL trumps all other football levels. Neymars resume is considerably better. He can play all across the attack line and score goals, win games with moments of magic, provide assists, free kicks,

Depends what you value most really
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Below are the statistics for the leading European goal scorer in 2017 (apologies if this has been posted previously)
  • 56 | Harry Kane (52, 1.08)
  • 54 | Lionel Messi | (63 games, 0.84 goals per game)
  • 53 | Robert Lewandowski (55, 0/96)
  • 53 | Cristiano Ronaldo (59, 0.89)
  • 53 | Edinson Cavani (62, 0.85)
Goals win games games at the end of the day and Harry Kane is currently offering more in this department than any other player in Europe. Whilst playing for Spurs. Not Bayern, Barca or Real with their near unlimited resources. Little 'ol Spurs who operate on a shoestring budget.

For me he is simply the best striker on the planet as of this moment. I would offer a blood sacrifice to see him wear the red shirt of United.
 
Kanes problem is that he's no star. He's average looking, a bit boring and sounds like a moron. He's also one of the best strikers in the UK and if he has the ambition to leave Spurs could become the best in the world. He's never going to win the ballon dor finishing 4th with Spurs. He needs to be playing for a prominent team, I dont think he'd be a good fit for a Pep team but at United or Real he'd be scarily good.
 
redNATION said:
Winning trophies whilst being the star of a team is precisely what makes a player great. Neymar went to PSG because he wanted to be the star, not in the shadow of Messi, it has nothing to do with comfort zones for him, and if anything has now heaped more pressure on himself with the price tag and expectation. The fact that he's left his home country, thousands of miles away, and now played in two different European countries, is testament to that. Could Kane do that?

Only Spurs fans could come up with such nonsense. Kane is a very good player, but Neymar is heading toward all-time-greats status, especially if he wins the World Cup with Brazil. I dont think anyone would argue that Shearer was better than Nazario Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, and likewise the comparison here is way off the mark.
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Sorry but I don't buy that. If Neymar was born in England and played in the PL, he wouldn't have any reason to leave and play in two different countries. As it happens, Neymar comes from a Brazilian backwater league so has to move to Europe. Now personally I think his move to PSG was entirely financial and not for sporting reasons. As if Neymar grew up dreaming of winning the French league.


Lord SInister said:
Neymar is a super star. Even those who don't follow football know him, teenage girls are crazy about him. He has David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo kind of fame.
Kane has not yet reached that level of fame and acclaim.
Also as a player Neymar is already a elite, while Kane is just entering the scene.
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What has teenage girls going crazy about Neymar got to do with Kane being better or not better than Neymar. That is simply down to marketing.

Kane would never go to a crap league like France. To me it shows a lack of ambition. Neymar went there for the money and nothing else. He may believe they can win the CL but PSG aren't exactly more likely to win it than Barcelona are and who cares about winning the French league.

They are different types of players and attackers but I would rather have Kane in my side if I had to choose one. One is a world class goal scorer the other a world class attacker and for me goals always comes out on top. Neymar may be the more beautiful player to watch, although again subjective because watching a world class goal scorer scorer a monstrous number of goals of all types like Kane scores is the best entertainment in football, but you can't really say Kane isn't in his league. Kane now is in that sphere regardless of trophies won so far.

Both are world class players. Kane is pumping out Messi like numbers in the most competitive league in the world. That gives Kane the edge.
 
Sheikhs cattle prod said:
Kanes problem is that he's no star. He's average looking, a bit boring and sounds like a moron. He's also one of the best strikers in the UK and if he has the ambition to leave Spurs could become the best in the world. He's never going to win the ballon dor finishing 4th with Spurs. He needs to be playing for a prominent team, I dont think he'd be a good fit for a Pep team but at United or Real he'd be scarily good.
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Could you have chosen a more inappropriate user name if you tried?
 
BobbyManc said:
That Kane would 'dwarf' the £200m Neymar went for. Not a chance. To 'dwarf' something it must be considerably more, so we're talking what, £300m? At least close to that. That's delusional.
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Ah I see.

Well I agree with you that it likely won't 'dwarf' the fee.

In fairness, I don't think it is any more delusional than people saying he will go for close to 100 million. I don't see how people can look at the age profile of the player, the player himself, the club he plays for, how important he is, the money floating around the English market and more importantly, how the market overall has become and can say with any seriousness that he would go for 100 million?


People who are saying Kane is or isn't better than Neymar are frankly completely and utterly missing the point. It isn't about whether Kane is as good as Neymar or not (transfer fees rarely are). Neymar's transfer itself isn't even an accurate representation of his value to Barcelona. They set a low value, based on Neymar and his entourage's sneakiness and also based on their (and everyone's) inability to see the rise of clubs like Man City and PSG, who would be willing to spend that much on a single player, as well as the general explosion of the market.

Its easy to forget that Ronaldo's transfer was only 8 years ago. At the time, he blew the transfer record away. Did you think 8 years later that a reasonable cb would be going for 5 million less? That Bonucci would be going for half of what he did? That Bale, much derided initially on this forum especially, would eclipse his fee? That Liverpool would be turning down almost double his fee for a player like Coutinho? That Kevin Wimmer would be going for 20 million, our 4th or 5th choice centre back and a few which, until 4 years ago, would have been Tottenham's transfer record?

A player's fee is set by how much the buying club is willing to spend and how much the selling club is willing to accept. Not by what fans on the internet think about the player's ability and how many instagram followers the player has. Whether Kane is better or worse than Neymar is frankly completely irrelevant. Tottenham won't accept 100 million. We can't do anything with 100 million, its frankly useless in this market when compared to the value of Kane to us, both on and off the pitch.

Though its simple. If buying clubs value him at 100 million, we don't sell.
 
BobbyManc said:
No one said Kane was unmarketable, but he's a nobody compared to Neymar. Neymar has 36.5m followers on Twitter, compared to 1.4m for Kane (even Zabaleta, a full-back, has double that). As far as I'm aware only Ronaldo and LeBron James are more followed sportspeople on Twitter than Neymar. He's one of a few names in football than transcends the sport. It's hardly going to impact the value of a player much, but there's no denying it influenced PSG to activate his release clause. They didn't just want an insanely talented player, they wanted a superstar, and were willing to pay whatever was needed to land him. He was a unique case.
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This is a pretty silly way of looking at things regardless of whether Neymar is more marketable than Kane or not (he is) because, with all due respect to my own club, Neymar has played now for Barcelona and PSG, while Kane plays for Spurs. We also don't really have random englishmen following people on instagram thr way Brazilians may do with their own players. I wonder how many twitter and instagram followers (jesus christ, what has football become) Bale had before his record transfer?

Also, he obviously wasn't a unique case at all. Liverpool turned down 150 million for Coutinho (who has 1.2 million followers). Put down 150 million for Dembele (who has 465K followers). VVD just went for 75Mil (he has 190k). Bonucci went for 40 million and he has 1.5 million. Lukaku 75 (1.2 million), Gylfi 40 (a few thousand).

Not to mention that again, Barcelona didn't accept 200 million. They were forced to due to a buyout clause and tried everything to stop the transfer. For them, Neymar was actually worth much more than 200 million.

This is genuinely such a strange and silly conversation.
 
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redNATION said:
Winning trophies whilst being the star of a team is precisely what makes a player great. Neymar went to PSG because he wanted to be the star, not in the shadow of Messi, it has nothing to do with comfort zones for him, and if anything has now heaped more pressure on himself with the price tag and expectation. The fact that he's left his home country, thousands of miles away, and now played in two different European countries, is testament to that. Could Kane do that?

Only Spurs fans could come up with such nonsense. Kane is a very good player, but Neymar is heading toward all-time-greats status, especially if he wins the World Cup with Brazil. I dont think anyone would argue that Shearer was better than Nazario Ronaldo or Ronaldinho, and likewise the comparison here is way off the mark.
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What a strange comment. If Kane was brazilian, he wouldn't still be in Brazil, that's for sure. ANy half decent Brazilian leaves. Any half decent Englishman would leave as well if other leagues were clearly superior and paid significantly more. Yeah, I'm sure Neymar left to be the star and that's the only reason...

Could Bale have moved to Spain for a world record fee and won 3 champions leagues, the little welsh boy who used to drive home every week to see his mum? How do you know what Kane could or couldn't do until his career is over?

Also, such comments are very silly. Only spurs fans could come up with such nonsense. Other than the non spurs fans in this very thread that are saying the same?

Incidentally, I think Neymar is better than Kane and also obviously more marketable but this does remind me a little of the Bale Nani conversations and even actually the initial Kane conversations.
 
AlwaysRed66 said:
Kane is far better than the overrated Neymar. What sort of world superstar drops down into an inferior league. Only 3rd best player at Barcelona, who are doing far better since he left.
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Overrated Neymar? 300 competitive goals by 25 years of age, 100 professional goals by 20 Broke Peles record at Santos. 4th highest Brazil scorer of all time at 25, won the S. American footballer of the year by a margin similar to Pele, Romario and Zico,
5 league titles, champions league, Olympic Gold,
Fifa world cup dream team AND Bronze Ball (due to injury), 1 World Cup = 4 goals,
Champions league squad of the season, Uefa team of the year, Fifa World Xi twice

If you think Kane is better than Neymar then fine, I respect your biased opinion.
If you think Neymar is overrated, then I just don't know what to say to you. It's just over for you. Football isn't your thing.
Allegri; "When Messi and Ronaldo get older, it will be Neymar and Dybala who will be the best players in the world."

weird that these football bosses seem to always mention Neymar as the heir but not Arry. Must be a deep seated hatred of England or maybe Brexit
 
Please stop underrating Neymar, he is an exceptional footballer - one of the most creative players in history to be very blunt. He is not as clinical as Kane and Lewandowski, but why are they even being compared? Neymar is on the pitch to create chances and score goals, dribble and get people up from their seats. When he is interested, only Messi can equal him in terms of doing special things - just like Ronaldinho did in his time (although Ronaldinho was the best at it!)

He is also a big-game player, he opens up tight games with insane pace whilst taking on players. Free-kicks, de Bruyne-like passes, technique, pace, wild shots - he has everything to please the objective viewer.

What he lacks is interest and passion sometimes, he is petulent and arrogant many times. But guess what, genius comes out in many forms and there’s a certain Portuguese that did the same.
 
Well, this thread got embarrassing very fast. Neymar is an utterly fantastic player, a generational talent and where he plays matters not a damn with regard to that. Some people are really talking out of their asses here.
 
Stacks said:
Overrated Neymar? 300 competitive goals by 25 years of age, 100 professional goals by 20 Broke Peles record at Santos. 4th highest Brazil scorer of all time at 25, won the S. American footballer of the year by a margin similar to Pele, Romario and Zico,
5 league titles, champions league, Olympic Gold,
Fifa world cup dream team AND Bronze Ball (due to injury), 1 World Cup = 4 goals,
Champions league squad of the season, Uefa team of the year, Fifa World Xi twice

If you think Kane is better than Neymar then fine, I respect your biased opinion.
If you think Neymar is overrated, then I just don't know what to say to you. It's just over for you. Football isn't your thing.
Allegri; "When Messi and Ronaldo get older, it will be Neymar and Dybala who will be the best players in the world."

weird that these football bosses seem to always mention Neymar as the heir but not Arry. Must be a deep seated hatred of England or maybe Brexit
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I like how an opinion that differs from your own automatically becomes biased. Only a fanboy would think that.
 
Stacks said:
If you think Kane is better than Neymar then fine, I respect your biased opinion.
If you think Neymar is overrated, then I just don't know what to say to you. It's just over for you. Football isn't your thing.
Allegri; "When Messi and Ronaldo get older, it will be Neymar and Dybala who will be the best players in the world."

weird that these football bosses seem to always mention Neymar as the heir but not Arry. Must be a deep seated hatred of England or maybe Brexit
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Wait, what? The poster who said that us called always red. Why would he be biased towards a spurs player?

Secondly, what on earth does Brexit have to do with this?

Neymar is better than Kane imo but as I said regarding Bale again and again on this forum as I was told that Nani had already reached a higher level than Bale ever could, what is the point of trying to guess these players peaks and what they could achieve?

When Bale was on the longest losing stream in English football, how many of the people mocking him thought that a few years later, he'd be moving for a world record fee to real Madrid and a few years after that, have a league title and three champions league medals?

I don't know what others are saying but I never insinuated that kanes price would depend on his ability relative to Neymar or that he's better than Neymar. In fact, I said the complete opposite.
 
africanspur said:
A player's fee is set by how much the buying club is willing to spend and how much the selling club is willing to accept. Not by what fans on the internet think about the player's ability and how many instagram followers the player has. Whether Kane is better or worse than Neymar is frankly completely irrelevant. Tottenham won't accept 100 million. We can't do anything with 100 million, its frankly useless in this market when compared to the value of Kane to us, both on and off the pitch.
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I don't disagree. I never intended to suggest Spurs would sell Kane for £100m. I can't see anyone offering more than £150m (and that would be including bonuses too) though, which I think Spurs would reject too unless the player made clear he wanted the move.

africanspur said:
This is a pretty silly way of looking at things regardless of whether Neymar is more marketable than Kane or not (he is) because, with all due respect to my own club, Neymar has played now for Barcelona and PSG, while Kane plays for Spurs. We also don't really have random englishmen following people on instagram thr way Brazilians may do with their own players. I wonder how many twitter and instagram followers (jesus christ, what has football become) Bale had before his record transfer?
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The Twitter followers was just to demonstrate how much of a global superstar Neymar is. As I said before, PSG wanted a superstar, not just someone with his talent. That's partly why they were willing to activate his release clause. Not to mention, he's a better player than Kane, there shouldn't even really be any debate about that.
 
Anyone who thinks Kane is better than Neymar is a moron. Different tiers of player.

I can see Kane becoming a more effective player in the future whilst Neymar loses focus .. but if both in peak form, Neymar is from a different planet to Kane (even taking into account that they play different positions).
 
C'mon guys. I don't think any football fans with a bit of knowledge would take Kane over Neymar if they are offered on the same price and salary.

But it's true that Kane is an emerging football world star.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Yeah, yeah, but will Kane play both games in the next FF game-week?
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I’d say he will play vs West Ham, personally I’d start him every game he was fit for at this point 2nd, 3rd and 4th all still up for grabs and we need to take advantage of United’s slump in form. This is the time of the season we kicked on last season.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I’d say he will play vs West Ham, personally I’d start him every game he was fit for at this point 2nd, 3rd and 4th all still up for grabs and we need to take advantage of United’s slump in form. This is the time of the season we kicked on last season.
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So no Kane vs Swansea?

I know United are the biggest club in the PL, but you'd probably be better need to focus on Liverpool first mate as they're directly above you, and winning your game in hand puts you a point behind them - whereas you currently sit 7 points beneath us...
 
Lord SInister said:
Neymar is a super star. Even those who don't follow football know him, teenage girls are crazy about him. He has David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo kind of fame.
Kane has not yet reached that level of fame and acclaim.
Also as a player Neymar is already a elite, while Kane is just entering the scene.
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I'm talking about player abilities and attributes, not fame and acclaim or posters on teenage bedroom walls. In any case, it's a lot easier to attract all that if you play (played) for Barca.
 
Raees said:
Anyone who thinks Kane is better than Neymar is a moron. Different tiers of player.

I can see Kane becoming a more effective player in the future whilst Neymar loses focus .. but if both in peak form, Neymar is from a different planet to Kane (even taking into account that they play different positions).
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It's not that Kane is better than Neymar. However, Kane would be in a World XI as the striker, so what higher tier is there than that?
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's not that Kane is better than Neymar. However, Kane would be in a World XI as the striker, so what higher tier is there than that?
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Neymar is already one of the all time great left wingers. Has he fully reached his potential? No and he may never do that but as good as Kane is, his overall ceiling just doesn't come close to Neymar who is a genius level footballer.

Kane will have to win multiple CLs and lead England to semis of a World Cup. He will have to become the best English player since Moore and Charlton basically to even compete on Neymars current footing. It's a huge ask.
 
Even if we wanted Bale back, we would never be able to afford what he would now consider a reasonable wage (which would still be a massive pay cut for him).
 
africanspur said:
Even if we wanted Bale back, we would never be able to afford what he would now consider a reasonable wage (which would still be a massive pay cut for him).
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Yes,that's unfortunately the main problem with Bale,his massive contract.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
So no Kane vs Swansea?

I know United are the biggest club in the PL, but you'd probably be better need to focus on Liverpool first mate as they're directly above you, and winning your game in hand puts you a point behind them - whereas you currently sit 7 points beneath us...
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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he played he's fully fit and in form, but who knows. If we beat Swansea we're only 4 points behind you which isn't much considering how far ahead you were.
 
Raees said:
Neymar is already one of the all time great left wingers. Has he fully reached his potential? No and he may never do that but as good as Kane is, his overall ceiling just doesn't come close to Neymar who is a genius level footballer.

Kane will have to win multiple CLs and lead England to semis of a World Cup. He will have to become the best English player since Moore and Charlton basically to even compete on Neymars current footing. It's a huge ask.
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This is a nonsense argument, because it depends hugely on the calibre of players (and managers) surrounding Kane during his career, rather than on Kane himself. Would you set a similar bar for Neymar if he played for Switzerland and B. Dortmund? I doubt it.

You say that Neymar is already one of the all time great left wingers, but Kane is already the best striker in the world, probably hasn't yet fully reached his potential and probably will reach it .... because he is such a dedicated professional.
 
Don't think you can really compare Kane and Neymar, very different players. One thing for sure, they're both beast mode.
 
GlastonSpur said:
This is a nonsense argument, because it depends hugely on the calibre of players (and managers) surrounding Kane during his career, rather than on Kane himself. Would you set a similar bar for Neymar if he played for Switzerland and B. Dortmund? I doubt it.

You say that Neymar is already one of the all time great left wingers, but Kane is already the best striker in the world, probably hasn't yet fully reached his potential and probably will reach it .... because he is such a dedicated professional.
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That's the point, my argument rests on Kane going to a bigger club and not matching Neymars overall achievements on club and domestic scene. A gamble on my part but one I'd be happy to stick by and we can review it in a few years.

Fwiw I do think Kane is special.. just not Neymar level special.
 
Raees said:
That's the point, my argument rests on Kane going to a bigger club and not matching Neymars overall achievements on club and domestic scene. A gamble on my part but one I'd be happy to stick by and we can review it in a few years.

Fwiw I do think Kane is special.. just not Neymar level special.
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If by some miracle both Kane and Neymar became available for purchase tomorrowing morning, which one would you chose to play for United?
 
Random Task said:
If by some miracle both Kane and Neymar became available for purchase tomorrowing morning, which one would you chose to play for United?
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Neymar.

Love Kane but that is a straightforward choice and I'd play Martial as 9.
 
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