But Kane isn't just basic footballer, he is one of the most complete player in the league. His link up play, passing, strength have all improved immensely. His shooting with both feet is up there with anyone in the league.
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But Kane isn't just basic footballer, he is one of the most complete player in the league. His link up play, passing, strength have all improved immensely. His shooting with both feet is up there with anyone in the league.
Innit. I wonder if people seriously believe some of the tripe they post sometimes. Kane a basic footballer
As you say he is the one of the most complete strikers in Europe. Can drop off and play passes like the best number 10s, can lead the line, hold the ball up, run in behind, his striking is ridiculously accurate from all angles and distances. He is strong as an Ox, he can dribble through players in a ungainly but deceptively efficient way, he is excellent in the air, he is hard-working, whilst he's not lightning quick he still regularly outpaces or matches defenders to an extent where if Kane gets a run on the CB and is through on goal, they aren't catching him, and when he then uses his strength to brush them off, it's again very deceptive. His movement is so good he doesn't need to be Usain Bolt to get one on ones.
'Basic' in that he doesn't do fancy step overs, unnecessary flicks, etc. Again, like Shearer. It's not a slight in any way. That is what I believe Jaybomb meant.
Fair enough if he meant that.
Will Griggs on fire, your defence is terrified!
If he didn't mean that, then I'm with you. Kane is a fantastic player.
Kane is a very good dribbler - it's not fancy in space like you'll see from someone like Neymar, but in the box he's very strong and deceptively shifty and creates space with his dribbling to get shots off with either feet. It's actually one of his best attributes as a player.
He's also terrific with his back to goal and holding the ball up. It was striking against Swansea with Llorente starting how much less "sticky" the ball was up top, and Llorente is no slouch holding the ball up - he's just not in Kane's league. Kane's first touch and footwork are fecking excellent and it really shows in that area.
He's also terrific with his back to goal and holding the ball up. It was striking against Swansea with Llorente starting how much less "sticky" the ball was up top, and Llorente is no slouch holding the ball up - he's just not in Kane's league. Kane's first touch and footwork are fecking excellent and it really shows in that area.
Kane is often seen as this one-dimensional striker capable of little more than scoring goals, but reality would suggest that his overall ability extends far beyond that of a basic striker. Apart from being one of the most composed finishers in the game today, he also has a huge range of passing, exceptional team-ethic, high work-rate and he can do it all with both feet in equal measure. Top draw footballer in every sense. Furthermore he would seemingly improve these attributes on a weekly basis, as if his ceiling were unlimited.
I struggle to think of a singular asset of which he does not possess. He doesn't score a great deal with his head, but that's more down to Spurs' style of play than a lack of ability in that department.
Best striker in the world for me.
He is very direct in his style of play, as such his first instinct is to get in behind the defense. We don't see enough of his link-up play.
Spurs fans did you honestly see Kane being anywhere near this level when he was playing in your youth teams etc?
He was pretty highly regarded by a few who watched him in youth teams, etc - he was clearly going to be a PL level forward. He had been in the England setup for ages and made his professional debut at 17 years old, it's not like he was some kid nobody had heard of. In 2013 one Tottenham blog compared him to Steven Fletcher, and I think that was probably in line with what most people were thinking. And that's not a bad level to be at - a career PL quality striker. People definitely thought he was quality - but no, nobody was saying this kid is going to be in the conversation for "best striker in the world" in a few years. That would have been crazy talk.
The thing was, he came up as a 2nd striker. Even out on loan at Millwall he played behind Andy Keough, and it wasn't until his loan at Leicester that he started playing as a true #9 and growing into the role. Basically from the moment he returned to Spurs after that loan and established himself as a line leading striker he exploded and hasn't stopped.
No. He did well in youth football (though wasn't even necessarily always the top scorer from what I remember) but didn't do all that well on his loans either.
There was a bit of chatter from around the club that he was very good talent (especially due to his attitude) but I think most thought he may well make a decent PL career out of himself at best. A small number of dedicated youth followers always said he had a lot of talent and would be better than that though again, I don't think many would have predicted he'd essentially become a goal per game striker.
Shows you
a) how clueless most football fans are generally
b) how loan spells should be taken in context
c) how young players should always be given slack and time to develop and grow without constant heavy expectation and urge to sell after a few bad performances. We need to have more patience with young players
Kane is excellent at shifting the ball to his other foot very quickly to get his shot off. Not many players can do that, it's normally read by the defender and they get the block in, but Kane can shift it on to his right or left foot and get a yard to blast across goal. Very effective.
He's also extremely good at little "dummy" dribbles to get the defender thinking he's going onto one foot and then leaving them leaning the wrong way when he finally shifts the ball. Considering there's effectively no difference in his finishing with either foot, it has a be a nightmare to try and stay in front of him in the box.
He's also turned himself into a fecking unit and he bullies people now, something he didn't do as a youngster. Get on his hip or behind him and it's over.
Spot on really. Lingard is obviously not as good as Kane or anywhere near but he was being derided as Championship level by many on here just a few months ago.
It's also why everyone needs to take a deep breath on players like Rashford and let them grow in a natural progression (which will include ups and downs). It seems for many it's either be an absolute wunderkid at 18 contending for Ballon d'Or immediately or be absolute garbage.
You should post this in the Rashford thread, the stick he is receiving due to a few up and down performances lately is shameful. Can't even bring myself to post in the thread.
I never saw much in Lingard to be fair, I always thought his limited technique would see him amount to nothing more than a squad player at best. His metetoric rise in the game, despite his limitations, is down to his outstanding attitude and will to persevere more than anything. Watching him grow to become a key member of the team, when I didn't give him the time of day initially, is very humbling indeed. Makes you realise that we fans don't know nearly as much as we think we do.
Mourinho saw his potential though, so did LVG, they both deserve credit for that.
Go to a Spurs forum and click on a Dele Alli thread if you dare. And he's scored 9 goals already this season!
Keane, Neville, Fergie or some other self-professed prophet.
Nope, it was you. Do I win a prize?
Not having his best season in terms his general performance levels is young Dele, but as you say 9 goals is an excellent contribution any way you slice it. I've always been a fan of his, although he comes across a little petulant for my liking. Perhaps he will grow out of that in time.
Indeed.The Man.
I still don't know who you're talking about.
Fergie
I'm curious, do you think Kane has already done more for spurs than Bale and Modric or are they club legends ?
Neither Modric or Bale are club legends. Kane already is ahead of them imho and if he stays another 3 or 4 years (hopefully more) he will undoubtably be a club legend - he already is ahead of the likes of Sheringham, etc on his goal scoring record alone.
Whoa now, Bale and Modric are definitely club legends - if nothing else, they represent the revival of the club after the horrific early Premier League era. Knocking both Milan clubs out of the CL, finally bringing some "Glory Glory" nights back to WHL ... that'll definitely be a big part of the story of the next decades of Tottenham football.
Spurs don't get a new stadium without Bale, Modric and VdV
Spurs don't get a new stadium without Bale, Modric and VdV
Great players for us yes but club legends? Really? I don't think so. Club legends to me are the likes of Hoddle, Blanchflower, Jennings, Gazza (debatable), Greaves. Players who left a real mark on the club and were part of great success. Neither Bale nor Modric stayed at the club long enough, nor did they bring any tangible success to the club (bar some great European nights, what did we win?). I honestly think you do a disservice to the real legends of the club to include them - no disrespect to either of them by the way as I dearly loved watching them play for Spurs. At the current rate Kane will be right up there though.
I bet every football club wished they had a "basic" striker on their books, there is some shit and real lack of understand football on here.
Exactly the player United need.
Not attainable for a few years and would take astronomical money to get ever. The board would have to show balls and audacity that we have never really done before. It would take a bold move to ever pull it off.
Not attainable for a few years and would take astronomical money to get ever. The board would have to show balls and audacity that we have never really done before. It would take a bold move to ever pull it off.
This 100 times.
Club legends? do me a favour. Bale and Modric are definitely not club legends. Great players? yes, lit up the Lane? yes, world class when they played for Spurs? yes. Club legends, no chance.
Kane will be a club legend regardless of when/if he ever leaves Spurs.
Legends? Modric was a Spurs for four years and was nothing spectacular his first two years. Then his stock rose quite a bit and he left for Real Madrid when he really started to kick things off, where he has later developed 2-3 levels and become a true world-class player. Spurs yielded a total of 0 trophies whilst he was there, so I would hardly call him a legend. Bale only turned good after 2-3 years at Spurs, where his last season was sublime when he netted 21 goals in the league. Again, zero trophies for Spurs.
They were the two best players you have had since the inception of the Premier League, together with Harry Kane of course, but legends they are not. Legends win trophies.
Steven Gerrard angrily protests.
No. Modric was world class when at Spurs. He was arguably the best CM/DLP in the PL when Madrid came calling.
It's crazy how fans rate players these days.
Best way to think about it would be if Kane was a top trump, he'd probably be an 7/10 in every department. He's not a world class dribbler (these are the players everyone creams themselves over), not unbelievably fast or strong, he's a good finisher but is he as good as a prime Lewandowski, Henry or Ruud, probably not. However, when you combine all the aspects of his game you get a truly complete player.
No, I did not see it. He played mostly as a typical number 9 - back to goal and waiting for ball to come to him - during his youth time and while on loans. He had Sherlingham-esqe quality about him though - good touches and eyes for a pass. It was Pochettino that transformed him IMO. He now is always moving, always pressing, always look to turn & run at defender.
None of the 3 are club legends tbh (yet for Kane).
I don't agree that you need to win trophies to be a club legend (though it obviously helps), otherwise most clubs would have no club legends at all.
If Kane gets into the top 5 scorers in our history in the next couple of seasons and especially if he wins a trophy or two, he'll undoubtedly get there.
I can see what vadimivich means about Bale and Modric and the impact they had but unfortunately, not for me either. Perhaps if they'd stayed a bit longer/ Modric hadn't tried to force a move to Chelsea. But I can't really see them as club legends.
Well, that's also because he scored 31 goals in his full debut season. Then the season after that. Spurs wouldn't insist with young players if they're not producing.
Also Spurs hasn't had any experience striker as Kane's backup. So how it is with "giving young player without constant heavy expectation"?
What? I'm not talking about Kane specifically or about his first season. I'm talking about young players in general. Loads of fan would have seen Kane struggling away in the lower leagues and said if he can't even score goals in League 1, what's the point of giving him a chance? They would have seen him lumbering around looking like a bit of an oaf and wondered how this man would develop into anything beyond a squad player max at the club.
But seeing as we're talking about Kane, he scored 5 in 18 at Leyton Orient, 7 in 22 at Millwall, 0 in 3 at Norwich and 2 in 13 at Leicester (in the championship). He also scored 5 in 26 appearances before that first full season. He was hardly pulling up trees. Kane, as with Alli, as with Rashford, Martial, Ihenacho, whatever, need time and they need patience. I hardly think that is a very controversial comment.
Also, Spurs very much have had experienced strikers as Kane's backup. The 4 strikers we've had on the books during Kane's past 4 seasons (when he's cemented himself as undisputed 1st choice) were Adebayor, Soldado, Janssen and Llorente. They may be shite, slow, overrated whatever. But other than when we tried a different tack with Janssen, they've all been older, experienced strikers.
Also, the heavy expectation I'm talking about is about fan reactions. So you can appreciate that Alli or Rashford for example are still teenagers and not slate them if they're not living up to the very high expectations they may have initially set for you. That they are still learning the game and don't warrant perhaps the same scrutiny as more experienced players would.
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