Harry Kane MBE | Performances

Paolo Di Canio said:
I would say both, definetley as good infront of goal as any striker in the last 10 years. Maybe Suarez is more skilful but its goals what count with strikers.
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No it's not. Your overall contribution is what counts. There's no chance he's as good as Suarez at his best. "Maybe" Suarez is more skillful? :lol:

What next, his numbers match Ronaldo9 so he's as good as him too? Kane is a terrific striker, but he's not at that elite level.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
No it's not. Your overall contribution is what counts. There's no chance he's as good as Suarez at his best. "Maybe" Suarez is more skillful? :lol:

What next, his numbers match Ronaldo9 so he's as good as him too? Kane is a terrific striker, but he's not at that elite level.
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For me he is scoring week in week out in a tougher league than Suarez. Suarez does score more outrageous goals but when it comes to finishing he is just as good. And he is just as consistent also.
 
Kane is world class.

It's a shame he's not at a team who will go far in the Champions League so he can prove it in the big games. He's better than the likes of Higuain at Juve imo.

Interesting to see people say he's a much better player than Lukaku. Kane has always played in a much stronger side than Romelu, it'll be interesting to see who has the better season out of the two this year.
 
Bwuk said:
Kane is world class.

It's a shame he's not at a team who will go far in the Champions League so he can prove it in the big games. He's better than the likes of Higuain at Juve imo.

Interesting to see people say he's a much better player than Lukaku. Kane has always played in a much stronger side than Romelu, it'll be interesting to see who has the better season out of the two this year.
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Yeah tbf I think in terms of goals they will end up with this year it might be fairly similar. But for me their overall games are not even comparable. Kane is actually really good technically, he's intelligent and his link up play is very good.
 
Bwuk said:
Kane is world class.

It's a shame he's not at a team who will go far in the Champions League so he can prove it in the big games. He's better than the likes of Higuain at Juve imo.

Interesting to see people say he's a much better player than Lukaku. Kane has always played in a much stronger side than Romelu, it'll be interesting to see who has the better season out of the two this year.
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No reason as to why he can't have a good CL season with Spurs, especially after their win last night. Progression to the last 16 is possible for them and quarter-finals may be a realistic aim.
 
Shuriken said:
Easy to say now. Impossible to know at that time in question though.
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Not really. They sold an expendable RB for £50 million. Real were asking north of £70 million for Morata. Lukaku had gone for £100 million. Levy was not selling Kane for £100 million.

Shuriken said:
But you said nothing less than £150m. You don't know that.
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I don't know if you are familiar with Levy or not, but he was not letting Kane go for under that.
 
haram said:
Not really. They sold an expendable RB for £50 million. Real were asking north of £70 million for Morata. Lukaku had gone for £100 million. Levy was not selling Kane for £100 million.
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But you said nothing less than £150m. You don't know that.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
For me he is scoring week in week out in a tougher league than Suarez. Suarez does score more outrageous goals but when it comes to finishing he is just as good. And he is just as consistent also.
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The PL isn't tougher and scoring isn't everything which is why when you look at the elite strikers you see ones who offer a lot more in addition to that.
 
You can't criticise him right now, he is starting to deliver for England and in the CL.
 
I'm certain Kane wouldn't have left for less than £150m pre Neymar but that is based solely on the Levy and my gut instinct.

Cheesy said:
No reason as to why he can't have a good CL season with Spurs, especially after their win last night. Progression to the last 16 is possible for them and quarter-finals may be a realistic aim.
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Definitely, they should beat Apoel next match with Dortmund playing Madrid. Should build up a 6 point lead by the time the next round of matches are done.
 
I wonder if he'll stay at Spurs. The guy is getting 120k a week. Maybe he is cool with that but it must be hard knowing that if he moved anywhere he'd easy get 200k a week. Lukaku is on 250k. Money obviously isn't everything but unless the Spurs wage structure changes I can see him moving.
 
GlastonSpur said:
In terms of goals-scored-per-minutes played during 2017 so far, Kane has the best record bar none across Europe's top 5 leagues:

Kane: 76.7m per goal
Lewandowski: 81.7m per goal
Cavani: 84.8m per goal
Messi: 85.6m per goal
Ronaldo: 88.4m per goal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...am-s-Harry-Kane-deadliest-striker-Europe.html
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Impressive, I give you that. That's only for the club and all competitions, right? Not giving DM a click, but what's the difference in goals scored in 2017 between those players?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I wonder if he'll stay at Spurs. The guy is getting 120k a week. Maybe he is cool with that but it must be hard knowing that if he moved anywhere he'd easy get 200k a week. Lukaku is on 250k. Money obviously isn't everything but unless the Spurs wage structure changes I can see him moving.
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He has said time and time again he wants to stay and win things with Spurs there is no doubting Spurs is his club. I honestly don't think he will move for the foreseeable future maybe when he's 27-28 and if we still aren't winning things, a bit like Teddy. It's actually quite a refreshing attitude from such a young guy.
 
Red Star One said:
Impressive, I give you that. That's only for the club and all competitions, right? Not giving DM a click, but what's the difference in goals scored in 2017 between those players?
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Yes, just club goals.

In terms of the number of goals scored:

Messi: 39
Cavani: 34
Lewandowski: 30
Ronaldo level with Kane on 29.
 
InLevyITrust said:
He has said time and time again he wants to stay and win things with Spurs there is no doubting Spurs is his club. I honestly don't think he will move for the foreseeable future maybe when he's 27-28 and if we still aren't winning things, a bit like Teddy. It's actually quite a refreshing attitude from such a young guy.
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If that is the case then it certainly is. Got to admire him really. If like you say he thinks there is a chance of Spurs winning stuff then hopefully he will stay.
I don't even really know where he would go as the big clubs in the PL have players that should be there for the future. Don't see him fitting in with the way teams like PSG or Barca would play. Maybe not even Real. So Bayern maybe but then I doubt they would pay the fee needed for him.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Yes, just club goals.

In terms of the number of goals scored:

Messi: 39
Cavani: 34
Lewandowski: 30
Ronaldo level with Kane on 29.
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10 of Ronaldo's goals came in the final stages of the CL (quarters to final), 7 of Kane's goals came in two meaningless games at the end of the season.
 
Treble said:
10 of Ronaldo's goals came in the final stages of the CL (quarters to final), 7 of Kane's goals came in two meaningless games at the end of the season.
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The more significant stat is the goals-per-minute-played across the whole of 2017 so far:

Kane: 76.7m per goal
Ronaldo: 88.4m per goal
 
GlastonSpur said:
The more significant stat is the goals-per-minute-played across the whole of 2017 so far:

Kane: 76.7m per goal
Ronaldo: 88.4m per goal
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The final stages of the CL vs two meaningless league games?
 
van der star said:
Totti is much more well known than Shearer ever was. There's no comparison between the two.
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There is. Both stuck to boyhood clubs despite interest from major European clubs, were prolific front men and ended their careers as legends at Newcastle/Roma. Both were good for their country and both had very limited CL success (the original point of the post)

It's worth noting Shearer scored more domestic goals, more international goals & more CL goals. I know Totti became more of an advanced playmaker over time but there's a definite comparison to be made in the careers overall.

Anyway, going back to original point, I am sure people who follow football in Europe know who Shearer is.
 
haram said:
I don't know if you are familiar with Levy or not, but he was not letting Kane go for under that.
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I am, but probably not as ITK as you are. You can make up any price and say that Levy wanted that much. That still doesn't make it true.

How do you know Levy wouldn't have accepted a bid of £120m, or £130m, or £140m? Let me answer that for you: you don't. You're just guessing.
 
I reckon that Kane's probably the best striker in the EPL right now. But his stats were massivley inflated by two meaningless games at the end of the season when he scored 7 goals over 180 minutes. Take those meaningless games out (the title and the second place were already decided at that time) and his goals to minutes ratio looks much less impressive: goal every 92 minutes.

That's about Gabriel Jesus's minutes per goal ratio. But Gabriel doesn't take pens...
 
He's clearly the best striker in the league at the moment. I don't think the gap between him and Lukaku is as wide as it's made out to be though, especially if you aim to measure them based on goals scored. Can see Lukaku matching him all the way to the golden boot, this season and those to come.

Kane has that ability to turn a match around virtually on his own, by grabbing the ball and simply forcing it into the net, by hook or crook. That's not something I see Lukaku ever acquiring. But in terms of sheer goalscoring, I think they'll be pretty close in the years to come. I really hope Kane does stay at Spurs, and that they remain competitive.
 
If he's being touted as the best striker in one of (arguably the) strongest league in the world, he has to be considered world class.

I don't know if he's better than Aguero yet, but I feel he will be.
 
Jed I. Knight said:
He's clearly the best striker in the league at the moment. I don't think the gap between him and Lukaku is as wide as it's made out to be though, especially if you aim to measure them based on goals scored. Can see Lukaku matching him all the way to the golden boot, this season and those to come.

Kane has that ability to turn a match around virtually on his own, by grabbing the ball and simply forcing it into the net, by hook or crook. That's not something I see Lukaku ever acquiring. But in terms of sheer goalscoring, I think they'll be pretty close in the years to come. I really hope Kane does stay at Spurs, and that they remain competitive.
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Clearly not. Lukaku has been a beast for Everton, West Brom and now United. No matter what the conditions, he's scored a lot of goals. Kane is without a doubt, world class, but it would be interesting to see how he'd cope outside of a dominant, high chemistry side. Maybe Euro 2016 gave us a taste of that.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
It's a shame England don't have anymore players that are at his level. Going to be difficult to build a half decent team around him. We may have been able to compete for something if we did.
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He's not going to be able to do it on his own, he needs a cohesive system around him. Unfortunately we don't have a manager capable of implementing one. Might result in more Euro 16 esque performances.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The PL isn't tougher and scoring isn't everything which is why when you look at the elite strikers you see ones who offer a lot more in addition to that.
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The PL is not tougher than La Liga? Seriously ?

I understand what your saying mate, they drop deep and get involved in build up etc and assist. But end of the day a strikers job is put in the ball in the net. Id much rather a Shearer, Van Nistelrooy etc in my team if they are going to score more goals than this type of striker.
 
I don't think he should necessarily leave just to join a better team where he'll be just another star name. He strikes me as one of those dying breeds of players who could easily go on to become a one-man club legend type with amazing individual statistics. He's a Tottenham lad from their youth squad after all and I don't think we've seen an English player like him emerge since Rooney. Everton weren't challenging for titles and they weren't in the Champions League so it made a lot of sense for Rooney to leave for us. Kane on the other hand? Not at the moment. I don't think he'll leave unless Spurs become a bit shit again.

And he is World Class. The notion that you have to play for one of the big money teams to be World Class (as Phil Neville said earlier today) is redundant thinking.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
The PL is not tougher than La Liga? Seriously ?

I understand what your saying mate, they drop deep and get involved in build up etc and assist. But end of the day a strikers job is put in the ball in the net. Id much rather a Shearer, Van Nistelrooy etc in my team if they are going to score more goals than this type of striker.
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Absolutely. La liga is the best league around even though I prefer the PL for obvious reasons. This entire Pl is hardest league ever is pure hype. It's a great league but second best right now, for me.

That's a preference. Strikers like Ronaldo, Suarez, Henry etc could both create and score. That's what elevates some strikers above others. Why would anyone want a goalscorer over a goalscorer who can also beat defenders, create and is superb on the ball?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Absolutely. La liga is the best league around even though I prefer the PL for obvious reasons. This entire Pl is hardest league ever is pure hype. It's a great league but second best right now, for me.

That's a preference. Strikers like Ronaldo, Suarez, Henry etc could both create and score. That's what elevates some strikers above others. Why would anyone want a goalscorer over a goalscorer who can also beat defenders, create and is superb on the ball?
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In my opinion, people are now afraid to call pure goal scorers world class in this day and age. I understand Suarez, Aguero, Dybala, Zlatan etc can do alot more on the ball and make smart runs and touches. But you cannot beat a good fox in the box, a Lewandowski, Kane, Jesus, Costa are just as valuable even if there all round game is not as good. And I would sign Kane above any striker in world football at the minute.
 
Treble said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

The final stages of the CL vs two meaningless league games?
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The whole of 2017 (the calendar year) covers more than "two meaningless games"
 
I think people are a bit harsh if they say Kane doesn't offer much outside of goals, yesterdays performance was a complete performance where he held the ball up well, beat people, showed good vision and team-play as well as lethal finishing.
 
hellohello said:
I think people are a bit harsh if they say Kane doesn't offer much outside of goals, yesterdays performance was a complete performance where he held the ball up well, beat people, showed good vision and team-play as well as lethal finishing.
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I don't understand what more people want from a young striker more than what he is giving at the minute.
 
Treble said:
I reckon that Kane's probably the best striker in the EPL right now. But his stats were massivley inflated by two meaningless games at the end of the season when he scored 7 goals over 180 minutes. Take those meaningless games out (the title and the second place were already decided at that time) and his goals to minutes ratio looks much less impressive: goal every 92 minutes.

That's about Gabriel Jesus's minutes per goal ratio. But Gabriel doesn't take pens...
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Have you subjected the other players named to the same forensic analysis in terms of how many goals they scored in "meaningless games"?

In any case, one could argue that many games for RM in La Liga (for example) are "meaningless" in the sense that the gulf in class between RM and the opposition is so vast that the outcome is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Have you subjected the other players named to the same forensic analysis in terms of how many goals they scored in "meaningless games"?

In any case, one could argue that many games for RM in La Liga (for example) are "meaningless" in the sense that the gulf in class between RM and the opposition is so vast that the outcome is pretty much a foregone conclusion.
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Madrid drew two home games without Ronaldo recently. Anyhow, Kane is far from being comparable to Ronaldo. And probably never will be.
 
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