Harry Kane MBE | Performances

11101 said:
Now or in the past?

He's not as good as Aguero at his peak, he lacks the movement, but he's getting close to PL Suarez. He's not as busy but he is just as prolific.
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Paolo Di Canio said:
What does movement matter when he is banging in the goals nearly every game for over a year now? He is in the right place at the right time like a propr number 9 (even though he wears 10)
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Suarez was a complete goal scorer and playmaker. He made Sturridge and Sterling look world class. now ehere are they. Until I see Kane scoring from near the halfway line, keep Suarez name out of this.
 
poacher said:
I know it's controversial to say but I would rate Kane above Lukaku. Lukaku scores a lot of goals but most of them are set up by other players whereas Kane can turn half chances into goals. Kane is very clinical. BTW I have nothing against Lukaku I am just honest enough to admit that Kane is better.
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Its not at all controversial. even Koeman admitted it
 
Stacks said:
Suarez was a complete goal scorer and playmaker. He made Sturridge and Sterling look world class. now ehere are they. Until I see Kane scoring from near the halfway line, keep Suarez name out of this.
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If you read the arguement, I was comparing Kane's finishing to being as good as Suarez, I am aware he can score a wide range of goals and has more to his game.
 
Last night's performance was quite good and is a decent reference point for his continental football resume, but you get the sense that Kane probably needs a Lewandowski vs. Madrid at Westfalenstadion performance to categorically end the stereotype of him being a Premier League specialist. Robert was a quite tepid in the first couple of seasons at Dortmund with only a couple of goals in close to a dozen European games, but that magnificent four goal salvo marked his entry into the elite bracket - and Kane seems to be right on the cusp of that category. Pretty exciting times for attacking-spearhead aficionados with him at Tottenham, Jesus at City (a different profile of striker and only in the early stages of his development), Lukaku at United, and Morata at Chelsea - all of them are still to reach their peak, yet form what is almost definitely the strongest top-heavy bunch in the league since Suárez + Van Persie + Agüero.
 
Invictus said:
Pretty exciting times for attacking-spearhead aficionados with him at Tottenham, Jesus at City (a different profile of striker and only in the early stages of his development), Lukaku at United, and Morata at Chelsea - all of them are still to reach their peak, yet form what is almost definitely the strongest top-heavy bunch in the league since Suárez + Van Persie + Agüero.
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Great point, it's exciting to watch this battle unfold as they all continue to develop.
 
Kane had 7 assists last year in the Premier League. That's the same number David Silva had. He's much more skilled and creative than he's given credit for - he came up in parts as a #10 and it shows in the way he brings other into play.

His pass yesterday to assist on Son's goal was a perfectly weighted ball to start a counter, for example. His quick feet even under pressure while holding the ball up and vision to release runners are a huge bonus.
 
Shuriken said:
Easy to say now. Impossible to know at that time in question though.
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It is also easy to say that he wasn't going to leave for 30 million but we all know logically it wouldn't have happened.

We had no reason to sell Kane. He's the talisman of the team, has shown no inclination to leave yet and more importantly, there is literally no way we can replace him. We cannot afford (in either wages or transfer) players of his stature, ignoring even the fact that players of his stature would likely not come here.

He is just an incredible player. His scoring rate is ridiculous. He is much better at other aspects of the game than a lot of people give him credit for.

Outside of PL, he's now on 10 in 21 for England and 4 in 4 in the CL. Not too bad.
 
Fantastic player that is not given his dues because he does not play for one of the big teams. People seem to impose that big fish in a small pond analysis on him.

I would put him up there with the very best #9s in Europe.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
So do you think Kane can reach Suarez's level?
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Different players. Kane is quite creative (again, he had as many assists last year in the PL as David Silva with 7) but he's not on the level that Suarez is. He's better at hold up play, defending set pieces and other "traditional" striker roles. For a better comparison, I think he can reach Lewandowski's level - frankly, he's probably already right there - and he's capable of firing a team to a title if he stays healthy.

If Kane stays healthy over the next few years, he's got a couple of 30-35 goal seasons in him.
 
Atleast is good news for england. They now have proven goalscorer who can follow on the footsteps of shearer owen and rooney.
Besides there is rashford too.
 
meninred said:
Atleast is good news for england. They now have proven goalscorer who can follow on the footsteps of shearer owen and rooney.
Besides there is rashford too.
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Proven goalscorers in the league don't always translate to England.

Consider Wright, Cole, Fowler, Sheringham, Ferdinand, etc
 
Stacks said:
Suarez was a complete goal scorer and playmaker. He made Sturridge and Sterling look world class. now ehere are they. Until I see Kane scoring from near the halfway line, keep Suarez name out of this.
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So Charlie Adam is better than Kane too?
 
I think Kane is a world clsss finisher and three or four goals against top class opposition in this CL campaign will give him proper world class recognition.

Hes different to Lukaku and while I think Lukaku can get better and become one of the very best Kane sees an opportunity better and is more unerring and clinical in his finishing.
 
Kane is a player who is exploiting his capacities to their max. By that I mean that I don't think he has another gear in his game and just to be clear that isn't a criticism at all, it's like he isn't going to turn into a great dribbler because he doesn't need. He's already doing with ease the most difficult thing in football, putting the ball in the back of the net. Great player and so young too all things considered. I am french but I'm kinda happy that the English have at last, a true great natural goalscorer. It's been a long time coming.
 
He's probably the best finisher in the world outside of Ronaldo. Does that mean he's better than Suarez? No.

He can certainly out score any striker but as an all round players there is a few better ability wise. Having said that id take a 30 goal striker over a 20 goal pleasing on the eye striker.
 
If he continues as he is and Spurs win nothing, he could be a good shout to replace Benzema. All the big teams in England now have young strikers now, so don't really see Chelsea, United or City as an option.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
Fantastic player that is not given his dues because he does not play for one of the big teams. People seem to impose that big fish in a small pond analysis on him.

I would put him up there with the very best #9s in Europe.
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Also because he's english and this is an british/irish driven place. Outside the hardcore PL community he's massively rated
 
saivet said:
If he continues as he is and Spurs win nothing, he could be a good shout to replace Benzema. All the big teams in England now have young strikers now, so don't really see Chelsea, United or City as an option.
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If Kane were to be made available, you can bet united would be in there pitching for him, no doubt about that. Frankly, as well as lukaku is doing, Kane is an upgrade on him, his overall game is better
 
africanspur said:
It is also easy to say that he wasn't going to leave for 30 million but we all know logically it wouldn't have happened.

We had no reason to sell Kane. He's the talisman of the team, has shown no inclination to leave yet and more importantly, there is literally no way we can replace him. We cannot afford (in either wages or transfer) players of his stature, ignoring even the fact that players of his stature would likely not come here.

He is just an incredible player. His scoring rate is ridiculous. He is much better at other aspects of the game than a lot of people give him credit for.

Outside of PL, he's now on 10 in 21 for England and 4 in 4 in the CL. Not too bad.
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That bolded part is a poor example for comparison as it would only lead to one conclusion, it leaves only logical option, just as you say yourself.

Entirely different to what I'm saying, that you can't be sure Levy would've turned down £120m or £130m pre-Neymar/Mbappé. Apart from an eventual confirmation by Levy himself personally, no one can say otherwise, as the offer never even was on the table.

Fully agree with the rest of your post though. Looking at other strikers like Lukaku and Morata, I think Kane is a level above both. And just to make it clear, I do acknowledge that Levy would want at least £150m for Kane now. Probably closer to £200m.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
So do you think Kane can reach Suarez's level?
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as a attacking player? no. not a chance. He is just far more limited. Suarez was always a tricky, energetic creative forward who improved his finishing, kind of like Messi and Ronaldo. The finishing came last but they were always a major threat, so adding clinical finishing completed them. Its like if Sterling gained compusure infront of goal and could bag 15-20 per season, people may start to look at him like Hazard.
 
Stacks said:
as a attacking player? no. not a chance. He is just far more limited. Suarez was always a tricky, energetic creative forward who improved his finishing, kind of like Messi and Ronaldo. The finishing came last but they were always a major threat, so adding clinical finishing completed them. Its like if Sterling gained compusure infront of goal and could bag 15-20 per season, people may start to look at him like Hazard.
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In fairness, he does run around alot more, and do a few nutmegs, but does that make him a better striker, or to rephrase, when Kane reaches his prime, we wont be judging him on his skill set but his goals.

I guess the argument would be, would you take Alan Shearer in his prime or Luis Suarez?
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
In fairness, he does run around alot more, and do a few nutmegs, but does that make him a better striker, or to rephrase, when Kane reaches his prime, we wont be judging him on his skill set but his goals.

I guess the argument would be, would you take Alan Shearer in his prime or Luis Suarez?
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Suarez was scoring as much as Shearer in his last two seasons at Liverpool and was doing a lot more besides the goals. And then scored 60 goals for Barca while doing a lot more than just scoring. Suarez's last season with Liverpool is up there with Ronaldo's 07/08. It is a no brainer for me.
 
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Still not convinced he's a better finisher than Lukaku. Maybe with long shots...they're both world class finishers though.

He's probably got a better touch and his passing and hold up play is brilliant but then he's nowhere near as quick so all in all I wouldn't say there's not a whole lot between them. They'd make a great strike partnership actually I reckon.
 
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Paolo Di Canio said:
In fairness, he does run around alot more, and do a few nutmegs, but does that make him a better striker, or to rephrase, when Kane reaches his prime, we wont be judging him on his skill set but his goals.

I guess the argument would be, would you take Alan Shearer in his prime or Luis Suarez?
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I'd take Shearer tbh as he is still probably one of the most scary strikers I have ever seen. Could be an age thing though. Shearer and Batistuta were my favourite strikers of the modern era.
 
I'm of the opinion people would rate Kane far higher if he wasn't so "challenged" in certain departments. He's class, then you see him after the game and it's like Derek has decided to take the interview. Daft as it sounds I think it sullies peoples mindset on his ability, they can't take the geezer seriously.
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
In fairness, he does run around alot more, and do a few nutmegs, but does that make him a better striker, or to rephrase, when Kane reaches his prime, we wont be judging him on his skill set but his goals.

I guess the argument would be, would you take Alan Shearer in his prime or Luis Suarez?
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In his prime Suarez has managed 139 league goals and 60 assists in his last 160 league games. thats 200 goal contributions in 160 games. I think its clear who I would want. Its like an argument of Shearer or Henry. Suarez is more in the Henry school of forwards.
 
balaks said:
I'd take Shearer tbh as he is still probably one of the most scary strikers I have ever seen. Could be an age thing though. Shearer and Batistuta were my favourite strikers of the modern era.
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Shearer and Ronaldo (Brazilian)!were the only towards who really scared me as a Utd fan. Utd would have dominated Europe (IMO) if we had bought Shearer.
 
Trizy said:
He's probably the best finisher in the world outside of Ronaldo. Does that mean he's better than Suarez? No.

He can certainly out score any striker but as an all round players there is a few better ability wise. Having said that id take a 30 goal striker over a 20 goal pleasing on the eye striker.
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Higuain (bar finals), Aguero, Messi are probably even better finishers.
 
Hullyback said:
I'm of the opinion people would rate Kane far higher if he wasn't so "challenged" in certain departments. He's class, then you see him after the game and it's like Derek has decided to take the interview. Daft as it sounds I think it sullies peoples mindset on his ability, they can't take the geezer seriously.
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"Challenged" what's wrong with him apart from him not closing his mouth?
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
In fairness, he does run around alot more, and do a few nutmegs, but does that make him a better striker, or to rephrase, when Kane reaches his prime, we wont be judging him on his skill set but his goals.

I guess the argument would be, would you take Alan Shearer in his prime or Luis Suarez?
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If we judge them by their top 3 peak seasons or so, then Suarez was easily the better player, and it ain't even close. Shearer obviously has the longevity factor, but Suarez is aging well too.

Kane won't ever reach Suarez's level, but I think that he is the best striker in the league (even better than Kun Aguero).
 
Trizy said:
He's probably the best finisher in the world outside of Ronaldo. Does that mean he's better than Suarez? No.

He can certainly out score any striker but as an all round players there is a few better ability wise. Having said that id take a 30 goal striker over a 20 goal pleasing on the eye striker.
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Even only considering finishing I really can't put him ahead of Messi.
 
WC striker ? Same bracket as Suarez ? Really ? So where was this WC striker against Swansea ?
 
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