Harry Kane MBE | Performances

Stacks said:
Virtually all strikers get assists and many get more, 7 isn't a lot. Working hard for me doesn't make a player a world class player, he just had a great attitute. World Class for me is their actual skills and ability. He is very good though. A top English centre forward
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Not by itself, obviously. But some players don't put in the effort, or don't do so on a consistent basis. It's one attribute of Kane's amongst many - and when you put all those attributes and skills together it makes him into world class striker in my view ... and his phenomenal goals stats back this up.

I simply don't agree that 'world class' is defined only by skills and ability - the character of a player is also very important: their will-to-win, their mental toughness, their will to work hard and train hard, their professionalism and so on. Kane has all of these attributes, in addition to superb skill and abilities as a striker.
 
Sammyjunn said:
He's great for them, guarantees goals. Not sure if he is an elite striker for Cl aspirations but he certainly is for the PL. Where does Son start now?
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I think he is, he is very good striker and done it for 3 seasons. He is in the elite striker category IMO, at least he is if Diego Costa is considered in that category or even Aguero.
 
Great player, but given how much of a bastard Levy is to deal with his fee would be in excess of 100m which I'd rather drop on Neymar or Dybala.
 
Sammyjunn said:
In PL he absolutely is imo, but generally in international level I'm not entirely impressed, hope he can kick on in that aspect next year.
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He is still young striker, I think any club with CL aspirations can play with him leading the line.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I mean aspirations to come far in the CL (semi / quarter finals), like Rooney in 2011 or Aguero for City when he demolished Bayern. If you want to win the PL, Kane raises that likelihood as he always gets you goals.
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Aguero has done literally nothing else of note in the CL. You can't complain about Kane in Europe if you're going to big Aguero up.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I mean aspirations to come far in the CL (semi / quarter finals), like Rooney in 2011 or Aguero for City when he demolished Bayern. If you want to win the PL, Kane raises that likelihood as he always gets you goals.
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Maybe I didn't word it properly, I think Kane is good enough to lead the line which aspires to win CL. He is better than Aguero, Costa without any doubt. Aguero has done nothing in CL except that game against Bayern who had nothing to play for and down to 10.

I had doubts about Kane on how good or bad he might be in CL but the way he is playing and scoring, it's hard to say he won't cut it at highest level.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Aguero has done literally nothing else of note in the CL. You can't complain about Kane in Europe if you're going to big Aguero up.
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Was instrumental vs Monaco in the first leg. 5 goals in 6 matches but ofcourse heavenly inflated by the match vs Steau. Had a terrible campaign last year. But decided a must-win vs Bayern the year prior to ensure 1/8th and scored vs Barca but unfortunately not enough to prevent defeat. It isnt anything special but he should have done better in EL and at the Euro's for example. Anonymous for England too. Some things may not have been his fault but I think that's the next step for him. He is 100% favourite to end topscorer next season all things being equal.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Not by itself, obviously. But some players don't put in the effort, or don't do so on a consistent basis. It's one attribute of Kane's amongst many - and when you put all those attributes and skills together it makes him into world class striker in my view ... and his phenomenal goals stats back this up.

I simply don't agree that 'world class' is defined only by skills and ability - the character of a player is also very important: their will-to-win, their mental toughness, their will to work hard and train hard, their professionalism and so on. Kane has all of these attributes, in addition to superb skill and abilities as a striker.
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I feel its a British thing where we put lots and lots of emphasis on "working hard." when I look back on the greatest players list or past winners of world player of the year, how many of them were harriers of the opposition? Skill and ability seem to trump all across the football world. I wonder why that is? For me its merely a nice bonus. The great sides will always choose R9 who scores loads over Kane who scores loads AND works hard, because one is simply a greater player
 
Best English player by a country mile. His numbers this year are Ronaldo/Messi like when extrapolated to the La Liga defense deficit.
 
I was one of those that doubted him but he's been nothing short of fantastic this season. The next step is putting up these performances and numbers in Europe and for the national team otherwise he'll never be known as an elite striker. Big season for him next year with CL football and the World Cup.
 
Stacks said:
I feel its a British thing where we put lots and lots of emphasis on "working hard." when I look back on the greatest players list or past winners of world player of the year, how many of them were harriers of the opposition? Skill and ability seem to trump all across the football world. I wonder why that is? For me its merely a nice bonus. The great sides will always choose R9 who scores loads over Kane who scores loads AND works hard, because one is simply a greater player
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Great players usually work hard off the ball.
 
He's one of the few world class players that I can't put my finger on what makes him so good.

No absolutely outstanding attributes that set him apart, however he guarantees goals every season.

Nearest player in terms of no single outstanding attribute would probably be Muller for me. Obviously very different players but both are hard to pin down on why their world class.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Great players usually work hard off the ball.
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In England - Bergkamp, Cantona, Henry, Ronaldo, Ginola, Van Persie, Drogba
Europe - Baggio, Romario, Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Maradonna, Eto'o, Messi, Pirlo, Totti, Shevchenko,
These are players of my era who I plucked off the awards lists. I wouldn't regard many of them as industrious as a Harry Kane. sure they didn't walk around the pitch but I don't remember such (Harry)ing of opposition every game.
 
roonster09 said:
Kane is obviously the best striker in PL but he isn't the finest since Shearer. Rooney was amazing player and I think people forget how good he was.
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As a pure 9, he's still behind Ruud, Drogba and Aguero in their pomp.. behind Torres too and Suarez. I'd have him above Rooney who was more of a support striker and probably just below RVP.

He has it all to prove in Europe and International football. People should calm down.. not saying he won't get there, but he has to do it in world cups and european cups, guys like Shearer and Linekar done it on the biggest stages.. Kane needs to do the same. I think he can though, he has alot of class.
 
I wanted him after his 1st season with Spurs. Sadly, I think the ship has sailed in regards to us ever signing him.
 
Raees said:
As a pure 9, he's still behind Ruud, Drogba and Aguero in their pomp.. behind Torres too and Suarez. I'd have him above Rooney who was more of a support striker and probably just below RVP.

He has it all to prove in Europe and International football. People should calm down.. not saying he won't get there, but he has to do it in world cups and european cups, guys like Shearer and Linekar done it on the biggest stages.. Kane needs to do the same. I think he can though, he has alot of class.
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Aguero also didn't prove anything in Europe or World cup, as a pure 9 I think he is the best in PL now. Going by past players, yeah there are few who were above him.
 
I think he is only going to get better. Grounded, hard working and a level-headed kind of guy. Seems willing to put in the hard work to make the most of what he has got and improve on it even further. I would be surprised if Spurs entertained any bids from United for him and even more so if he would leave Spurs for United at the moment. Pochettino seems to be able to get the best out of him.
 
VeevaVee said:
I didn't want him and now I kinda do.
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Well, 20+ goals in three consecutive seasons is bound to change most peoples minds! I must admit, though I was one of the few who liked him from the get go, I didn't see him becoming this big of a goal scoring machine.
 
Raees said:
As a pure 9, he's still behind Ruud, Drogba and Aguero in their pomp.. behind Torres too and Suarez. I'd have him above Rooney who was more of a support striker and probably just below RVP.

He has it all to prove in Europe and International football. People should calm down.. not saying he won't get there, but he has to do it in world cups and european cups, guys like Shearer and Linekar done it on the biggest stages.. Kane needs to do the same. I think he can though, he has alot of class.
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Rooney effected football for longer than RVP and had a bigger impact. RVP tenure is overrated
 
ZAGREB RED said:
I think he is only going to get better. Grounded, hard working and a level-headed kind of guy. Seems willing to put in the hard work to make the most of what he has got and improve on it even further. I would be surprised if Spurs entertained any bids from United for him and even more so if he would leave Spurs for United at the moment. Pochettino seems to be able to get the best out of him.
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I think he has got the same determination and desire to improve his game and score goals as Ronaldo imho - now before people attack me I am NOT saying Kane is as good as Ronaldo because clearly he isn't however if you are talking about drive and putting the work in to become the best player he can be they are similar.
 
Stacks said:
Rooney effected football for longer than RVP and had a bigger impact. RVP tenure is overrated
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Rooney as a overall player is a different case.. he would be up there with the best. As a 9, he only had 09/10.. he wasn't consistent enough in that position to be termed a striker.
 
roonster09 said:
Aguero also didn't prove anything in Europe or World cup, as a pure 9 I think he is the best in PL now. Going by past players, yeah there are few who were above him.
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Yup, that seems a fair analysis.
 
Yagami said:
Well, 20+ goals in three consecutive seasons is bound to change most peoples minds! I must admit, though I was one of the few who liked him from the get go, I didn't see him becoming this big of a goal scoring machine.
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There was quite a bit of me thinking he'd be one of those that looks pretty good for a team like Spurs but wouldn't quite step up. And another bit of me thinking he's not the kind of striker I'd want anyway. I retract all of that.
 
He has been phenomenal. The best part about him is his ability off the ball as well. His hold up play, linking up are all excellent. Think he is going to get better and I hope he stays at Spurs (obviously want him at United but that is not happening as long as Levy is there) and sees if he can help them lift a trophy or two.
 
Raees said:
Rooney as a overall player is a different case.. he would be up there with the best. As a 9, he only had 09/10.. he wasn't consistent enough in that position to be termed a striker.
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Not even sure how to feel about that. As a 9 he was superb in 09-10 season but as a player he was very good too, running all over the pitch and making use of his superb energy, passing.. If he was played as only 9 then he would have scored lot of goals but I liked the Rooney of past where he was all over the pitch.
 
In his first year, I really liked the way he kept performing well in the Europa League despite not getting chances in the EPL. Spurs had just bought Soldado that season I think and also had Adebayor. His performance in the Europa was so good that Pochettino had to play him ahead of his senior strikers. He hasn't looked back since then. We usually have plenty of players who have an excellent breakthrough season and then follow it up with a sub-par season for whatever reason. But Kane has just kept improving season by season which is really commendable. I can see him staying at Spurs for a long time as long as they pay him according to his worth (around 200k a week).
 
Earlier in the season, in the Zlatan thread, I said if we had Kane upfront in place of Zlatan, we would be challenging. Some say that Kane wouldn't necessarily get into the scoring positions that Zlatan has which is very true. Obviously Kane has just scored a glut of goals in a very short period. something like 7 in 2 or something which has skewed his scoring stats so people are hyped. What are your thoughts everyone? Do you think it is at all feasible to think we would be higher if Kane lead the line, possibly even next season or is this just hysteria due to being hit by the HurriKane of the past 2 weeks?
 
Stacks said:
Earlier in the season, in the Zlatan thread, I said if we had Kane upfront in place of Zlatan, we would be challenging. Some say that Kane wouldn't necessarily get into the scoring positions that Zlatan has which is very true. Obviously Kane has just scored a glut of goals in a very short period. something like 7 in 2 or something which has skewed his scoring stats so people are hyped. What are your thoughts everyone? Do you think it is at all feasible to think we would be higher if Kane lead the line, possibly even next season or is this just hysteria due to being hit by the HurriKane of the past 2 weeks?
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The hype is based on the cumulative effect of the past 3 years.
 
Stacks said:
people still questions whether he would make a difference to us earlier in the season, in comparison to Zlatan.
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Well Zlatan has been a top class player for years and is still very good despite his age. Kane today is better than Zlatan today though and also better than Zlatan was at 23 however he isn't as good as prime Zlatan. That has confused me just typing it but I think it's a fair thing to say.
 
Stacks said:
Rooney effected football for longer than RVP and had a bigger impact. RVP tenure is overrated
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He started slowly with lots of injury problems then overcame them, giving his career an upward looking trajectory where he improved and improved, he also left to a different league while still performing to a decent level. No doubt Rooney had a more succesful career it just doesnt look it after a few years of performances dropping.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
He's one of the few world class players that I can't put my finger on what makes him so good.

No absolutely outstanding attributes that set him apart, however he guarantees goals every season.

Nearest player in terms of no single outstanding attribute would probably be Muller for me. Obviously very different players but both are hard to pin down on why their world class.
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I guess I'm confused by these comments as someone who watches him week in and week out. I can tell you exactly what his single outstanding attribute is that sets him apart: he's absolutely astoundingly consistent in his ability to shoot with power and accuracy no matter his body position or pressure.

Kane has terrific balance, body positioning and technique so he always has his weight over the ball and he strikes it so cleanly and with tremendous power with requires very little back lift ... which means he gets off extremely high quality shots in situations that even other elite strikers could not. Under pressure, without space, awkward angles / body lean, etc - somehow in a blink he's got his hips and his body weight correct and he's firing a bullet directly into a bottom corner (and it's always bottom corners) often before defenses can react.

Müller is a bit different - he plays between the lines, finds spaces and has a gangly type of finishing style where he just sort of jabs a body part at the ball and bundles it into the net. Kane reminds me a lot more of Lewandowski, or one of the classic Serie A strikers from the 90s/00s like Batistuta or Sheva ... not absurd athletes, but brutally efficient finishers.
 
Kush said:
You think players of Harry Kane's quality are Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and Neymar? Good grief.
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:lol: I knew someone would pick up on that and would immediately jump to their usual conclusions about delusions.

Now I don't think that Kane is on the same level as those 4 (though this season he's effectively scored at the rate of 1 goal a game).

What I (imo quite clearly) meant was that Kane is a known quantity in this Spurs team. He scores shitloads of goals. Realistically, barring some freak incident, we know he'll score lots of goals next season too. And the season after.

How many players are there in world football that could guarantee that? More importantly, how many would be willing to move to Spurs for the wages we offer?

The answer probably likes somewhere near 0.

The reason I listed those 4 is because they're probably the 4 best attacking players in the world and I wouldn't have too many concerns about acclimatisation (ie replace Kane and hit the ground running). People like PEA or Cavani may even be better players than Kane but we wouldn't have any guarantee that they'd slot seamlessly in (see Shevchenko, Forlan, Veron etc).
 
I know he is Spurs through and through and all that stuff but I feel next season where he will be approaching 25 and undoubtedly still won F*ck all at Spurs he will really have to look at the bigger picture, at the end of his career does he want trophy's and titles or just that "he was loyal to spurs" and whatever that gets you, free pints down the red lion in tottenham, marvellous

Anyway, Bale knew it and look what happened to him, Dele Ali is realising it and Kane will have to open those eyes soon, he is a class player and he would be wanted by many big clubs but its wether he has that ambition and balls to tell Levy he want's to leave and upset Spurs fans
 
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