Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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4 pens helps.
Penalties don't count now? Of course they help but he still needs to put them in the back of the net.
Kane missed chances and played badly in terms of his own game irrespective of the system or the fact he took corners. It wasn't a case of 'this fella looks like an outstanding player being mis-used,' he was just bad.
Others were poor, but they weren't expected to do as much as Kane going into the campaign off the back of the season he'd just had.
Pressure and scrutiny go hand-in-hand with being a star striker, much more so than any other position and that's why it's vital that forwards prove they can handle all of that when they get the chance and that's also when they're classed as bona fide, a1 talents.
Kane is young and has years yet to make an impression on grander stages than the PL. When/if he does he'll be regarded in the same way the truly elite strikers of the game are.
I'm a big fan of Thomas Muller, so it's got little to do with aesthetics from my perspective. I've got nothing against Kane, I just think he's being hailed as some elite talent prematurely before he's done enough to warrant that.
Like you said he has plenty of time to prove himself but right now we can only go on his record up to this point which is very impressive. I also love Muller as a player by the way and in some ways some folk dismiss Kane for the same reasons some dismiss Muller.
Clubs couldn't care less what a player has done at international level when they are considering buying them, as they don't buy them to play international football.
If they buy a player with a good international record they might make a big deal of it for media, brand and all the associated nonsense but it will have zero to do with their decision.
Some top players come from countries who will rarely or ever do anything on the international stage, are they immediately discounted unless they've got Champions League pedigree, no is the answer.
If they buy a player with a good international record they might make a big deal of it for media, brand and all the associated nonsense but it will have zero to do with their decision.
Some top players come from countries who will rarely or ever do anything on the international stage, are they immediately discounted unless they've got Champions League pedigree, no is the answer.
RVN - I loved him but no coincidence he was here in a lean period and was sold precisely because he couldn't get involved in our play.
Solskjaer - super because he could always score but sub because he couldn't get involved with general play enough.
Proves my point.
RVP - with us one season effectively.
Rooney - you've never seen him play if you think all he does is score.
Of course it helps.
Did other golden boot winners not score penalties? Does everyone in the scoring race not have penalties scored?
A third of his goals have been pens like.
You've never seen Kane if you think all he does is score.
Well now you are just being ridiculous. Go and troll somewhere else.
He only scores pens
He only scores pens
It's Harry Kaaaane
He only scores pens
He only scores pens
It's Harry Kaaaane
He only scores pens
What's ridiculous about it @balaks? It's true; 4 of his 13 league goals (I thought it was 12, so it's actually just under a third) this season have been pens have they not? I've said earlier in this thread today today that I think he's top drawer if you think in some way I'm underrating him by stating that fact!
4/13 of Kane's are pens.
1/14 of Zlatan's are pens.
0/14 of Alexis' or Costa's are pens.
So yes, as the poster said, Kane has played less than the rest, but it's no "more impressive" as he also claimed, better put would be that his goalscoring is "just as impressive".
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I imagine it can make a modest difference to a player's transfer fee, though. Since, as you mention, it helps the player's brand and is therefore good for the brand of whatever club they play for.
Whilst a club is unlikely to be put off Kane because he wasn't successful for a dismal England side, If Kane had scored for fun at the Euros and become the undisputed face of English football, it'd probably up the amount Spurs would be quoting to any potential buyers, should they be willing to hear offers.
Anyway, if he does leave soon I'd expect it to be more than the Bale fee.
Ahh ok sorry I misread your post - I thought you were claiming that one third of all the goals he has ever scored were 'pen like' i.e. were as easy to score as penalties. Wow I really have turned precious lol Sorry!
Well for one thing, he's scored 13 league goals this season.....
So even if for some reason, we're removing penalties as goals for players, his record would still be 9 goals in 16 games this season.
Or 50 in 99. If we're removing penalties
I can see why some man utd fans don't rate Kane as highly as Spurs or other clubs fans do. He's never scored against you or actually played as well as be can against you. It was the same problem Bale had actually.
So even if for some reason, we're removing penalties as goals for players, his record would still be 9 goals in 16 games this season.
Or 50 in 99. If we're removing penalties
I can see why some man utd fans don't rate Kane as highly as Spurs or other clubs fans do. He's never scored against you or actually played as well as be can against you. It was the same problem Bale had actually.
ha ha, no mate "like".
And as I added there, as the poster said, Kane has played less than the rest, but it's no "more impressive" as he also claimed, better put would be that his goalscoring is "just as impressive". Which was the original point I was making.
And I wouldn't worry about being precious, judging by the post above @africanspur is definitely outdoing you there
A short while ago, the general feeling on here was that Aguero is the best striker in the league.
Since the start of 2015, Kane has scored 7 more league goals than him. And goals scored from penalties?
Kane - 10
Aguero - 12
Since the start of 2015, Kane has scored 7 more league goals than him. And goals scored from penalties?
Kane - 10
Aguero - 12
ha ha, no mate "like".
And as I added there, as the poster said, Kane has played less than the rest, but it's no "more impressive" as he also claimed, better put would be that his goalscoring is "just as impressive". Which was the original point I was making.
And I wouldn't worry about being precious, judging by the post above @africanspur is definitely outdoing you there
It's OK, bad maths gets to me but at least it's been corrected now!
I say this unwillingly, being reluctant to praise Spurs given it's you I'm quoting, but Kane's been playing for a rather better team, in that time, I'd say.
I don't know - but the important point, given your emphasis on pens, is that Kane's league goals over the last 2 years and a bit include only 10 pens, which is not a huge number, compared to some strikers.
Kane's has 3 penalties in the league hasn't he?
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That's not the important point at all @GlastonSpur. The important point when comparing him to Aguero is games played... obviously.
I'd imagine he still comes out of it very favourably.
Since the start of the 2014/15 season:
Aguero has 61 goals in 77 games (12 penalties)
Kane has 59 goals in 88 games (10 penalties)
Cheers. It's a great goalscoring record from Kane.
Actually my post referred to the start of 2015, not the 2014-15 season, but no matter.
Ok then why were you using penalty statistics from the start of the 14/15 season? It's confusing.
No matter...
2015 onwards:
Aguero: 47 (10) - 62 appearances (0.76 gpg)
Kane: 54 (10) - 73 appearances (0.74 gpg)
From the start of 2015/16 season
Aguero: 35 (7) - 44 appearances (0.8 gpg)
Kane: 38(8) - 54 appearances (0.7 gpg)
From the start of 2014/15
Aguero: 61 (12) - 77 appearances (.79 gpg)
Kane: 59 (10) - 88 appearances (.67 gpg)
So it seems like your chosen start date happens to begin with Kane's strongest period (coincidentally Aguero's weakest as he was coming back from injury). If you take a slightly longer or shorter view the slight but significant difference remains clear.
Not sure that makes sense. There's hardly anything in it so I don't see what's significant really.
Statistically and from looking at performance level they seem pretty on par to me.
The fact it looks like there's hardly anything in it is why I say it's "slight", the fact that it translates into Aguero scoring one goal more every ten games is why I reckon it's "significant". An extra 4 goals a season might translate to a 4 point improvement or something.
I guess you have to take Aguero's injury proneness into account though - he never gives you a full season - and that does detrimentally affect his value. Kane's a lot younger too.
Blimey it's not bad considering one has been in the peak of his career and the other has been largely at the start of his.
True - though I'd wager Kane is also approaching his peak now and in the coming few years and then will decline quickly in his late 20s (like Rooney).
Don't get me wrong I reckon Kane is an absolutely cracking player. Local hero type stuff, which is always brilliant. No need to conflate cherry picked stats to emphasise what shouldn't need emphasising though. What would you say the case is as a Spurs fan? Is Kane improving or just maintaining his (already excellent) level?
Yeah I suppose those extra goals could translate to a four point jump but equally they could be meaningless. Too small a gap to differentiate for me.
Looks like gpg gap has been closing as time passes, from a gap of 0.12 for the first period, then to 0.1, and now just 0.02. Perhaps Kane will close it completely and then overtake before this season ends.
The current gap is .1 (from the start of the 2015/16 season). Basically Kane had an unbelievably good run at the end of 2014/15 which saw him score 16 in 19. Aguero scored 12 in 18 over the same period. That sort of "skews"* the stats.
*I mean not really, Kane deserves huge credit for banging them in over that period, but you get what I mean.
True. As good as he is I feel he needs the team around him to perform. Over the long run that's true of all strikers but can he produce magic when his team is struggling. Not sure.
You should look at the quality of some of his goals and in big games.
In my eyes he's improving, he has more all round quality than some people give him quality for. But biggest thing for me is his hunger for goals, some forwards want to score goals, Kane is one of those who lives goals.
I think a large part of that has to do with the team he plays for, and the stigma attached to them.