Harry Kane MBE | Performances

[Gbenger]

He isn't exactly fast or explosive, can't dribble and even a bit limited technically which makes him play like a donkey especially when he's out of form and he requires too much time to get going.

He can strike the ball well and gets goals but most elite strikers have more than that in their locker. Spurs would demand silly money if we ever try to get and he's never gonna be worth that sum. Tottenham is really his level.
I'll pass.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Right, because close-to-retirement-Terry is the same as world class Terry in his prime.

John Terry world class

 

[kidbob]

John Terry world class

Hate to say it but he was for a time.

 

[kidbob]

By the way I surmise that some have claimed Kane to be better than Rooney. Not in a million years. He'll never reach that level, just as Shearer before him didn't. Rooney even stats wise has more goals and assists combined, despite not taking all penalties than Shearer in the Premier League. Also the eye test confirms he was simply a more special player than either Kane or Shearer could ever hope to be.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

By the way I surmise that some have claimed Kane to be better than Rooney. Not in a million years. He'll never reach that level, just as Shearer before him didn't. Rooney even stats wise has more goals and assists combined, despite not taking all penalties than Shearer in the Premier League. Also the eye test confirms he was simply a more special player than either Kane or Shearer could ever hope to be.

Really? Not according to the Premier League official site.

Shearer : P: 441, G: 260, A: 64, C: 324. G+A per game = .74

Rooney: P: 450, G: 194, A: 101, C: 295. G+A per game = .66

Certainly Shearer had more penalties, but then that's because he was far better at them. Rooney has 19 from 26, Shearer had 52 from 54.

 

[surf]

His goal scoring record suggests he has something about him even though he rarely does anything when I watch him (which is against United).

 

[stevieg4ever]

Interesting debate, but even as a LFC fan I would go for Kane overall. If comparing them at their peak than Torres gets the nod for me but Kane hasn't reached his peak age wise yet and hindsight benefits Torres as such.
Torres is currently at 0.36 goals per game (all top flight games and including 8 goals in the Spanish Segunda Division).
Kane is at 0.54 goals per game (for top flight games only), so no comparison really.

Now obviously both players are at opposite ends of their career, it depends on how prolonged Kane's peak can last for and how many goals he'll get during this time. But judging by what we have seen then we can only conclude that Kane could deliver some frightening numbers when all is said and done.

Torres' peak, on stats alone, was from 2003-04 (Atletico) till 2009-10 (Liverpool) during which in 4 of those 7 seasons he scored more than 20 in all competitions. Around his peak Torres has had numerous returns of between 10-15 goals (sometimes less) even in seasons where he put in 40 plus appearances, which, again, Kane doesn't look like repeating any time soon.

By stats alone Kane will rip that record to pieces, its not even close; 59 goals in 101 games in his only two full seasons and 16 in 19 so far this campaign.

Additionally, Torres only achieved 30 goals plus after 5 full seasons, Kane managed this feat in his first full season. Also keep in mind that Atletico, Liverpool and Chelsea collectively provide a better frame work for any goalscorer compared to Spurs, on average anyway, though that is of course highly contestable if you compare with Spurs' line up since Kane entered the fray. Though, it could be argued, that at those three clubs I think you are more likely to find yourself out of the team quicker than at a club like Spurs as competition is greater.

Torres perhaps gains capital in this debate because 1) he obviously doesn't take penalties, 2) his international record stands out more, both goals and trophy wise, 3) his overall trophy haul. But trophies collected is obviously a different argument altogether.

Both are big game players, domestically speaking, I recall Torres scoring against Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Inter, Chelsea; Kane has hit superb goals against Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal (could be more as that's just off the top of my head) already.

 

[stevieg4ever]

All I would level against Kane is how vital some of the players around him are, Eriksen being the main one, but to some degree that's a hyper criticism at best because the whole reason we compare forwards from the top clubs is precisely because of the players around them, in some ways that's why Shearer's achievements stand out so much; he played with so many donkeys you could fill the Sahara desert. Same for Le Tissier, though he obviously wasn't as prolific as his mate Shearer was.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Hate to say it but he was for a time.

The term world class is tossed around like confetti and in the process detracts from the abilities of the very few players who are in the world class group. John Terry's name should not be attached to the list of the modern era world class footballers, to put it there is frankly insulting to that group.

The difference between being a very good player and a world class one IMHO is and should be massive, the game has plenty of very good players but very few truly elite ones.

Apologies for going off piste, just wanted to answer.

 

[Lash]

The term world class is tossed around like confetti and in the process detracts from the abilities of the very few players who are in the world class group. John Terry's name should not be attached to the list of the modern era world class footballers, to put it there is frankly insulting to that group.

The difference between being a very good player and a world class one IMHO is and should be massive, the game has plenty of very good players but very few truly elite ones.

Apologies for going off piste, just wanted to answer.

Sorry to continue this, but that's just a bizarre statement? John Terry at a time was definitely part of the top 5 CB in the world. Not sure how else you would describe world class.

 

[Righteous Steps]

The term world class is tossed around like confetti and in the process detracts from the abilities of the very few players who are in the world class group. John Terry's name should not be attached to the list of the modern era world class footballers, to put it there is frankly insulting to that group.

The difference between being a very good player and a world class one IMHO is and should be massive, the game has plenty of very good players but very few truly elite ones.

Apologies for going off piste, just wanted to answer.

John Terry was world class full stop.

 

[Righteous Steps]

Sorry to continue this, but that's just a bizarre statement? John Terry at a time was definitely part of the top 5 CB in the world. Not sure how else you would describe world class.

Terry won everything and was part of some of the best defences in PL history, in an era far, greater than now in terms of defenders quality.

 

[Lash]

He's an odd one Kane, you can't argue with his goal scoring record, but he doesn't seem to do anything against the top teams. That's where he'll need to improve for me if he want's to be considered a world class striker. Still hasn't played well against a decent continental team yet either.

For England's hope I would like him to. It would be good to have a player people fear playing against.

 

[Lash]

Terry won everything and was part of some of the best defences in PL history, in an era far, greater than now in terms of defenders quality.

Exactly!

 

[GlastonSpur]

He isn't exactly fast or explosive, can't dribble and even a bit limited technically which makes him play like a donkey especially when he's out of form and he requires too much time to get going.

He can strike the ball well and gets goals but most elite strikers have more than that in their locker. Spurs would demand silly money if we ever try to get and he's never gonna be worth that sum. Tottenham is really his level.
I'll pass.

These type of statements amuse me ... as if Spurs weren't looking down the league table at United.

You talk about 'elite strikers' having more in their locker. But in reality some of them also have less. How many of them are, like Kane, genuinely two-footed and don't have to keep trying to shift the ball onto a favoured foot or side? How many of them work as hard as Kane? How many of them are such dedicated professionals? How many of them, like Kane, score all types of goal? How many of them actually score as many goals as Kane?

 

[m1y2]

He's an odd one Kane, you can't argue with his goal scoring record, but he doesn't seem to do anything against the top teams. That's where he'll need to improve for me if he want's to be considered a world class striker. Still hasn't played well against a decent continental team yet either.

For England's hope I would like him to. It would be good to have a player people fear playing against.

he doesnt seem to do anything? that's nonsense

Last year he scored against

Mancity - 7th round
Mancity - 26th round
Arsenal - 29th round might be this worldie
Liverpool - 32th round
Chelsea - 36th round

then the year before 14/15

Chelsea - 20th round (2+2)
Arsenal - 24th round (2 goals)
Liverpool - 25th round (1+1)

...he barely played in the first 10 games, when they played Arsenal, Liverpool and Mancity, he was on the bench or not in the squad, and it was his first season

this year he was injured for one month, so he missed the game against Mancity, scored against Arsenal

He failed to make an impression against us, spurs just can't play us, but that doesn't make him useless against top teams. He's a great player, still very young but I wouldn't put him in the top talent bracket but who knows he still has time to develop and when he scores goals like this he will certainly make it to the top club one day, even though the high price tag could stop him as there might be better footballers for that price out there

 

[Righteous Steps]

These type of statements amuse me ... as if Spurs weren't looking down the league table at United.

You talk about 'elite strikers' having more in their locker. But in reality some of them also have less. How many of them are, like Kane, genuinely two-footed and don't have to keep trying to shift the ball onto a favoured foot or side? How many of them work as hard as Kane? How many of them are such dedicated professionals? How many of them, like Kane, score all types of goal? How many of them actually score as many goals as Kane?

Well if they are elite then most of that applies to them.

 

[Lash]

he doesnt seem to do anything? that's nonsense

Last year he scored against

Mancity - 7th round
Mancity - 26th round
Arsenal - 29th round might be this worldie
Liverpool - 32th round
Chelsea - 36th round

then the year before 14/15

Chelsea - 20th round (2+2)
Arsenal - 24th round (2 goals)
Liverpool - 25th round (1+1)

...he barely played in the first 10 games, when they played Arsenal, Liverpool and Mancity, he was on the bench or not in the squad, and it was his first season

this year he was injured for one month, so he missed the game against Mancity, scored against Arsenal

He failed to make an impression against us, spurs just can't play us, but that doesn't make him useless against top teams. He's a great player, still very young but I wouldn't put him in the top talent bracket but who knows he still has time to develop and when he scores goals like this he will certainly make it to the top club one day, even though the high price tag could stop him as there might be better footballers for that price out there

I was taking this year as the example really, didn't show up at all in either games against Monaco, was poor in both Chelsea games, anonymous against us again, was poor against Liverpool earlier in the season too. It was hyperbole from me to say he doesn't seem to do anything. He also salvaged a draw in their derby (albeit a pen), so I'm not trying to say he is a pile of dross in those games; I'm just saying it's definitely the part of his game that doesn't put him in that top bracket yet.

I think he will develop, but that does require Spurs to consistently challenge for CL (which I also think is plausible) AND purchase players to improve their team and get the service for him. I genuinely think they missed a trick in the summer, but they'll probs get CL football again this season, so not the end of the world. He is the kind of player that thrives in a great team with him the focal point or great players behind him that will create the space for him. I think currently Spurs have the former, but that won't last forever, IMO, if they keep buying like they did in the summer.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Well if they are elite then most of that applies to them.

So which current strikers are you classifying as 'elite' and which of these are equally good with either foot?

 

[Hawks2008]

ITT: Kane is the single greatest goalscorer in the world /s

 

[Righteous Steps]

So which current strikers are you classifying as 'elite' and which of these are equally good with either foot?

Most of them are good with either foot to be honest, that is something i expect from a top striker generally.

 

[Bwuk]

ITT: Kane is the single greatest goalscorer in the world /s

He's the striker version of Jordan Henderson.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

@Jacrispy from the newbs is baffled at what's not been mentioned in this thread regarding Kane's scoring this season....

Of his 13 goals only one has come against a top 7 side and that was a penalty against Arsenal.

He's padded his stats out with a braces against Swansea and Sunderland and other struggling sides, hat-trick against West Brom too.

Just shocked that no-one has touched on that, and it's not as though he's just not scoring against the better sides, he was rotten against Man Utd, Chelsea and in the CL this season

 

[balaks]

@Jacrispy from the newbs is baffled at what's not been mentioned in this thread regarding Kane's scoring this season....

His record in general in London derbies is fantastic though. Just because he had a few poor games against Chelsea and Utd this season doesn't mean he isn't a big game player, there is plenty of evidence to suggest he is. He is only 23 remember - same age as Pobga who just had an absolute stinker vs Liverpool - players that age will have poor games every now and again.

 

[Boycott]

He was clearly knackered and not ready for the start of the season. Two full seasons with Spurs with each club season followed by an international tournament [U21 Euro and Euro 2016].

When Kane took a while to net his first goal of 15/16 - generally people acknowledged he was playing well with good hold up and link-up play.

That wasn't happening the second time around as his performances were sluggish and leggy [being generous tbh]. The injury and subsequent time away from the pitch was a blessing in disguise and his all round game looks back to a high level again.

I'm pretty sure he missed most of the CL campaign as well.

 

[SirScholes]

One of the best players in the world at the moment for me.

Lmao what a crease that is

 

[SirScholes]

He's seems to be a very effective striker, eriksen is the unsung hero for me tho, Kane doesn't seem to be the same without him

 

[SirScholes]

The guy really knows where the net is.

People that are bashing Tottenham and claiming a big club will sign him the day that he's 'good enough' or 'worth buying'... why?

Everyone almost universally agrees that young players should stay at a club that they're being developed for as long as possible. By that logic Kane is unequivocally in the right place.

It's also possible that Kane could continue to develop as Spurs win 2 of the next 3 league titles.

Spurs have;

- The best central defensive partnership in the league (both of whom are individually among the best in the league)
- The best pair of full backs in the league
- A top tier goalkeeper
- A top tier centre forward
- A top tier attacking midfielder

They also have a very good manager, unity, and reliable midfielders, both offensively and defensively.

Spurs should be looking to win the league this year and next. If they're challenging, Kane doesn't need to go anywhere unless Barca or Real come calling. No team in England can guarantee a better shot at domestic trophies than Spurs right now. That's not to say they'll win them, but for the next 1-3 years they should be as competitive as anyone.

All the top 5/6 have those things in some shape or form.
I'll bet you a go with my wife that they don't win 2/3 titles, I'd be willing to say they won't win any

 

[Sweech]

@Jacrispy from the newbs is baffled at what's not been mentioned in this thread regarding Kane's scoring this season....

I think it's not been mentioned because over the last few seasons Kane has shown he can score against just about every team in the league.

Using one season where he missed a few months and therefore the opportunity to even play some of those top 6 teams is quite foolish. Especially when he's already shown he can score against them previously.

 

[sincher]

He's the striker version of Jordan Henderson.

Nooo.

Kane has done it three seasons in a row now and shown no signs of stopping. Consistent goalscoring like that is no mean feat.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

All the top 5/6 have those things in some shape or form.
I'll bet you a go with my wife that they don't win 2/3 titles, I'd be willing to say they won't win any

They probably won't. But for the next 1-3 seasons Kane will play at the same level if he's at Spurs, City, United, Chelsea or Arsenal. I don't think that will be true if we think about the next 10 years of his career obviously, but for now he's at a top tier competitive club.

Hypothetical question. I give you £100. You have to bet on how many teams will finish above Spurs both this year and next. How would you bet? That number would be very low for me. They're in a good moment. They could 'do a Spurs' but I think they're in a better situation than Liverpool, City and Arsenal if we speak of a period to say May 2018

 

[ryan cook]

He is great striker that very well could break Shearers record if he stays in the premier league for the rest of his career. He is a consistent goal scorer and when on from he can guarantee you goals but can still go through goaless droughts. I don't think i will ever put him on the same level as Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski, Ibrahimovic though i think he is on the same level as Costa, Benzema and Cavani. Would love to have him at United though.

 

[GE]

Big match bottler.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Big match bottler.

Knee-jerk poster.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Knee-jerk poster.

He was pretty crap today, but there's a reason lots of strikers get called out on exactly this.

 

[pocco]

He's inconsistent at best and a limited player at worst. He's not a top level striker and never will be. On days like today, if he played for us I'd be pulling my hair out watching him bumble around up front losing the ball.

 

[El Zoido]

He scored a hat trick the other day and people were talking about him potentially becoming England's greatest ever centre forward. One poor game later and he's a fraud that will never be top class.

 

[BlueCelery]

He scored a hat trick the other day and people were talking about him potentially becoming England's greatest ever centre forward. One poor game later and he's a fraud that will never be top class.

He's a great goalscorer but there's something missing from him.

 

[GlastonSpur]

He was pretty crap today, but there's a reason lots of strikers get called out on exactly this.

Kane has scored against lots of big teams - check the record - so levelling this charge is ridiculous.

In fact this thread has become ridiculous: it only takes a game or two for Kane not to score and all the knee-jerk comments come crawling out from the woodwork.

 

[podurban2]

He scored a hat trick the other day and people were talking about him potentially becoming England's greatest ever centre forward. One poor game later and he's a fraud that will never be top class.

That's the Caf for you!