Gun control

What a ridiculous decision. So you can get shit faced drunk and that's okay. But smoke a joint and you can't carry a gun legally.
That's the people that make laws here. feck me were being led by a bunch of numpties.
 
This was a painful read (regarding the handcuffs the NRA has placed on the ATF)...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/atf-nra-battle-guns

The 1986 Firearm Owners' Protection Act, passed with the backing of the National Rifle Association, outlaws the creation of a national gun registry. As a result, any documents the ATF scans must be stored as static images that cannot be searched digitally.....

...Now the ATF is only allowed to provide specific trace information when a local law enforcement agency asks for it, and only for that particular jurisdiction. "So Baltimore city can't call us and say, 'What is Baltimore County doing?' Or 'What is Maryland State Police doing?' We can only tell them about Baltimore city," Troppman explains.
 
You're welcome to disagree of course, but we had universal gun registration in Canada for about 20 years and it never once solved a crime or stopped a murder. It's about the least effective gun control measure you can take.

We don't register our long guns anymore (hunting rifles and shotguns). Handguns and some semiautomatic rifles are registered (and have been since the 1930s) but the value of that from a law enforcement perspective is dubious as well.
 
You're welcome to disagree of course, but we had universal gun registration in Canada for about 20 years and it never once solved a crime or stopped a murder. It's about the least effective gun control measure you can take.

We don't register our long guns anymore (hunting rifles and shotguns). Handguns and some semiautomatic rifles are registered (and have been since the 1930s) but the value of that from a law enforcement perspective is dubious as well.

How can you possibly know that to be true?
 
How can you possibly know that to be true?

In general, the crimes where registered guns are used are committed by the owners of those guns, so how is the registry useful at all in those situations?

Also, the insinuation that one's gun being registered will make someone think twice before using it criminally is funny. If they're bothered by that, they'll use some other implement or get a gun off the streets.

Anyway, this article is a good starting point. Though I'm sure someone will find something objectionable about it.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...e-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
 
In general, the crimes where registered guns are used are committed by the owners of those guns, so how is the registry useful at all in those situations?

Also, the insinuation that one's gun being registered will make someone think twice before using it criminally is funny. If they're bothered by that, they'll use some other implement or get a gun off the streets.

Anyway, this article is a good starting point. Though I'm sure someone will find something objectionable about it.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...e-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did


So you don't then.
 
Prove you wrong :lol:

Well...is your gun registered? Do you have any experience with gun registries? My opinion seems to be far more empirical than yours. I linked you to an article that supports my assertion, would you prefer I made shit up as I go along?
 
Perhaps you'll find Forbes to be a more credible source. Again, the theme that the RCMP were never able to provide evidence of the long gun registry being used to solve a crime comes up:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi...e-death-of-canadas-gun-registry/#55c009986859

There are many other more effective means of gun control outside of registration. Its only benefit is that it makes some people feel safer and quite erroneously at that.
 
School shooting today in the district I used to work in...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/91230868/?client=safari

TOWNVILLE, S.C. — A teenager shot and killed his father before heading to a nearby elementary school and wounding two children and a teacher Wednesday afternoon, authorities said.

Jeffrey Osborne, 47, believed to be the shooter's father, was found dead in his home, police said. The alleged shooter was home-schooled, and authorities said they didn't yet know of any relation between the Townville Elementary School victims and the gunman.

Deputy Chief Keith Smith said the shooter never entered the elementary school, but was on its playground when the children and teacher were attacked.
 
Perhaps you'll find Forbes to be a more credible source. Again, the theme that the RCMP were never able to provide evidence of the long gun registry being used to solve a crime comes up:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi...e-death-of-canadas-gun-registry/#55c009986859

There are many other more effective means of gun control outside of registration. Its only benefit is that it makes some people feel safer and quite erroneously at that.

The purpose of registration is to remove a few loons and reduce gun ownership by making it very slightly more difficut to own a gun. If it ever assisted in other ways that would be a bonus.

It is like anti-smoking measures, one alone won't do it but a wide range of measures will slowly reduce gun ownership and hopefully change public perceptions at the same time.
 
The purpose of registration is to remove a few loons and reduce gun ownership by making it very slightly more difficut to own a gun. If it ever assisted in other ways that would be a bonus.

It is like anti-smoking measures, one alone won't do it but a wide range of measures will slowly reduce gun ownership and hopefully change public perceptions at the same time.

Registration doesn't really accomplish that. Licensing, on the other hand, does. Like I said, there are many effective gun control measures available, registration isn't one of them. The time and money is better spent elsewhere.
 
Registering and licencing should be the same thing. Lets face it, responsible guns owners shouldn't have a problem with licencing and restrictions because that is life - the law restricts us for the greater good. I could often drive far faster than the set limits but raise the limts and lots more people die. I don't like paying huge taxes on beer and wine and if these taxes were removed I won't drink one drop more but many people would causing huge health damage and cost to the health system.
 
If not looked into the kid shooting.
School shooting today in the district I used to work in...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/91230868/?client=safari

TOWNVILLE, S.C. — A teenager shot and killed his father before heading to a nearby elementary school and wounding two children and a teacher Wednesday afternoon, authorities said.

Jeffrey Osborne, 47, believed to be the shooter's father, was found dead in his home, police said. The alleged shooter was home-schooled, and authorities said they didn't yet know of any relation between the Townville Elementary School victims and the gunman.

Deputy Chief Keith Smith said the shooter never entered the elementary school, but was on its playground when the children and teacher were attacked.

Pray. Keep praying. Wait, that's not helped for the 30000 plus dying each year.

Do we know who owned the gun? The father? I imagine registration plus extremely harsh penalties for allowing your gun to be used without permission is a start, surely? Bad example since the owner likely passed away, but if your 14 year old gets hold of your gun and kills you should be in jail for many years .
 
Registering and licencing should be the same thing. Lets face it, responsible guns owners shouldn't have a problem with licencing and restrictions because that is life - the law restricts us for the greater good. I could often drive far faster than the set limits but raise the limts and lots more people die. I don't like paying huge taxes on beer and wine and if these taxes were removed I won't drink one drop more but many people would causing huge health damage and cost to the health system.
I never understood what's the deal with registration (I guess another useless department created by useless politicians), the process of buying a gun is the registration itself, I have a few guns and all of them have my name attached to the serial number so FBI knows who owns that gun.
 
It depends what you mean by registration as it should be attached to something more identifiable than a name such as a social security number at the very least and preferably biometric identification and you should have to pass rigorous screening before licencing/registration is allowed. It should also be nationwide and cover every single gun sale. Combined with banning automatic weapons and other tyes of weapon, limiting the number of weapons and ammo that you can own, huge taxes on guns and ammo, only allowing guns to be kept at gun clubs under lock and key and various other restrictions that would allow people to use guns for sport would be a decent start towards reducing the huge annual death toll.
 
Registering and licencing should be the same thing. Lets face it, responsible guns owners shouldn't have a problem with licencing and restrictions because that is life - the law restricts us for the greater good. I could often drive far faster than the set limits but raise the limts and lots more people die. I don't like paying huge taxes on beer and wine and if these taxes were removed I won't drink one drop more but many people would causing huge health damage and cost to the health system.

Licensing and restrictions I can deal with. Registration of guns in a government list is a duplicated effort and seems wasteful to me. If a crime gun still has serial numbers on it it can be traced.
 
Given that a well regulated militia is important for the security of the state (apparently) then I would have thought licences and registration is pretty essential to you know like organise this militia to defend the state?
 
It depends what you mean by registration as it should be attached to something more identifiable than a name such as a social security number at the very least and preferably biometric identification and you should have to pass rigorous screening before licencing/registration is allowed. It should also be nationwide and cover every single gun sale. Combined with banning automatic weapons and other tyes of weapon, limiting the number of weapons and ammo that you can own, huge taxes on guns and ammo, only allowing guns to be kept at gun clubs under lock and key and various other restrictions that would allow people to use guns for sport would be a decent start towards reducing the huge annual death toll.
FBI has besides my name my finger prints and my social, they should make a law for example if I give my guns to my son to be registered to his name, well in New Jersey is the law but a lot states doesn't have that law.
 
Licensing and restrictions I can deal with. Registration of guns in a government list is a duplicated effort and seems wasteful to me. If a crime gun still has serial numbers on it it can be traced.

Licencing alone doesn't track the guns does it?
 
Licencing alone doesn't track the guns does it?
Yes it does, before buying a gun you need to get a permit, get your finger prints (if is the first one), get the criminal check and then you will get a permit to buy a gun which in New Jersey you have 6 months to buy or you need to apply again, the problem are the 36 states with no need for license or registration.
 
Licencing alone doesn't track the guns does it?

It does for retail sales as all stores keep that data (i.e. who bought what gun). Private sales are another matter but it would be in one's best interest to record who you sold it to, especially if possession requires a licence.
 
It does for retail sales as all stores keep that data (i.e. who bought what gun). Private sales are another matter but it would be in one's best interest to record who you sold it to, especially if possession requires a licence.

Is the data centralised as it is a bit useless if just kept by a shop? And private sales should either be illegal or as heavily regulated - a buy and sell permission/certificate per sale at a minimum.
 
Is the data centralised as it is a bit useless if just kept by a shop? And private sales should either be illegal or as heavily regulated - a buy and sell permission/certificate per sale at a minimum.

Not centralized but there's no need for that. Police can easily find out where a gun was purchased from the manufactuer/distributor and go from there. The time savings generated by a registry are negligible, but the costs of setting one up are astronomical, the value just isn't there.

All shops in Ontario keep the data in a particular book as mandated by our Chief Firearms Officer. I believe it's the same in the other provinces.

Since we ditched our registry we are on kind of an honour system with private sales of long guns (this doesn't include handguns and ARs, etc), in that we are supposed to verify the buyer has a licence. The process could certainly be more stringent but find it hard to fathom that people would sell something of significant value privately without a reasonably detailed bill of sale, least of all something that could also be tied to you in a criminal investigation.
 
Not centralized but there's no need for that. Police can easily find out where a gun was purchased from the manufactuer/distributor and go from there. The time savings generated by a registry are negligible, but the costs of setting one up are astronomical, the value just isn't there.

All shops in Ontario keep the data in a particular book as mandated by our Chief Firearms Officer. I believe it's the same in the other provinces.

Since we ditched our registry we are on kind of an honour system with private sales of long guns (this doesn't include handguns and ARs, etc), in that we are supposed to verify the buyer has a licence. The process could certainly be more stringent but find it hard to fathom that people would sell something of significant value privately without a reasonably detailed bill of sale, least of all something that could also be tied to you in a criminal investigation.

We don't trust car dealerships to keep such data so I can't see a convincing argument for something that requires far higher levels of tracking to be allowed to remain at such an isolated level. You also can't track gun owners behavior without centralising data. Limiting the number of guns any one person can own would be a huge advance in gun control but impossible to achieve without centralised records. And as we know a huge proportion of guns are completely untracked as they are sold privately or at gun shows which should again be subject to central record keeping. Ammo purchases should also be tracked/limited/regulated. The cost should be passed on to gun owners through tax and licencing fees.
 
We don't trust car dealerships to keep such data so I can't see a convincing argument for something that requires far higher levels of tracking to be allowed to remain at such an isolated level. You also can't track gun owners behavior without centralising data. Limiting the number of guns any one person can own would be a huge advance in gun control but impossible to achieve without centralised records. And as we know a huge proportion of guns are completely untracked as they are sold privately or at gun shows which should again be subject to central record keeping. Ammo purchases should also be tracked/limited/regulated. The cost should be passed on to gun owners through tax and licencing fees.
They have to keep the data for a life time but doesn't resolve the guns sold privately.
 
We don't trust car dealerships to keep such data so I can't see a convincing argument for something that requires far higher levels of tracking to be allowed to remain at such an isolated level. You also can't track gun owners behavior without centralising data. Limiting the number of guns any one person can own would be a huge advance in gun control but impossible to achieve without centralised records. And as we know a huge proportion of guns are completely untracked as they are sold privately or at gun shows which should again be subject to central record keeping. Ammo purchases should also be tracked/limited/regulated. The cost should be passed on to gun owners through tax and licencing fees.

Car dealers are shady as feck, though, everyone knows that. ;)

Most of what you're on about here is accomplished under an effective licensing system.

In Canada, license holders are subject to almost real time monitoring. I've referenced it in here before. So our behaviour is monitored. Slip up via violent, drug or domestic offences and wave goodbye to your guns and licence.

In Canada you cannot purchase ammunition or its component parts without a valid firearms licence. Unfortunately, though you probably believe otherwise, tracking ammunition purchases would be useless as target shooters routinely buy thousands of rounds. What you would end up with is a lot of overworked police officers trying to find the next James E. Holmes but coming up empty 999,999 times out of 1 million. It sounds good in theory but proponents of this stuff lack a fulsome perspective, distorting their perception.

I'm not sure what the concern is with limiting the number of guns someone can own? We only have two hands and most people are only good with one of them. At a minimum people would be allowed one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun; if you're worried about the number of guns one might use to cause harm, that's already plenty of ordinance. Groups that are liable to arm themselves and cause harm are usually on the radar so the notion strikes me as trivial. Besides, a licensing system could be adapted to record the number of purchases to alleviate this concern.

Our long gun registry cost well over $2 billion, some say it was as much as $3.7 billion. We have around 2 million licensed owners. I don't think I need to complete the equation to highlight that such a proposal discriminates against the poorest and most vulnerable members of society and robs them of the basic right of security of the person. That doesn't sit right with me.

I'll happily advocate for sensible gun control. There are a lot of measures that can save lives but registries are the biggest example of a band aid solution that costs loads of money and accomplishes little. I'm repeating myself here but that money is better off being spent on things that actually do something to keep people safe. Our registry was doomed by a 2006 report on its effectiveness from our Auditor General, that indicated serious cost overruns, financial reporting issues, data integrity issues, contract issues and more. The report also concluded the registry had no measurable impact on public safety.
 
Car dealers are shady as feck, though, everyone knows that. ;)

Most of what you're on about here is accomplished under an effective licensing system.

In Canada, license holders are subject to almost real time monitoring. I've referenced it in here before. So our behaviour is monitored. Slip up via violent, drug or domestic offences and wave goodbye to your guns and licence.

As long as the scheme isn't trusted to shops and as long as licencing combines with registration functions.

In Canada you cannot purchase ammunition or its component parts without a valid firearms licence. Unfortunately, though you probably believe otherwise, tracking ammunition purchases would be useless as target shooters routinely buy thousands of rounds. What you would end up with is a lot of overworked police officers trying to find the next James E. Holmes but coming up empty 999,999 times out of 1 million. It sounds good in theory but proponents of this stuff lack a fulsome perspective, distorting their perception.

They only buy thousands of rounds if it is legal t do so. All automatic weapons should be banned outright so limiting ammo sales would allow sports shooters to conduct their sport without allowing stockpiling for lunacy illegal sales.

I'm not sure what the concern is with limiting the number of guns someone can own? We only have two hands and most people are only good with one of them. At a minimum people would be allowed one handgun, one rifle and one shotgun; if you're worried about the number of guns one might use to cause harm, that's already plenty of ordinance. Groups that are liable to arm themselves and cause harm are usually on the radar so the notion strikes me as trivial. Besides, a licensing system could be adapted to record the number of purchases to alleviate this concern.

Most illegal guns were legal at one point or another. Hugely reducing the number of guns will reduce the number of illegal guns.

Our long gun registry cost well over $2 billion, some say it was as much as $3.7 billion. We have around 2 million licensed owners. I don't think I need to complete the equation to highlight that such a proposal discriminates against the poorest and most vulnerable members of society and robs them of the basic right of security of the person. That doesn't sit right with me.

How is it possible to spend $1000 per gun to register them? In any case pass it on to the gun owner. And guns don't give security (they do the opposite) so there is no discrimination argument. Reducing the number of guns reduces death and injury rates (not just numbers) so in fact pricing people out of the market increases their safety and everyone elses safety.

I'll happily advocate for sensible gun control. There are a lot of measures that can save lives but registries are the biggest example of a band aid solution that costs loads of money and accomplishes little. I'm repeating myself here but that money is better off being spent on things that actually do something to keep people safe. Our registry was doomed by a 2006 report on its effectiveness from our Auditor General, that indicated serious cost overruns, financial reporting issues, data integrity issues, contract issues and more. The report also concluded the registry had no measurable impact on public safety.

They are doing it wrong then.
 
As long as the scheme isn't trusted to shops and as long as licencing combines with registration functions.

Why not? The shops themselves are heavily regulated and the log book is a condition of their operating licence. Again, lack of perspective impairs judgement here.

They only buy thousands of rounds if it is legal t do so. All automatic weapons should be banned outright so limiting ammo sales would allow sports shooters to conduct their sport without allowing stockpiling for lunacy illegal sales.

Automatic weapons are prohibitively expensive, unless you're talking about banning semi-autos, which is ludicrous and contrary to every human instinct to innovate and use the most effective, modern tools available. Plus, limiting your trips to the gun store or online purchases is environmentally friendly.

Most illegal guns were legal at one point or another. Hugely reducing the number of guns will reduce the number of illegal guns.

This is where things can get murky. In the Canadian experience, most crime guns are smuggled in from the US. They may have been legal there but we're illegal the moment they entered our country.

How is it possible to spend $1000 per gun to register them? In any case pass it on to the gun owner. And guns don't give security (they do the opposite) so there is no discrimination argument. Reducing the number of guns reduces death and injury rates (not just numbers) so in fact pricing people out of the market increases their safety and everyone elses safety.
Per person, actually (registry cost and licence holders being the inputs) Spiralling IT costs, apparently, and also your typical government spin when bringing in something that is intrusive and somewhat controversial...i.e. just say it won't cost much. They also over estimated how much they would bring in via registration fees, likely because the idea was so unpopular they had to waive fees to get people to comply (estimates are that only half of the country's long guns ended up registered).

I'll argue that they do provide security. They definitely are dangerous and their presence increases the risk of accidental injury or death but there are many instances where a firearm is the only thing that can protect a person from the same.

They are doing it wrong then.

:lol: not Stalinst enough for your tastes?
 
Why not? The shops themselves are heavily regulated and the log book is a condition of their operating licence. Again, lack of perspective impairs judgement here.

For the same reason you don't trust motor dealers to look after motor vehicle records. Businesses have differing standards, can do the wrong thing due to economic pressures, go bust, burn down etc.

Automatic weapons are prohibitively expensive, unless you're talking about banning semi-autos, which is ludicrous and contrary to every human instinct to innovate and use the most effective, modern tools available. Plus, limiting your trips to the gun store or online purchases is environmentally friendly.

All handguns should be banned outright for private use barring use at gun clubs when the gun should also be kept there and not allowed off the premises except under very special circumstances e.g. go to approve competition under lock and key. Multi shot shotguns should be hugely restricted and only allowed to those who have an approved and certified need e.g. farmers who can demonstrate a genuine need. A total ban on automatic weapons would also be a great idea.

This is where things can get murky. In the Canadian experience, most crime guns are smuggled in from the US. They may have been legal there but we're illegal the moment they entered our country.

Most of our illegal guns come from robberies of legal guns. mainly from security firms, gun cubs and to a lesser degree private weapons plus imports from various places but with guns bought legally in the country of origin and stolen weapons being only a minor factor due to the difficulty getting them to and in to Australia.

Per person, actually (registry cost and licence holders being the inputs) Spiralling IT costs, apparently, and also your typical government spin when bringing in something that is intrusive and somewhat controversial...i.e. just say it won't cost much. They also over estimated how much they would bring in via registration fees, likely because the idea was so unpopular they had to waive fees to get people to comply (estimates are that only half of the country's long guns ended up registered).

Gun law changes always costs money as gun owners are notorious for flouting laws. We had the same here when we slightly toughened gun laws after Port Arthur. We had to buy back nearly a billion dollars worth of weapons and even that wasn't nearly enough.

I'll argue that they do provide security. They definitely are dangerous and their presence increases the risk of accidental injury or death but there are many instances where a firearm is the only thing that can protect a person from the same.

Just because under very unusual circumstances a gun can be used to protect yourself doesn't mean they serve that function overall. Gun ownership hugely increases your and your family's chances of serious injury or death. For society the outcomes are universally terrible and the rate of death increases with gun owbership and death/injury therefore increases exponentially with increased gun ownership. As Jim Jefferies pointed out the only argument for guns is "I like guns".

:lol: not Stalinst enough for your tastes?

As I was saying to Marx and Godwin at the motor registry the other day ..........

Guns should be dealt with as a health issue and legislated like we legislate smoking so that we reduce deaths by ramping the costs up in various ways and making gun ownership ever increasingly hard work - changing hearts and minds over generations. Attitudes can change but you need patience. People often need encouragement to do things for their own good and that is a legitimate role of government. When I was a kid you could smoke everywhere and now you are a social pariah.
 
For the same reason you don't trust motor dealers to look after motor vehicle records. Businesses have differing standards, can do the wrong thing due to economic pressures, go bust, burn down etc.

As I indicated, the record keeping is a condition of their operating licence here in Canada, that also alleviates the go bust scenario as the regulating body would know when a store closes shop. The book has a standardized layout that means the same details go in wherever you are. Every store I know keeps that book locked up in a fireproof safe or vault at night because it would make a great shopping list for criminals. Anyway, the point is that a national registry duplicates this effort at a huge cost. It's wasteful and your money is better spent on more effective controls than a list of who owns what.


All handguns should be banned outright for private use barring use at gun clubs when the gun should also be kept there and not allowed off the premises except under very special circumstances e.g. go to approve competition under lock and key. Multi shot shotguns should be hugely restricted and only allowed to those who have an approved and certified need e.g. farmers who can demonstrate a genuine need. A total ban on automatic weapons would also be a great idea.;

We have this, without the added risk of centralizing handgun storage in a few large caches. It's much more secure to keep their whereabouts relatively unknown. We have a lot of restrictions in this regard, as far as storage, transport etc are concerned. Aside from the storage requirements, it probably wouldn't work in the US but, for the most part, their concealed carry systems mirror our licensing criteria and though there are instances where the standards don't weed out those who shouldn't be carrying, overall they seem to do a good job. It's the people who flout the laws that are the problem.


Most of our illegal guns come from robberies of legal guns. mainly from security firms, gun cubs and to a lesser degree private weapons plus imports from various places but with guns bought legally in the country of origin and stolen weapons being only a minor factor due to the difficulty getting them to and in to Australia.

Yeah, that's what I was alluding to. It's different depending on where you are. I can imagine it's pretty hard to smuggle guns into Australia. Not the case in Canada. There's just too much cross border traffic.

Gun law changes always costs money as gun owners are notorious for flouting laws. We had the same here when we slightly toughened gun laws after Port Arthur. We had to buy back nearly a billion dollars worth of weapons and even that wasn't nearly enough.

Let's be fair here, nobody likes becoming a criminal over night because certain permissions were removed by an act of parliament. Equally, if a government is going to declare previously legally acquired and owned property as unlawful, they're going to have pay for it to be handed in. Anything else is draconian.


Just because under very unusual circumstances a gun can be used to protect yourself doesn't mean they serve that function overall. Gun ownership hugely increases your and your family's chances of serious injury or death. For society the outcomes are universally terrible and the rate of death increases with gun owbership and death/injury therefore increases exponentially with increased gun ownership. As Jim Jefferies pointed out the only argument for guns is "I like guns".

For some, guns are tools. I know you agree because you've mentioned certain demographics whose ownership and use of guns is acceptable for you. We agree that their presence increases the risk of injury or death. With any risk, various controls need to be established to reduce the hazards. Some places use the technique of avoidance (England, Australia, etc.) while others have implemented less stringent measures and accept the risks that firearms present. Every country, except perhaps the US and a few other outlets with no controls, seeks to minimize harm and, quite naturally, risk tolerances are different from place to place. This makes it difficult to say what systems are the best as the risk tolerance is the driver behind the system.


As I was saying to Marx and Godwin at the motor registry the other day ..........

Guns should be dealt with as a health issue and legislated like we legislate smoking so that we reduce deaths by ramping the costs up in various ways and making gun ownership ever increasingly hard work - changing hearts and minds over generations. Attitudes can change but you need patience. People often need encouragement to do things for their own good and that is a legitimate role of government. When I was a kid you could smoke everywhere and now you are a social pariah.

:lol: well met.

In the US, around 480k people die from smoking related causes each year. 300k from obesity. These are health crises. Of the , admittedly, ridiculously high number of gun deaths in the US, we know the majority of these are suicides.

From the experience in Canada, one of our reasonable control measures requiring safe storage has reduced suicides involving firearms substantially but it is noted that these poor souls have, for the most part, chosen other means to facilitate their demise and, as such, we've seen only a small drop in suicide numbers. Still, I think this is a good thing as the storage requirements also reduce accidental shootings and crimes of passion. It's a very simple measure that I think would have a massive impact on the numbers coming out of the US and opponents of gun control can't argue that it infringes on second amendment rights. I think it's common sense to keep your guns locked up and unloaded.

As for making it difficult, our system pretty much starts with enhanced background checks. You'd be surprised at how many people this discourages from even entertaining the idea of owning a gun.
 
California and Washington both voted in favour of gun control measures tonight.

A proposal to address gun show loopholes is struggling in Nevada however.