I fear something like that is on the cards. Maybe NRA HQ, wherever that is. There is no question that some hair-trigger loonies are going to do something loony, and that the victims won't be clubbers or school kids - they will be people promoting gun ownership, who said-loonies will blame for the loss of innocent lives. Cast-iron guaranteed to happen at some point.
Gun control
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That's one helluva tunnel. From Mexico I assume?Until about 100 years ago, that was the mainstream train of thought
Fox News just indicated that 3 heavily armed people were arrested in a tunnel leading to New York.
A shooting at the Capitol is near-impossible. The security is very high. A loony could shoot a lot of people outside of it though.
Doesn't take long to squeeze off rounds with a semi-auto...but that's what we've all been discussing, isn't it?
I'm referring to the snipers on the roof taking him out much faster than the average mass shooting.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...g-gun-restrictions-after-orlando-707034179552
Speaker Ryan explaining the House of Reps reluctance to create or vote on a law banning gun purchases by people on terror watch or no fly lists.
Speaker Ryan explaining the House of Reps reluctance to create or vote on a law banning gun purchases by people on terror watch or no fly lists.
He used a lot of words to say absolutely nothing - what a load of blather. You'd have thought it was the first time they had had to consider changes in gun laws by the way he speaks about 'getting it right'.
I don't know much about him, but he does seem to have form with regards being against gun-control though: http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan_Gun_Control.htm. Presumably he's very much pro-gun?
He is the epitome of what the NRA wants out of a legislator.
House Democrats are occupying the floor of the House of Representatives in a Sit In to protest the lack of a vote on new gun control measures.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/john-lewis-sit-in-gun-violence/index.html?adkey=bn
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/john-lewis-sit-in-gun-violence/index.html?adkey=bn
Yup, and while they are busy doing that another quadruple shooting has happened. This time in Lacey in Washington State. 3 dead 1 injured.
http://tdn.com/news/state-and-regio...cle_b9717a40-55f4-5a8a-9c39-9771b09448d5.html
If I was a betting man, some sort of drug business deal may be involved in this one.
Somebody should publish the NRA and other gun lobby donations to each congressperson and senator.
I figured, just couldn't be arsed to look for it.
For the record, the man leading the sit it, Rep. John Lewis, is famous for doing this before...
Ahhh I know his stores very well. They also make the most amazing Christmas Adverts.
Paul Ryan has called the House Sit In a publicity stunt...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/paul-ryan-sit-in-guns-publicity-stunt/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/paul-ryan-sit-in-guns-publicity-stunt/index.html
Well it is, isn't it? That's the point...although it's ultimately going to be pointless.
Ryan has lost control of the House floor.
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1541519
Watch the video on the link
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1541519
Watch the video on the link
This year is beginning to look as crazy as 1968. I'm worried about what's going to happen at the conventions.
The Repubs convention will be nuts. Dems might have some minor drama but in the end it will be the Hillary show.
If trump hangs close to Hillary in the polls I can see plenty of violence on the campaign trail between supporters of each candidate. Even with attempted assassinations of each.
It seems to me from the outside that each successive election gets more and more divisive
I blame the primary system for some of it. It leads to extremism in campaigning.
I get to the US a decent amount for work. Have to say i love the place, the people are generally really lovely and its such a huge and varied country that you could spend 100 lifetimes there and see something different each day.
I am genuinely confused as to why it seems to becoming more and more divided politically each election. Could be a mistaken impression but its been a very long time since there was a leader who united the majority of people.
Isn't it just the fact that the whole system is inherently polarising? "Us against them"-mentality all over the place. It's hard to imagine it being any different when it's effectively a two party system.
We get really emotional about politics... Not emotional enough for people to pay attention to what politicians are doing, mind you, just emotional enough to form uninformed extremist emotionally driven opinions about the other side.
It would be terrible if someone started shooting at football players during a match - maybe to influence the result but more likely as a terrorist act. Maybe footballers should be allowed open carry during matches. That would be safer wouldn't it, NRA guys?
Edit: Thinking about this a bit more, it wouldn't really be a good idea at all. Too cumbersome and would interfere with players' movement. Safer if the fans all had guns, eh?
Edit: Thinking about this a bit more, it wouldn't really be a good idea at all. Too cumbersome and would interfere with players' movement. Safer if the fans all had guns, eh?
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Growing up when they would have the annual Republican Party picnic in my home town, the same day they held the annual Democrat Party picnic. Both were held at the same place at the same time. We all mixed, laughed, talked, listened to each others party leaders speak and occasionally give a good nature needling to them.
My neighbor was the Town Clerk (an elected official) every two years when he was up for re-election his best friend ran against him but never actually campaigned.
It was always funny when people from other areas would move to the town and how perplexed they would be over how laid back both parties were in terms of attacking the other party. One year one of the relative newcomers finally got herself on the ballot for Town Clerk, not really grasping that she was a sacrificial lamb. She campaigned hard, the party had to give her money, and they let her go about her business. Our neighbor the incumbent Town Clerk, did his usual thing of just going about his life and doing his job they way it needed to be done. She was quite shocked when she did not even get 10% of the vote.
They were different times.
Anyone watching Sky News? 
God almighty Robinson is a fecking painful and uninformed idiot. She was completely destroying him, and I'm not even on her side of the debateAnyone watching Sky News?
This thread and the US Elections thread seem to have morphed into each other.
On gun control, it is probably a whole lot different saying someone can't fly from denying them their constitutional right to keep and bear arms - since that barmy Heller rulling twisted things around. It's crystal clear that the founders had a well regulated militia in mind and not crazies and those who are not trusted enough to be allowed to fly. The damage done by that ruling will have to be undone or there will never be any effective form of gun control and many, many more innocent lives will be blown away.
On gun control, it is probably a whole lot different saying someone can't fly from denying them their constitutional right to keep and bear arms - since that barmy Heller rulling twisted things around. It's crystal clear that the founders had a well regulated militia in mind and not crazies and those who are not trusted enough to be allowed to fly. The damage done by that ruling will have to be undone or there will never be any effective form of gun control and many, many more innocent lives will be blown away.
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Spoken to a lot of fellow Americans and majority of them are horrified at the thought any kind of gun control. Basically they won't change their minds until something happens to them, or one of their loved one's. It's the same with sorting out the outrageous medical costs and health insurance. It's a fecking joke how people are so against any kind of reform.
It is a society that was based around and breeds individualism. To get any sort of social policy is always going to be a mega struggle.
Not as clear as we'd like to believe, sadly. If you read some of Washington's personal writings, which contain his palpable contempt to militias as a whole, you'd have to question if the 2nd is really about 'a well regulated militia'.
The situation is fecked up, but that's what you get when you are too hung up of the words of slavers 250 years ago. Brilliant men for their time and in some aspects even nowadays, but deeply flawed nonetheless, as did their Bill of Rights.
The Guardian is running an interesting series suggesting that most gun control including the assault weapons ban and universal background checks may not be that effective. I've personally felt that if there is to be gun control it must be 1. federal and 2. very strong, otherwise you can just cross state lines or get a different type of gun or find some technicality. Unfortunately those kinds of laws wold probably violate the 2nd amendment. So, I don't think it's a tractable problem at all, and gun deaths will continue at current rates.
Something doesn't add up. I've seen numbers as high as mid 80s for Americans wanting stronger gun control. Here is an example at 55%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
How anyone can question whether "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" relates to a well regulated militia beggars belief.
I've always thought that the only solution to their gun problem is to remove the 2nd amendment, period. Those who need guns for reasonable purposes can always apply for a license. Recreation? Shooting range.
It's insane that a piece of law written when the most advance firearm you could have fire one shot in what, 1 minute, is held up as a shining example of how you should live your life.