Funny as there was a yakuza boss shot dead about 10 miles from my house a couple of weeks ago.
Gun control
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Funny as there was a yakuza boss shot dead about 10 miles from my house a couple of weeks ago.
I used to kill flies with a bb gun and I would kill a wasp when I see one.I wouldn't even shoot insects. They are nasty bastards over here. We have this wasp...
Piss them off and a few of them can kill you.
Do you live in Japan? Also I though guns are banned from Japan so I wonder how they got the hand on one.
Yes, I live in a small city near Hiroshima.
Apparently, the guy was killed by a hitman. Guns are banned but you can get hunting licenses after really rigorous checks.
I heard that just firing a gun here carries a 3 year jail sentence.
I find the protection of the amendments hilarious.
"You cannot make any changes to the constitution and I'm going to use an amendment as proof to this fact."
"You cannot make any changes to the constitution and I'm going to use an amendment as proof to this fact."
Interestingly enough, the Japanese produce some fine rifles and shotguns for Browning and Winchester.
1 ratified amendment repealed in 225 years. You're right, it's a knee slapper.
It's the very nature of what they are.
You cannot add or edit the constitution! Not least something that has already been changed or added in/to the constitution in the past!
With regard to gun violence in the US, is this true? If it is, isn't it mind-blowing?
How can people read that and not want to take action for change?
Edit: I really don't understand our American friends...
The deeper I look into this, the gloomier it appears. The landmark "Heller" supreme court ruling interpreted the 2nd amendment as guaranteeing the right for americans to keep and bare firearms for protection in the home. Whilst my own view on that is that it was a travesty in which political interests won out over justice, it is now accepted as consitutionally binding. Strange facts have emerged, however...
"Data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive reveals a shocking human toll: there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – on five out of every six days, on average. (Updated on 13 June 2016)"
How can people read that and not want to take action for change?
Edit: I really don't understand our American friends...
"Despite the rise in the number of mass shootings, public opinion about gun control has shifted over that period away from controlling gun ownership according to Pew Research Center.
Their survey question, which has been asked since 1993, has been criticised as polarizing and too simplistic. The question asks: “What do you think is more important – to protect the right of Americans to own guns or to control gun ownership?”.
However separate questions about banning specific weapons also point to rising support for the right to own guns.
When Pew has conducted surveys immediately before and after shootings, they have found that violence has little effect on public opinion about gun control"
Edit again:Their survey question, which has been asked since 1993, has been criticised as polarizing and too simplistic. The question asks: “What do you think is more important – to protect the right of Americans to own guns or to control gun ownership?”.
However separate questions about banning specific weapons also point to rising support for the right to own guns.
When Pew has conducted surveys immediately before and after shootings, they have found that violence has little effect on public opinion about gun control"
The deeper I look into this, the gloomier it appears. The landmark "Heller" supreme court ruling interpreted the 2nd amendment as guaranteeing the right for americans to keep and bare firearms for protection in the home. Whilst my own view on that is that it was a travesty in which political interests won out over justice, it is now accepted as consitutionally binding. Strange facts have emerged, however...
"For example, Kellermann et al. (13, 14) examined the relation between gun ownership and injury outcomes. After they controlled for a number of potentially confounding factors, the presence of a gun in the home was associated with a nearly fivefold risk of suicide (adjusted odds ratio = 4.8) (13) and an almost threefold risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio = 2.7) (14)."
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Senate rejected all 4 new gun control proposals today despite polling showing 80+% support for the measures from Republican, Democrat, and Independent voters.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/index.html
When your country is owned by the NRA...
There's basically no way for Congress to hide that fact now. When polls show that 80+% of Americans support what you're voting on and you vote them all down...
This is part of why I am as skeptical as I am when people suggest bans or amending the 2nd Amendment.
I have to say, that's insane.
It has become quite frequent now for our government to ignore the opinion of the American people.
I've said in the classroom, despite the fact that I might get reprimanded for it, that we are a plutocracy masquerading as a republic.
Well... beware the enemy within. People will be pissed.
I sincerely hope the people get pissed. Would love to see the current lot in Washington run out of town.
Of course, without some form of reform in the realm of campaign finance, we will most likely end up with SSDD. (I'm cynical)
Congressional approval rating is at an all-time low, barely crossing double digits. But most elections are a horse-race between 2 pro-corporate candidates in gerrymandered districts. Because districts are gerrymandered, I would guess that both candidates in most districts would either be very pro-NRA or both anti-NRA.
About the 80% disapproval thing, I think 2 more points are relevant:
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2. John Oliver explained last night how committed the NRA and its supporters are, and so they can overcome limited numbers.
I really wish I could get away with showing that video in class.
Is it a secret ballot or do we get to see who voted for and against?
Congressional voting results are readily available to the public. The American people though are so apathetic about government that they 1) don't keep up with their up for reelection every 2 years representative.. 2) don't remember what their up for reelection every 6 years senator has done.. and 3) can typically only remember 1 person who has anything to do with our government, the president, who really only asks Congress for things and signs or doesn't sign what they create, but they don't know that because they don't pay attention, so they blame everything on him and nothing changes in Congress.
Sometimes I think that the Founding Fathers were onto something when they only allowed educated stake holders in the country to vote. (minus the slavery and sexist aspect of it obviously)
So... all a prospective representative has to do to get voted in is say "Look! That arsehole voted for x, y & z!" - and they're in!
That's exactly what they do, actually.
In no way am I about to endorse Sarah Palin here, but it serves as a good illustration of the American electorate...
In 2008, many voters (even to this day, I might add) lambasted Sarah Palin for saying "I can see Russia from my house", wholeheartedly believing it was Palin who said it... It was not Sarah Palin; however, it was Tina Fey impersonating Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live. That's the measure of a large part of the American electorate that these campaigns are catering towards.
What Palin actually said was equally as stupid. It was also an accurate representation of what Palin was trying to convey.
About par for the course for her lol
Yeah but, to be fair, I think she probably meant North Korea. Or South Korea. An island. Somewhere. Probably.
Seriously though, from 4:30 to 6:10 in this is poignant.
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Just thinking out loud here - is it legal for the Senate to be sued? I'm thinking the next time someone who would have been barred from buying an automatic weapon by one of the measures just voted down goes on a rampage with an automatic weapon some creative attorney could make a causal link. Especially when the measures were so strongly supported by the people.
Breaking: US senate has blocked all proposals to restrict gun sales.
Edit: not breaking
Edit: not breaking
Nope otherwise everyone who did not like a law would be suing the Senate.
Like @JustAFan said, it is impossible. The Constitution grants members of Congress legislative immunity. For that matter, the entire Federal government is immune from lawsuit unless it has granted permission to be sued.
Besides, that sort of causality would kill criminal law entirely.
There is no point in allowing the possibility of legal charges being brought upon lawmakers for making laws.
There is no point in allowing the possibility of legal charges being brought upon lawmakers for making laws.
Ok thanks.
Because besides the occasional mad man shooting kids in a school most of the mass shootings are between gangs and we really don't give a shit if they are killing themselves, sounds bad but that's what most of the people thinks. They aren't news anymore.
It's not even legal to shit in their handbags 
It's only illegal if they catch youIt's not even legal to shit in their handbags
Chicago itself has had over 1800 shootings in the last 6 months alone. The lack of action in regards to gun control is astonishing here in the US.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...hurt-in-weekend-shootings-20160620-story.html
Only way there would be some sort of gun control is if some nutter gets into the Capitol building and shoots the place up with mass causalties.
Another one of those "I know it's true but I can't prove it' statements that I believe is that many pro-gunners think that it's mostly black gang-bangers and criminals dying from guns, so it's an acceptable form of attrition. It's why you see Chicago being used so much by the pro crowd. It's almost an acceptable concept here that if you commit a crime it's fair for you to be shot dead for it, no matter how serious a crime it may be.
Until about 100 years ago, that was the mainstream train of thought
Fox News just indicated that 3 heavily armed people were arrested in a tunnel leading to New York.