Gun control

Let's be honest: no one really owns a gun for protection or because it's a right. They own them because they're insecure, power-hungry wankers who get a sadistic thrill from owning an object whose sole purpose is to kill.
 
Let's be honest: no one really owns a gun for protection or because it's a right. They own them because they're insecure, power-hungry wankers who get a sadistic thrill from owning an object whose sole purpose is to kill.

Rather generalized statement there. Good attempt at a constructive post though.

3/10 would read again if nothing else was available.
 
What about Dwayne flouncing about in body armour?

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Has anyone raised the idea that the right to OWN guns is very quietly masking the notion that the right to SELL guns is the main driving force behind the NRA at the moment. I say this as last black Friday set some sort of sales record for the total $$$ of weapons sold in one day.

here's a couple of questions

1. how much do you think gun manufacturers in the US contribute to the NRA on an annual basis?

http://www.thenation.com/article/does-nra-represent-gun-manufacturers-or-gun-owners/

2. How much money does Wayne LaPierre (NRA president) make a year?
 
From Jeanine Ferris Pirro who is a former prosecutor and judge and is currently a legal analyst and TV personality. Pirro is the host of Fox News Channel’s television show Justice with Judge Jeanine

Quite amazing video....

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/...-terrorists-here-time-start-fighting-survival

The single deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 has happened. They're here and it’s time to stop pussy footing around, time to stop this 'politically incorrect' nonsense worrying about other people's feelings, pull out all the stops and start fighting for the survival of this country and our way of life.


You need to make a plan; how you’re going to protect yourself, your family, and your kids.

This is not about politics. It's about being safe. It's about surviving.

The plan:

Number one. Get a gun. Buy one legally. Learn how to shoot. And be primed to use it. I don't care if you get a long gun, a handgun, a revolver, a semi-automatic. Get whatever gun you can handle. And don't let anyone talk you out of it. The Second Amendment to the Constitution and the United States Supreme Court confirm your right to have one.
 
How long will it take until the first innocent person is shot down because he/she looks Arab with propagada like that going around?
 
From Jeanine Ferris Pirro who is a former prosecutor and judge and is currently a legal analyst and TV personality. Pirro is the host of Fox News Channel’s television show Justice with Judge Jeanine

Quite amazing video....

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/...-terrorists-here-time-start-fighting-survival

The single deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 has happened. They're here and it’s time to stop pussy footing around, time to stop this 'politically incorrect' nonsense worrying about other people's feelings, pull out all the stops and start fighting for the survival of this country and our way of life.


You need to make a plan; how you’re going to protect yourself, your family, and your kids.

This is not about politics. It's about being safe. It's about surviving.

The plan:

Number one. Get a gun. Buy one legally. Learn how to shoot. And be primed to use it. I don't care if you get a long gun, a handgun, a revolver, a semi-automatic. Get whatever gun you can handle. And don't let anyone talk you out of it. The Second Amendment to the Constitution and the United States Supreme Court confirm your right to have one.


That's completely mental.
 
There is absolutely no valid reason for anyone who is not a law enforcement agent or soldier to own a gun in an allegedly civilized nation. End of.
 
From Jeanine Ferris Pirro who is a former prosecutor and judge and is currently a legal analyst and TV personality. Pirro is the host of Fox News Channel’s television show Justice with Judge Jeanine

Quite amazing video....

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/...-terrorists-here-time-start-fighting-survival

The single deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 has happened. They're here and it’s time to stop pussy footing around, time to stop this 'politically incorrect' nonsense worrying about other people's feelings, pull out all the stops and start fighting for the survival of this country and our way of life.


You need to make a plan; how you’re going to protect yourself, your family, and your kids.

This is not about politics. It's about being safe. It's about surviving.

The plan:

Number one. Get a gun. Buy one legally. Learn how to shoot. And be primed to use it. I don't care if you get a long gun, a handgun, a revolver, a semi-automatic. Get whatever gun you can handle. And don't let anyone talk you out of it. The Second Amendment to the Constitution and the United States Supreme Court confirm your right to have one.

Jesus feck. Her name is Jeanine Pirro. Sounds Italian, and she looks very Italian/American. Oh, the irony. How about Americans start a jihad against Italian Americans. Them and their mafias have been terrorising American cities, especially on the east coast, for over a hundred years, carrying out countless murders, extortion, creating endless acts of economical and moral corruption in society.

I remember watching an episode of the Sopranos and watching their mafia crew getting all patriotic and outraged about 9/11, and I thought to myself, feck these guys and their outrage . . . these Italian mobs are the real fecking terrorists, and they´ve been terrorising America since they immigrated to the US in countless ways. The Sopranos was just episode after episode of their terrorism

Yet these Italian mafia families are constantly glorified from the Godfather to the Sopranos and are firmly entrenched in pop culture and American folklore. Fecking terrorists is what they are, whose god is the almighty dollar. Weird if you really think about it and compare muslim Americans and Catholic Italian Americans in terms of crime and violence and mayhem.

. . . and to have to listen to this Italian American Jeanine Pirro pontificate to America. Feck off!!!
 
Let's be honest: no one really owns a gun for protection or because it's a right. They own them because they're insecure, power-hungry wankers who get a sadistic thrill from owning an object whose sole purpose is to kill.

Er, nope. Try again?
 
Hunters in the US own hunting rifles and other small firearms. I am not against those. But even so they need to be licensed and registered.

The Supreme Court ruling yesterday is interesting because it basically says a ban on assault weapons was valid.

http://www.chicagomag.com/city-life...l-Cant-Own-An-Assault-Rifle-in-Highland-Park/

If states decide to ban assault weapons, we could at least go some way to addressing this madness.
 
Hunters in the US own hunting rifles and other small firearms. I am not against those. But even so they need to be licensed and registered.

The Supreme Court ruling yesterday is interesting because it basically says a ban on assault weapons was valid.

http://www.chicagomag.com/city-life...l-Cant-Own-An-Assault-Rifle-in-Highland-Park/

If states decide to ban assault weapons, we could at least go some way to addressing this madness.

Trust me when I say you definitely want to licence people and will want to avoid registering guns. Registration is unbelievably costly and completely ineffective. Police can already link a firearm to a store who will have records to link it to a buyer. If you worry about private sales making it harder to track guns, ban private sales and make people sell them on consignment via an FFL dealer.

I also wouldn't worry too much about assault weapons. Restrict magazine capacity for civilian semi-autos and you'll be grand.
 
Trust me when I say you definitely want to licence people and will want to avoid registering guns. Registration is unbelievably costly and completely ineffective. Police can already link a firearm to a store who will have records to link it to a buyer. If you worry about private sales making it harder to track guns, ban private sales and make people sell them on consignment via an FFL dealer.

I also wouldn't worry too much about assault weapons. Restrict magazine capacity for civilian semi-autos and you'll be grand.

as to the cost, I would make it almost impossible for private ownership of any types of assault weapons. They can modify these things I would think. I'm no expert mind.
 
as to the cost, I would make it almost impossible for private ownership of any types of assault weapons. They can modify these things I would think. I'm no expert mind.

Real assault weapons are already prohibitively expensive for all but the very wealthy. Five figures is the range.

It is possible to modify semi-autos to fire in full-auto but the results are never good. One fella up here tried it and his semi-auto became a single shot rifle. The RCMP did it to another rifle and it managed one shot before failing completely. Apparently, it's more effective to wear out the mechanism by dumping tens of thousands of rounds down range, but by doing that you also wear out the barrel and gas system. Make of that what you will.
 
Real assault weapons are already prohibitively expensive for all but the very wealthy. Five figures is the range.

It is possible to modify semi-autos to fire in full-auto but the results are never good. One fella up here tried it and his semi-auto became a single shot rifle. The RCMP did it to another rifle and it managed one shot before failing completely. Apparently, it's more effective to wear out the mechanism by dumping tens of thousands of rounds down range, but by doing that you also wear out the barrel and gas system. Make of that what you will.

so what did these people use? Apparently someone else purchase them for them. wondering about the cost too. Are not AK-47s relatively cheap? You can get those here I think.
 
Couldn't it just be made so that you can own a gun, fine, but it can only be stored at a federally licenced shooting or hunting range.

The ranges can be expanded to add the appropriate storage facilities and security systems must adhere to strict standards to retain the federal licence for each facility.

The sole exception to this will be ranchers owning land with a legitimate need for holding rifles, who will again be personally licenced.
 
From Jeanine Ferris Pirro who is a former prosecutor and judge and is currently a legal analyst and TV personality. Pirro is the host of Fox News Channel’s television show Justice with Judge Jeanine

Quite amazing video....

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/...-terrorists-here-time-start-fighting-survival

The single deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11 has happened. They're here and it’s time to stop pussy footing around, time to stop this 'politically incorrect' nonsense worrying about other people's feelings, pull out all the stops and start fighting for the survival of this country and our way of life.


You need to make a plan; how you’re going to protect yourself, your family, and your kids.

This is not about politics. It's about being safe. It's about surviving.

The plan:

Number one. Get a gun. Buy one legally. Learn how to shoot. And be primed to use it. I don't care if you get a long gun, a handgun, a revolver, a semi-automatic. Get whatever gun you can handle. And don't let anyone talk you out of it. The Second Amendment to the Constitution and the United States Supreme Court confirm your right to have one.

In fairness... that is pretty good advice... if you were advising people on how to survive the impending Zombie apocalypse.
 
so what did these people use? Apparently someone else purchase them for them. wondering about the cost too. Are not AK-47s relatively cheap? You can get those here I think.

Yeah I think one can get an AK for under $600 in the US. The guy up here used a Ruger Mini-14, fairly standard semi-auto rifle, doesn't even look scary. Thankfully he pooched it before he went on a rampage. The US needs more controls around acquisition, I've always said that.
 
Couldn't it just be made so that you can own a gun, fine, but it can only be stored at a federally licenced shooting or hunting range.

The ranges can be expanded to add the appropriate storage facilities and security systems must adhere to strict standards to retain the federal licence for each facility.

The sole exception to this will be ranchers owning land with a legitimate need for holding rifles, who will again be personally licenced.

The concern is that centralized storage facilities will become a target for organized crime. There's also the problem of NIMBYism, maybe not so much for the guns but an ammunition store is an explosive and fire hazard.

Then we have the matter of exceptions. Once you create special sub-groups, there will be issues and legal challenges that delay implementation.

The best route is for the US to emulate Canada's licenseing and monitoring system. I am criminally background checked every minute of every day.
 
The concern is that centralized storage facilities will become a target for organized crime. There's also the problem of NIMBYism, maybe not so much for the guns but an ammunition store is an explosive and fire hazard.

Then we have the matter of exceptions. Once you create special sub-groups, there will be issues and legal challenges that delay implementation.

The best route is for the US to emulate Canada's licenseing and monitoring system. I am criminally background checked every minute of every day.
I had to Google NIMBY, but I can understand that would be a concern, hence the super strict security requirements. Ammo is already stored in gun ranges.

Legal challenges are a can of worms in the US, and a big reason why nothing will ever actually change.
 
Not much to engage here, it is what it is: deriving pleasure from shooting animals.

I don't shoot animals only targets. Air rifles don't have enough range to keep me interested. Darts are dangerous, particularly because people get drunk and do stupid things with them.
 
I don't shoot animals only targets. Air rifles don't have enough range to keep me interested. Darts are dangerous, particularly because people get drunk and do stupid things with them.

So you only own a gun for long range shooting as a sport? I'd say you must be a very small minority and I'm sure we can find you an alternative marksmanship sport.
 
So you only own a gun for long range shooting as a sport? I'd say you must be a very small minority and I'm sure we can find you an alternative marksmanship sport.

Target shooting is the reason I own guns, yes. There are potential secondary purposes for them as a result; defence, hunting, but they were not a factor when I decided to get licensed and acquire firearms.

There are two million people in Canada with similar interests as me, so not a very small minority, no.

No one anywhere would appreciate people who actively denigrate them and their pastime deciding what they should and should not do with their spare time.
 
Let's be honest: no one really owns a gun for protection or because it's a right. They own them because they're insecure, power-hungry wankers who get a sadistic thrill from owning an object whose sole purpose is to kill.

Why then? For hunting? That's as sadistic a pleasure as they come.

Not much to engage here, it is what it is: deriving pleasure from shooting animals.

So you only own a gun for long range shooting as a sport? I'd say you must be a very small minority and I'm sure we can find you an alternative marksmanship sport.

Incredible consistency there in managing to be small minded and condescending in multiple posts on the same page. Bravo.
 
Target shooting is the reason I own guns, yes. There are potential secondary purposes for them as a result; defence, hunting, but they were not a factor when I decided to get licensed and acquire firearms.

There are two million people in Canada with similar interests as me, so not a very small minority, no.

No one anywhere would appreciate people who actively denigrate them and their pastime deciding what they should and should not do with their spare time.

If that pastime is hunting, it deserves to be denigrated.
 
The concern is that centralized storage facilities will become a target for organized crime. There's also the problem of NIMBYism, maybe not so much for the guns but an ammunition store is an explosive and fire hazard.

Then we have the matter of exceptions. Once you create special sub-groups, there will be issues and legal challenges that delay implementation.

The best route is for the US to emulate Canada's licenseing and monitoring system. I am criminally background checked every minute of every day.

Nah, they're not concerns, they're excuses. I can see separate storage wouldn't be practical in sparsely populated regions, but in towns and cities it's quite feasible.
 
Target shooting is the reason I own guns, yes. There are potential secondary purposes for them as a result; defence, hunting, but they were not a factor when I decided to get licensed and acquire firearms.

There are two million people in Canada with similar interests as me, so not a very small minority, no.

No one anywhere would appreciate people who actively denigrate them and their pastime deciding what they should and should not do with their spare time.


So what is the body armour for?