Gun control

Grinner said:
Should we teach them how to smoke and drink properly too?
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I used to sip my dad's Guinness at 9 :nervous:

Regarding kids and guns, if you have guns in the house, at the very least, basic gun safety needs to be drummed into their heads as soon as possible. If they show interest in handling them, there are worse ways of learning than having a parent properly teaching them.

I'm reminded of that kid accidentally killing that gun instructor after being handed an Uzi.
 
adexkola said:
I used to sip my dad's Guinness at 9 :nervous:

Regarding kids and guns, if you have guns in the house, at the very least, basic gun safety needs to be drummed into their heads as soon as possible. If they show interest in handling them, there are worse ways of learning than having a parent properly teaching them.

I'm reminded of that kid accidentally killing that gun instructor after being handed an Uzi.
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I'd say if you have to teach kids gun safety due to concerns they'll get their hands on your own guns then you don't have them secured appropriately.

My kid is getting to the age of visiting his friends' houses visiting and I've already learned of friends with guns. I'm petrified. I think there's going to be a lot of arguments with other parents in my future.
 
senorgregster said:
I'd say if you have to teach kids gun safety due to concerns they'll get their hands on your own guns then you don't have them secured appropriately.

My kid is getting to the age of visiting his friends' houses visiting and I've already learned of friends with guns. I'm petrified. I think there's going to be a lot of arguments with other parents in my future.
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The proliferation of guns in America means it is highly likely you'll bump into guns in most places. I've visited a friend once and saw her brother's Ruger laying on the kitchen counter. I don't have kids but if I do in the future I'll have to assume he/she will be in situations where gun toting adults aren't as responsible with their firearms as they should be, and teach them accordingly.

I can't even imagine how I'd react if I knew my kid's friends live in houses where guns are present.
 
adexkola said:
The proliferation of guns in America means it is highly likely you'll bump into guns in most places. I've visited a friend once and saw her brother's Ruger laying on the kitchen counter. I don't have kids but if I do in the future I'll have to assume he/she will be in situations where gun toting adults aren't as responsible with their firearms as they should be, and teach them accordingly.

I can't even imagine how I'd react if I knew my kid's friends live in houses where guns are present.
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Agreed. I'm not sure how we will be handling this. We have a few years before it becomes a real issue.
 
senorgregster said:
Agreed. I'm not sure how we will be handling this. We have a few years before it becomes a real issue.
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The simple solution is to drill your kids to do one of two things if they happen upon an unattended firearm:

1. Call an adult and don't touch it.
2. Leave the area and tell an adult.

Until they know how to make a gun safe and you can fully trust them to not do anything stupid or succumb to peer pressure those are the two best options.
 
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Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
The simple solution is to drill your kids to do one of two things if they happen upon an unattended firearm:

1. Call an adult and don't touch it.
2. Leave the area and tell an adult.

Until they know how to make a gun safe and you can fully trust them to not do anything stupid or succumb to peer pressure those are the two best options.
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I spoke with a cop a few years ago before the media turn them in the bad guys and he told me the best thing is unload a gun and let your small son/daughter touch the gun, after all they would lose the interest and they will not be looking for the gun (hes was a cop so obvious his kids see him carrying a gun all the time), I did that with my son and daughter and he never showed any interest anymore for my handgun, now he's 18 and owns 2 shotguns which I still keep in my safe.
 
barros said:
I spoke with a cop a few years ago before the media cel phone videos turn them in the bad guys and he told me the best thing is unload a gun and let your small son/daughter touch the gun, after all they would lose the interest and they will not be looking for the gun (hes was a cop so obvious his kids see him carrying a gun all the time), I did that with my son and daughter and he never showed any interest anymore for my handgun, now he's 18 and owns 2 shotguns which I still keep in my safe.
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barros said:
I spoke with a cop a few years ago before the media turn them in the bad guys and he told me the best thing is unload a gun and let your small son/daughter touch the gun, after all they would lose the interest and they will not be looking for the gun (hes was a cop so obvious his kids see him carrying a gun all the time), I did that with my son and daughter and he never showed any interest anymore for my handgun, now he's 18 and owns 2 shotguns which I still keep in my safe.
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That would also require having a gun or having access to a gun. I want no guns within 100 miles of me at all times :)
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
The simple solution is to drill your kids to do one of two things if they happen upon an unattended firearm:

1. Call an adult and don't touch it.
2. Leave the area and tell an adult.

Until they know how to make a gun safe and you can fully trust them to not do anything stupid or succumb to peer pressure those are the two best options.
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Thanks for this. Honestly, just thinking about those scenarios makes me sick to my stomach. Strangely enough, my dad and brother use guns back in England but I have zero interest.
 
Look at this fella in Ireland. We could do with some gun control ourselves.

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senorgregster said:
Thanks for this. Honestly, just thinking about those scenarios makes me sick to my stomach. Strangely enough, my dad and brother use guns back in England but I have zero interest.
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I don't even have kids but I feel quite uneasy just thinking about a scenario where I have to teach my hypothetical kids about guns because it's a necessity.
 
Grinner said:
Should we teach them how to smoke and drink properly too?
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Yes.

My parents allowed me Alcohol from an early age. If I wanted to try something I just asked, when I got to 13/14 I was allowed to ask for a beer and was always allowed a glass of wine at sunday dinner.

Subsequently when every other 13/14 year old was going down the park drinking a bottle of white lightning, I didn't join in. There was no mystery or excitement to it.

The same reasoning can apply to guns here, you show a younger child how to shoot and good safety then when they're older it's automaticly engrained in them and they don't feel the need to go off and do it all themselves thinking they know everything like the other poster said.
 
IrishLegend said:
Yes.

My parents allowed me Alcohol from an early age. If I wanted to try something I just asked, when I got to 13/14 I was allowed to ask for a beer and was always allowed a glass of wine at sunday dinner.

Subsequently when every other 13/14 year old was going down the park drinking a bottle of white lightning, I didn't join in. There was no mystery or excitement to it.
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I'd have taken the piss here. "Mum, I'd like to try hookers please, order me a prozzie for after Art Attack."
 
IrishLegend said:
Yes.

My parents allowed me Alcohol from an early age. If I wanted to try something I just asked, when I got to 13/14 I was allowed to ask for a beer and was always allowed a glass of wine at sunday dinner.

Subsequently when every other 13/14 year old was going down the park drinking a bottle of white lightning, I didn't join in. There was no mystery or excitement to it.

The same reasoning can apply to guns here, you show a younger child how to shoot and good safety then when they're older it's automaticly engrained in them and they don't feel the need to go off and do it all themselves thinking they know everything like the other poster said.
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I always let my kids drink since they are 14 with moderation, I prefer them to drink with me than have them drinking in the park with his/hers friends.
 
IrishLegend said:
Yes.

My parents allowed me Alcohol from an early age. If I wanted to try something I just asked, when I got to 13/14 I was allowed to ask for a beer and was always allowed a glass of wine at sunday dinner.

Subsequently when every other 13/14 year old was going down the park drinking a bottle of white lightning, I didn't join in. There was no mystery or excitement to it.

The same reasoning can apply to guns here, you show a younger child how to shoot and good safety then when they're older it's automaticly engrained in them and they don't feel the need to go off and do it all themselves thinking they know everything like the other poster said.
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Although there is a risk of your child being a nobend like me that did all that AND got smashed in the park every weekend.
 
IrishLegend said:
Yes.

My parents allowed me Alcohol from an early age. If I wanted to try something I just asked, when I got to 13/14 I was allowed to ask for a beer and was always allowed a glass of wine at sunday dinner.

Subsequently when every other 13/14 year old was going down the park drinking a bottle of white lightning, I didn't join in. There was no mystery or excitement to it.

The same reasoning can apply to guns here, you show a younger child how to shoot and good safety then when they're older it's automaticly engrained in them and they don't feel the need to go off and do it all themselves thinking they know everything like the other poster said.
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So when you were 14 you would rather have a glass of wine with your mum than try and get in some drunk girls pants down the park?

wow - what a strange world we live in - I cant possibly imagine having my brain wired that way.

As for Guns I have a couple abroad (where it is legal) but since we had a kid I had them moved out of the house and they now reside at a shooting range)

There is no way I would teach my son to shoot whilst he was still a child.
 
adexkola said:
I used to sip my dad's Guinness at 9 :nervous:

Regarding kids and guns, if you have guns in the house, at the very least, basic gun safety needs to be drummed into their heads as soon as possible. If they show interest in handling them, there are worse ways of learning than having a parent properly teaching them.

I'm reminded of that kid accidentally killing that gun instructor after being handed an Uzi.
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I think I may have indentified the real problem here and it's not a lack of education.

There's a reason we don't let 12-15 year olds learn to drive and cars are considerably less lethal than guns. Teaching them about responsible drinking is another matter entirely, as the only person at risk is themselves.
 
sun_tzu said:
So when you were 14 you would rather have a glass of wine with your mum than try and get in some drunk girls pants down the park?

wow - what a strange world we live in - I cant possibly imagine having my brain wired that way.

As for Guns I have a couple abroad (where it is legal) but since we had a kid I had them moved out of the house and they now reside at a shooting range)

There is no way I would teach my son to shoot whilst he was still a child.
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Most those kids had kids of their own at 17/18 and have been married and divorced multiple times and some have even ended up dead.

So yeah, looking back. I think I made the right call.
 
IrishLegend said:
Most those kids had kids of their own at 17/18 and have been married and divorced multiple times and some have even ended up dead.

So yeah, looking back. I think I made the right call.
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:lol::lol:

Where the feck do you live? I spent my days as a 14/15 year old, trying to get a few cans at the weekend and meet girls with my friends. It's what kids did. It was fun. None of my friends had kids at 17, none have been divorced and all are in more than decent jobs. Anyway, I'm sure having a glass of wine with your mum was great too.
 
RexHamilton said:
:lol::lol:

Where the feck do you live? I spent my days as a 14/15 year old, trying to get a few cans at the weekend and meet girls with my friends. It's what kids did. It was fun. None of my friends had kids at 17, none have been divorced and all are in more than decent jobs. Anyway, I'm sure having a glass of wine with your mum was great too.
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The most middle class area on earth. And it worked out alright because when I was 16/17 because I wasn't a degenerate, we were allowed parties round mine with the alcohol provided because we were responsible (although there was two incidents that may have landed me in a large amount of shit, 1) an idiot who ordered seaweed when we got take away regurgitated it all over the place, 2) Water soakers inside (I'm starting to look back at my 'responsible' phase and doubt it))
 
IrishLegend said:
The most middle class area on earth. And it worked out alright because when I was 16/17 because I wasn't a degenerate, we were allowed parties round mine with the alcohol provided because we were responsible (although there was two incidents that may have landed me in a large amount of shit, 1) an idiot who ordered seaweed when we got take away regurgitated it all over the place, 2) Water soakers inside (I'm starting to look back at my 'responsible' phase and doubt it))
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Holy feck. Did you get the carpet wet?
 
IrishLegend said:
The most middle class area on earth. And it worked out alright because when I was 16/17 because I wasn't a degenerate, we were allowed parties round mine with the alcohol provided because we were responsible (although there was two incidents that may have landed me in a large amount of shit, 1) an idiot who ordered seaweed when we got take away regurgitated it all over the place, 2) Water soakers inside (I'm starting to look back at my 'responsible' phase and doubt it))
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Seaweed and Water Soakers. fecking hell. No wonder they call you Irish Legend.
 
RexHamilton said:
:lol::lol:

Where the feck do you live? I spent my days as a 14/15 year old, trying to get a few cans at the weekend and meet girls with my friends. It's what kids did. It was fun. None of my friends had kids at 17, none have been divorced and all are in more than decent jobs. Anyway, I'm sure having a glass of wine with your mum was great too.
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The risk of having them drinking in the park is when they drive they could have an accident and they don't need to go to the park to score with a girl.
 
sun_tzu said:
So when you were 14 you would rather have a glass of wine with your mum than try and get in some drunk girls pants down the park?

wow - what a strange world we live in - I cant possibly imagine having my brain wired that way.

As for Guns I have a couple abroad (where it is legal) but since we had a kid I had them moved out of the house and they now reside at a shooting range)

There is no way I would teach my son to shoot whilst he was still a child.
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Wasn't suggesting they learn to shoot, just that they learn some basics about guns so that in the event of happening upon one they don't do anything reckless.
 
Red Dreams said:
just common sense background checks...even at those gun shows could have prevented all those murders.

So people have to wait...so what.

The NRA is simply the marketing arm of gun manufacturers. That is the simple fact.
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It's possible. I had to give two references as part of our licence application process. It's quite possible that some of the more socially outcast perpetrators would have struggled to arm themselves in similar circumstances but given the political climate in the US it's also likely that they could acquire arms via strawman purchases.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
It's possible. I had to give two references as part of our licence application process. It's quite possible that some of the more socially outcast perpetrators would have struggled to arm themselves in similar circumstances but given the political climate in the US it's also likely that they could acquire arms via strawman purchases.
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no perfect solutions. But simple laws like these could have saved so many lives.
 
adexkola said:
The proliferation of guns in America means it is highly likely you'll bump into guns in most places.
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That hasn't been my experience. The vast majority of firearms are responsibly stored in gunsafes or lockboxes where you would never see them and kids couldn't get to them.

It's extremely rare to openly encounter a gun unexpectedly in the course of normal daily life. That has only happened to me once in my entire life here.
 
Americano said:
It's extremely rare to openly encounter a gun unexpectedly in the course of normal daily life. That has only happened to me once in my entire life here.
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That may be so, but many people would consider seeing guns for sale in a supermarket extremely unexpected to say the least, let alone actual gun stores that sell the variety they do in the States.
 
langster said:
That may be so, but many people would consider seeing guns for sale in a supermarket extremely unexpected to say the least, let alone actual gun stores that sell the variety they do in the States.
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How would seeing guns in a guns store be unexpected? What supermarkets sell guns? None that I've ever been in. There may be large department stores that sell shotguns and sport weapons but they still observe the laws on waiting periods and buying restrictions.

Despite what you see in the movies, there is no casual attitude about firearms in the USA. I've never been around a gun owner that did not show a great sense of respect for safety and proper protocol, whether hunting or at the shooting range or cleaning a weapon. In fact from a very young age I was trained in proper gun safety by my uncles, father, and grandfather, for years before I ever touched a weapon I heard story after story about what happens to you when you get careless around a gun. And it's that way it is for the vast majority of people, fathers and sons hunting ducks & deer and shooting targets. There is nothing to be uncomfortable about.
 
Americano said:
How would seeing guns in a guns store be unexpected? What supermarkets sell guns? None that I've ever been in. There may be large department stores that sell shotguns and sport weapons but they still observe the laws on waiting periods and buying restrictions.

Despite what you see in the movies, there is no casual attitude about firearms in the USA. I've never been around a gun owner that did not show a great sense of respect for safety and proper protocol, whether hunting or at the shooting range or cleaning a weapon. In fact from a very young age I was trained in proper gun safety by my uncles, father, and grandfather, for years before I ever touched a weapon I heard story after story about what happens to you when you get careless around a gun. And it's that way it is for the vast majority of people, fathers and sons hunting ducks & deer and shooting targets. There is nothing to be uncomfortable about.
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Weren't some Walmart stores stocking assault rifles until earlier in the week?

"Walmart aborts assault rifle sales... to focus on rifles and shotguns."
 
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