It was too stupid to even begin formulating a response.Great reply Rado, but I was expecting you to answer his first question.I can understand why you didn't though.
Gun control
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While I understand what you are trying to say, I can't deny my amusement at being told by English people that we must give up our guns. Just a couple of hundred years too late.
Projecting your own values onto another culture is bound to lead to misunderstanding, and that's why we find your suggestion as ridiculous as you find mine. That's what I'm really trying to communicate. We have our way of life and you have yours. I always thought of English people as having a high regard for tradition and history and principle, and that's what we're getting into here. The very stuff that makes us who we are. You still have that deadly motorcycle race on the Isle Of Man, don't you?
Not everybody's civilized
Ironically your way of life denies a bunch of your own their way of life.
I don't know what this is but surely people volunteer to participate in a presumably dangerous race?
The fact that you just compared voluntary entry to a dangerous motorcycle race to thousands of innocent people being killed by guns makes it pretty obvious that you are incapable of reason, much like many of your countrymen, which is why your laws will not change and why people will continue to die.
You keep dodging the facts and telling yourself that you're on the right side of the debate all you like, but remember this; your love for tradition and culture surrounding guns is costing people's lives.
Exactly, and you have to tailor your laws to deal with the least responsible feckwits in your jurisdiction.
This gun control issue is doing the same, Walmart doesn't sale guns in new jersey, is not easy to get a gun in new jersey and I bet you we have more states with the same laws as New Jersey, but reading some messages I would think we live in a society full of crime, robberies, rapes, etc.
America doesn't have a gun problem though, we're just generalising.
I own guns and like I said before we need changes but not banning guns.
It's actually quite similar, in that innocent spectators are killed and injured by the riders. I've always understood that the race was fiercely traditional and that's why I use it as an example. Where do you draw the line between individual liberty and personal safety? There is no easy answer.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/08/markoliver
those are serious errors. I wonder if it was laziness/arrogance or adrenaline/nerves that caused him to ignore basic gun safety protocols.
Old age, bad luck (a round accidentally left in the gun) or who knows? Keeping the gun and bullets in separate places for safety also probably contributed yet keeping the gun on the top of a wardrobe didn't. Luckily it was just a soft tissue injury to the outer thigh. Nothing vital hit.
They are now selling the farm. Their kids have wanted them to sell for ages but not like this.
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On those numbers we have terrorist attacks, people killed by police and killing by self defense, can you say the same about the countries on that list?
America doesn't have a gun problem though, we're just generalising.
Because that would get in the way of your hobby, right? To hell with the number of people dying.
Unless you're suggesting that the people killed by guns had attended fire fights in full knowledge of the potential risks then you have absolutely no point. It's a stupid comparison.
If you take away the guns, then people can't get shot. It's really that simple.
Some people like guns, and I can understand that completely, but that needs to take a back seat when we're talking about thousands and thousands of people dying every year.
I can't find anything more recent than April so it'll be even worse by now, but it April there had been 82,033 gun deaths since Sandy Hook.
That is less than 2.5 years.
America's watershed moment has gone, as a country you've decided that your fondness for firearms is more important than people's lives.
That's fecked up.
Sure you don't like anything that show UK is more violent than the US, but guess what I live safer here than any of you in UK, besides the crazy bastards who kills to make "history" most of the murders are between gang members which most the people won't give a fecking fly about it.
haha
Driving small cramped cars causes people to become violent, I've heard it all now.
Indeed. The whole thing is a misleading pile of shite anyway, as proved in @senorgregster's link.
Indeed. The whole thing is a misleading pile of shite anyway, as proved in @senorgregster's link.
Driving small cramped cars causes people to become violent, I've heard it all now.
Indeed. The whole thing is a misleading pile of shite anyway, as proved in @senorgregster's link.
Last time he provided stats like that, it had the UK full of con artists or something with the USA having near zero. How that relates to guns I don't know.
Many crimes are terribly underreported here in the US.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/rape-study-report-america-us_n_4310765.html
Now, perhaps the same underreporting goes on in the UK but it shows how little you can compare countries which have different methods.
I agree, especially with the last part. It's a pointless argument anyway. I can't get my head around it at all, especially not after Sandy Hook. Little children and their teachers, killed at school where they should be safe and still nothing changes. Then you get the imbeciles saying that teachers should be armed to prevent more incidents like this. Two reporters shot on live TV and the same morons say they should arm reporters. You just know if a mass shooting happened in a Hospital they would be calling for Doctors and Nurses to be armed too. Where would it end? The people saying shit like that really would be all for everyone being armed all the time.
Again, all summed up perfectly in @Wibble's post.
I can see we have a couple of the 10% that would get extremely angry watching it.
To be fair it's typical for farmers to leave a round in the chamber and not generally frowned upon due to their circumstances.
You're probably right about old age being a contributing factor, though. Glad the old dear is ok.
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The didn't leave a round in the chamber normally. She is very lucky. At her age especially. Hit a thigh bone and you don't walk again even if you don't bleed to death. And of course it could have hit her in the head, heart, another vital organ or an artery.
https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com
Also, I can't get my head around those causes for crime, surely surely surely that's a joke?
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Also, I can't get my head around those causes for crime, surely surely surely that's a joke?
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Several bullets flying around some neighborhood possibly killing anyone because he didn't want to lose his sunglasses.... "responsible"
Got my firearms insurance renewal in the post today.. they send you this
It's a different story in states where one is allowed to carry, of course.
It's about what's safe and what isn't.... most of the things on that list are perfectly legal, just not a very good idea.
Driving around with a loaded pistol in your car isn't responsible, regardless of what his mummy says and regardless of what country you're in, IMO.
We also have very few gun deaths in Ireland.
I went fox hunting one night with a farmer who put a loaded shotgun in the back of the jeep. Words were had, and he accused me of being over dramatic.
Later that night he got us lost in the woods, in the dark... then the bulbs in the lamps died because he hadn't charged them fully.
Needless to say, I didn't repeat the experience.
Later that night he got us lost in the woods, in the dark... then the bulbs in the lamps died because he hadn't charged them fully.
Needless to say, I didn't repeat the experience.
Got my firearms insurance renewal in the post today.. they send you this
Not commenting on whether it makes sense (IMO it doesn't, factoring in possible road rage, theft), but one can legally carry firearms in a vehicle in many states in the US.
Maybe they were RayBans
One can legally shove a red hot poker up ones arse too... generally not a good idea though.
If that were the case I would understand, I might take someone's life if they tried to take my RayBans. Guess a little more investigation should be done and I should reserve my judgement.
Sure, but this is the United States we're talking about. Safe and guns go together like gays and church there.
Which, in a nutshell, is why they need tighter control.
I've said it before, plastic feckin sporks should be all they are allowed to carry in public. Or anywhere.
It's odd to me that a country with such intense focus on the individual lacks a culture of personal responsibility.