Gun control

Planes would be weird as they are private property, and as such I would assume the owners can dictate.

It's almost as though you believe in 'Murica. Just fleetingly, but the the sliver of hope is still there. Good on you.
 
Is anyone carrying reports on injuries related to falling bullets in the last 24 hours? Surely there can't have been none?
 
Is anyone carrying reports on injuries related to falling bullets in the last 24 hours? Surely there can't have been none?
If not injuries (hopefully there were none), there has to be some property damage from returning rounds.
 
If not injuries (hopefully there were none), there has to be some property damage from returning rounds.

Yep exactly, but these will be harder to report on. Mainly because the majority of people (probably gun owners) won't report them. Gun shot wounds by law have to be reported, right?
 
Yep exactly, but these will be harder to report on. Mainly because the majority of people (probably gun owners) won't report them. Gun shot wounds by law have to be reported, right?
Believe so when the victim receives medical treatment.
 
Just goes to show why all teachers should be armed, she could have shot the 6 year old first and the problem would have been avoided.
 
What kind of environment is this child living in to:
1. Have access to a gun
2. Know how to operate a firearm.
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What kind of environment is this child living in to:
1. Have access to a gun
2. Know how to operate a firearm.

To be fair, guns are generally simple to operate. It's the easy access to guns in the US that contributes heavily to things like this (shootings by young kids).

I'd assume it was left lying around hot at home and he brought it in but I would not be surprised if he was able to buy or otherwise acquire his own, either.
 
Now what liberals? I doubt a 6 year old has much on his record, so it’s not as if background checks would have stopped this one.

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Just goes to show why all teachers should be armed, she could have shot the 6 year old first and the problem would have been avoided.

You say arm the teachers. I say arm the other six year olds.
 
I visited the US in 2000. Was around Boston most of the time, then a couple of nights in New Jersey. A few hours in New York, still one of the most wonderful memories of my life was coming out on the WTC subway station, on a cloudy day, our group all impressed with buildings in front of us, then looking behind us mesmerized by the twin towers disappearing into the clouds/fog, we couldn't see the top. What a wonderful experience it was. Quite a few of is had never even left our homeland so there was some Crocodille Dundee feeling on that trip.

I don't think I would go today. There's a mix of anxiety (I've never seen a firearm exceot in the hands of cops of military), but also some kind of moral disdain for what that country has become these days.

I wish I could see it improve in my lifetime, and reconsider that thought, but I'm not betting on it.
 
Could go in a couple of threads, I’m lazy so it’s in here…


I remember watching a video like this years ago, on a much larger place, where what seemed like two hardened dudes doing an armed robbery, then an old man shaking from head to bottom with a potato gun comes shooting out of the blue. Scared the shit out of the robbers who ran away, no one got hurt. This wasn't a youtube video, but rather some news segment on TV and they, and basically the rest was the old guy being condecorated as a hero on some official ceremony.

Unbearable stupidity. A nearly over smooth job with a potential to turn into deaths, or a tense and lenghty hostsge situation, etc... All because of some 85 year old with arthritis.

They just don't understand. Or rather, don't care.
 
Now what liberals? I doubt a 6 year old has much on his record, so it’s not as if background checks would have stopped this one.

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It might have stopped his irresponsible parents (or other adult) from leaving it where a 6 year old could get it
 
I visited the US in 2000. Was around Boston most of the time, then a couple of nights in New Jersey. A few hours in New York, still one of the most wonderful memories of my life was coming out on the WTC subway station, on a cloudy day, our group all impressed with buildings in front of us, then looking behind us mesmerized by the twin towers disappearing into the clouds/fog, we couldn't see the top. What a wonderful experience it was. Quite a few of is had never even left our homeland so there was some Crocodille Dundee feeling on that trip.

I don't think I would go today. There's a mix of anxiety (I've never seen a firearm exceot in the hands of cops of military), but also some kind of moral disdain for what that country has become these days.

I wish I could see it improve in my lifetime, and reconsider that thought, but I'm not betting on it.

The country is safer than 2000 overall. All the negative stuff you hear on the news now existed back then as well, in fact even worse.

Also the chance of you seeing a firearm with a civilian in the places you did visit are extremely low. Again, lower than it would be in 2000. Just putting things into perspective
 
The country is safer than 2000 overall. All the negative stuff you hear on the news now existed back then as well, in fact even worse.

Also the chance of you seeing a firearm with a civilian in the places you did visit are extremely low. Again, lower than it would be in 2000. Just putting things into perspective
I imagined as such, I understand media explosion plays a role in the perspective. That said, if I knew then what I know now, it would have partly ruined the trip (I know myself). Ignorance is bliss, I just was far less aware of the violent culture of the country than I am now.
 
I imagined as such, I understand media explosion plays a role in the perspective. That said, if I knew then what I know now, it would have partly ruined the trip (I know myself). Ignorance is bliss, I just was far less aware of the violent culture of the country than I am now.

Fair enough. It’s a massive country the size of a continent with a lot of different pockets and polarized set of people. Where you go and what you do will shape your experience
 
The country is safer than 2000 overall. All the negative stuff you hear on the news now existed back then as well, in fact even worse.

Also the chance of you seeing a firearm with a civilian in the places you did visit are extremely low. Again, lower than it would be in 2000. Just putting things into perspective

I don't think it was worse, just with social media it gets spread more quickly

As for seeing civilians - rural America is where you're most likely to see them, and even then it's still unlikely
 
I don't think it was worse, just with social media it gets spread more quickly

As for seeing civilians - rural America is where you're most likely to see them, and even then it's still unlikely
I would echo this. I have lived in AL, WI, and now NC. All states where guns are prevalent, but I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a gun in public not on an LE officer. Even now in “rural” NC I have yet to see one. Hear them yes, but not see.
 
It is never going to change. Never. This country is sick. Any person that owns a handgun is in part responsible for this. I know people don’t want to hear that, even some of our friends on here as I would wager there are dozens of gun owners. But I’m sorry, you ARE. Your purchase of that gun, and the ammo for it, drives continued demand and funds lobbyists. And don’t give me any of that “I need to protect myself” fecking bullshit. Homicide ranks far down the list of causes of death for adults (not kids though, your favorite little metal death machine is now winning!! Hooray for you!). You care so much about dying? Well, how many gun owners take that much care to prevent heart and liver disease? Better not drink alcohol or eat unhealthy, right gun owners? That would be hypocritical since we’ve established you care so much about your health. Cancer? I bet you all get continuously checked for every bio marker, right? After all, your safety is super important to you. Unintentional injury is the leading cause of death, so I bet all gun owners take extreme care in everything they do. Right?

Whatever, feck you all. Every dead child and adult is on you. If that makes you feel bad how about you imagine what that teacher is feeling. Or the Uvalde kids (oh wait, they fecking died), or the Parkland kids (nope, dead too), Sandy Hook (also dead). Your continued infatuation with an instrument whose SOLE purpose is death is sick, and until you acknowledge that you have no right to ever feel anything but apathy when these stories arise. You don’t get to feel bad, or angry, or sad. Those emotions are reserved for the victims and bystanders, not the perpetrators and their enablers.
 
It is never going to change. Never. This country is sick. Any person that owns a handgun is in part responsible for this. I know people don’t want to hear that, even some of our friends on here as I would wager there are dozens of gun owners. But I’m sorry, you ARE. Your purchase of that gun, and the ammo for it, drives continued demand and funds lobbyists. And don’t give me any of that “I need to protect myself” fecking bullshit. Homicide ranks far down the list of causes of death for adults (not kids though, your favorite little metal death machine is now winning!! Hooray for you!). You care so much about dying? Well, how many gun owners take that much care to prevent heart and liver disease? Better not drink alcohol or eat unhealthy, right gun owners? That would be hypocritical since we’ve established you care so much about your health. Cancer? I bet you all get continuously checked for every bio marker, right? After all, your safety is super important to you. Unintentional injury is the leading cause of death, so I bet all gun owners take extreme care in everything they do. Right?

Whatever, feck you all. Every dead child and adult is on you. If that makes you feel bad how about you imagine what that teacher is feeling. Or the Uvalde kids (oh wait, they fecking died), or the Parkland kids (nope, dead too), Sandy Hook (also dead). Your continued infatuation with an instrument whose SOLE purpose is death is sick, and until you acknowledge that you have no right to ever feel anything but apathy when these stories arise. You don’t get to feel bad, or angry, or sad. Those emotions are reserved for the victims and bystanders, not the perpetrators and their enablers.
Hear hear