Gun control
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That one's going to the Supreme Court
And the outcome will unfortunately be the same.
Probably, there is some precedence in this case apparently so we'll see
So did Roe.
But Drag Queens are groomers, right?
that's strange, it's an indian (far-right, pro-govt) news channel's website.
True but in this particular case it's to do with the Bruen rule which has been used for interpretation of the gun laws and there's possibly a precedent with that, I forget the exact details though
far right pro-Gov - that doesn't sound right
what if <x-files theme> the govt is far-right <x-files theme>
Yeah but X-Files was fiction, bit like Trump telling everyone he won the last election!
...i'm talking about the indian govt
Ah OK - the one that has nukes and is involved in the space race whilst half the population lives in abject poverty
Make guns a single issue and we will see gun laws in a couple of election cycles.
the people who want some gun legislation don’t care about it enough to make it a single issue. That’s the natural disadvantage the left has. For us, a multitude of issues are priorities. But for the right in America, all a candidate needs to do is shout guns and bible.
the people who want some gun legislation don’t care about it enough to make it a single issue. That’s the natural disadvantage the left has. For us, a multitude of issues are priorities. But for the right in America, all a candidate needs to do is shout guns and bible.
Don't forget all the 'baby murder.'
Doesn't matter, the Supreme Court will toss out virtually all legislation regarding guns
I wonder why marijuana users can't own guns 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-owning-guns-is-unconstitutional-judge-rules
A federal judge in Oklahoma has ruled that a federal law prohibiting people who use marijuana from owning firearms is unconstitutional, the latest challenge to firearms regulations after the conservative-dominated US supreme court set new standards for reviewing gun laws.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-owning-guns-is-unconstitutional-judge-rules
A federal judge in Oklahoma has ruled that a federal law prohibiting people who use marijuana from owning firearms is unconstitutional, the latest challenge to firearms regulations after the conservative-dominated US supreme court set new standards for reviewing gun laws.
So it turns out guns actually DO kill people... Who'd have thunk it?
One of my favourite Youtubers - an American family living in Germany (a lot or their videos are very informative!)
Oof. Skip to the last minute or so if you don't want to watch the whole clip. Walks right into it.
Wish that had gone on one minute longer.
The flaw in Jon's gotcha is that this guy almost assuredly wants to infringe on the voting rights of people and also really doesn't give a flying feck about a child*
*child in this case refers to an actual child and not a 4 week old clump of cells, because those are absolutely sacred.
*child in this case refers to an actual child and not a 4 week old clump of cells, because those are absolutely sacred.
Oof. Skip to the last minute or so if you don't want to watch the whole clip. Walks right into it.
I could listen to John Stewart and these debates until the cows come home. He’s just an absolute master of his art.
The difference between gun owners and non gun owners can be summed up at 7:40, you can see Jon visceral anger when talking abpu guns being the number one cause of death in children and the feckwad could literally give no fecks. Gun owners don't care if children die, its just the cost they are willing to let children pay so they can have their toys.
By the way, still just so amazed that I have found the most safe place on the internet as apparently, we have no gun owners on this site. Surely if we did some of them would at least try to make an attempt to argue why owning a gun is a fine and normal thing to do, but no one has. So, we either have cowards in our midst or no gun owners.
There are gun owners here but the sensible ones. At least the ones i read. There might be non sensitive ones that at least they are smart enough to shut up
Gun ownership is not a problem. Everybody has its hobbies. Non regulation is the problem
I've advocated on many occasions for the US to implement safe storage regulations to keep kids from finding a loaded gun under a bed, pillow or in a drawer and accidentally shooting themselves or another kid. So I don't agree with your black and white stance on the difference between gun owners and non-gun owners. It's the very least that should be done and doesn't infringe on the 2nd because you can still keep arms when they're in a safe or locked cabinet and stashing them under your pillow isn't bearing them. Outside of hunting or wilderness protection, carrying them around in public is generally stupid, too.
Owning a gun is fine and a normal thing in most places but not in the US. In the US it's become some weird ideological battleground where proponents of gun rights actively resist any attempt at controlling access to firearms by people who should not have them (kids, wackos, etc) in the name of liberty, actively ignoring that life is referenced before liberty in that stupid fecking sacred text they keep banging on about.
Americans don't deserve their 2nd amendment rights as they've shown themselves to be completely incapable of treating something as potentially dangerous as a gun with the respect and responsibility required. In a just world, they'd end up under an excessively restrictive system of gun control like Australia's and spend the rest of their days lamenting what they've lost.
you’re right in the sense that Americans do not deserve their 2A rights, but I would argue that the case extends beyond America to our species in general. Guns are unique amongst regularly owned human inventions in that they exist solely to kill. That’s it. There is no other function they can serve.
Beyond that I would argue that even responsible owners, and yes I know people who are incredibly responsible, are part of the overall problem. For every round you buy, every extra gun you buy, you are contributing to an industry that grows every time a child is killed. That lobbies aggressively not just for no new gun laws, but for making it easier for more and more guns to flood our streets. If there was a PAC whose platform was to lobby for open, permitless carry on school grounds would you contribute to it? The answer to that can’t be no because if you spend any money on ammo/guns you are!
I am black and white on this. Columbine happened when I was in school. 2 classmates died by guns before I was 19. My sister in law missed being in the middle of a mall mass shooting only because she skipped her coffee meetup with a friend after working a double ER shift. After Sandy Hook my mom, a teacher, was issued a bullet proof vest and trained in gun wound first aid children. That is just me and I would venture every single American has been touched in some way by gun violence. Guns are the problem. People are the problem. Only one of those can be removed from the equation.
This is wrong. Owning a tool of death is not a hobby, it is a willful choice to support the murder of children.
I don't want 2A rights mate. I live in a sensible country that recognizes keeping people safe comes first and as a result has implemented effective gun control despite opposition from gun owners.
Also, our footprint on the US market is so small that American companies rarely, if ever, do special things to get their products into the Canadian market because there's no money in it for them. Please don't put the blame for your country's negligence onto me.
Of course the blame does not fall on you, it falls on the industry that pours money into lobbyists and groups to advocate for death. What I am saying is that the choice to give your money to that industry is a choice to, in some small way, fund those efforts.
I’ll put it another way. I think most of us on here are United fans, and most of us are not fans of the glazers and want them gone. However, by purchasing a shirt, or subscribing to MUTV, or whatever, we are putting money in their pocket. That is a choice we have made, that supporting the team is worth contributing to them. If the entire fanbase enacted a boycott tomorrow do you think things would change? Similarly, if every gun owner tomorrow said they would make no further purchases until the laws were changed, don’t you think things might change? As long as it remains business as usual for the gun industry it will remain death as usual for children in this country.
That's fair but I'd say the onus is on Americans more than anyone else to affect that change in such a fashion.
Plus I try to buy Czech made ammo whenever possible.
And my last gun, which may be the last one I ever acquire, was from a Swiss company.
Thank you for the good conversation. Obviously we disagree on guns, and I will admit that my view is pretty extreme and is shaped by my own life experiences. I used to believe in the idea that, eventually, something had to give. Sandy Hook shattered that belief, Parkland ground it to dust, and Uvalde scattered it to the wind. Nothing will change. Things will get worse. Thousands more children will die. And the ones who could stop it? The politicians, leaders, etc? They will not care enough to put aside their selfishness and ambition to even try.And my last gun, which may be the last one I ever acquire, was from a Swiss company.
It's a shirty situation to see the same tragedies over and over. We used to have a lot of accidental or suicide related gun deaths here but once you were required (in most cases) to keep you guns locked up they pretty much went away. It's such a minor inconvenience for 2A weirdos with the payoff of hundreds of even thousands of kids not dying that when you say they simply don't care it's 100% true.
I dont want to see a gun near me im my life. Nor use it but people like to go to shooting ranges and hunting ( which i dont like either) but what you like is different to what you like. Well regulated, traceable, background checks, proof of training and to use for certain purposes shouldnt be a problem. Switzerland and japan as example