Gun control

Emma Gonzales is pretty amazing.

The image of her standing silent for 6 minutes with tears in her eyes is instantly iconic.
 
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Traitors, brainwashed or paid Democrat pawns according to the opposition NRA & gun loving morons.

The beating and abuse they are taking from some is just disgraceful.


to alot of folks on the right they are "crisis actors"...they said the same thing about the families of Sandy Hook
 
Hope those of voting age are just as passionate come November.Only way anything will get done.
 
Yeah that was powerful stuff

She’s almost too perfect and powerful a symbol of resistance in the age of the Trump. A spunky, brazen, super articulate, telegenic shaven headed Latina girl - You genuinely couldn’t have written it any better.

Which is more the worry. She’s just a child, that’s had greatness thrust upon her in the worst circumstances. The Right will be desperate to tear her down, and the Left will elevate her to an ideal she can’t possibly live up to. All whilst she should be entering that all too brief period of life when you’re allowed to be young, dumb and irresponsible.

You can already see the Breitbart headlines when she’s caught doing drugs at college through a telephoto lens in a tree, or embracing some dumb new teenage fad.
 


This is the shit these kids have to deal with.

Everyone attacking them recently because young Mr Hogg went on a profanity laced rant against the NRA. What do you expect? He survived a school shooting and saw classmates die. Attended their funerals and then was thrust in to the public spotlight because he is more sensible and rational about gun control than many of his countrymen and women.

Then he is taken around the country featuring on every TV show and then sent countless death threats and is accused of being a crisis actor and even attacked by politicians. So he gets upset and lets off steam. He's a child that has experienced something no child should ever have to experience, especially in a So called civilised country. Now he and his classmates are subjected to this bullshit as well?

This shit needs to end and adults and responsible people with intelligence and empathy, hearts and souls need to take back their country and need to rid it of the dangerous diseases like the NRA and the dumbass membership who support their actions against traumatised children.

/rant over.
 
I hope the NRA, in some future time, can look back on this day as the moment they lost their grip. Emma Gonzalez is fantastic, echo Mockney's fears about what might lie in store for her. But then she's stronger than most.

https://pitchfork.com/news/killer-mike-defends-gun-ownership-in-new-nra-video/amp/

Probably shouldn't be surprised that a man named Killer Mike would be pro-guns but here we are.
Wait whaaat, he was a Bernie guy 2 years back, what happened to him?
 
The NRA seem as classless as Trump in their public statements...which takes some doing.
 
The NRA seem as classless as Trump in their public statements...which takes some doing.

They’re trying to bully them. It’s that simple. They want death threats sent their way and they want it to silence them.

I just don’t see it happening with these kids, they’ve got the bit between their teeth and they’re having a huge influence. The worst has already happened to them, some old white men calling them names is only going to motivate them.
 
Where does the belief actually come from that the 2nd amendmend is to protect oneself against state tyranny? I'm fairly certain this is not what the law says or implies.

I mean leaving aside the fact for a minute that tyranny by the state would certainly not manifest itself in the form of two hostile state police officers coming to your house to shoot you down and therefore you need a gun available to protect yourself -- do you think George Washington, you know the guy who drafted the Constitution, raised an army to fight down the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 with the perpetrators being sentenced to death because he believed the 2nd amendment meant that people had the right to oppose the government by armed force?

There can be no law that allows its citizens to use armed force against state authority due to feeling "tyrannized".

Is it "tyranny by the government" that Trump wants to ban Transgender from the military or mocks the media ever day?
 
Wait whaaat, he was a Bernie guy 2 years back, what happened to him?

Nothing. There was always a large anti-establishment, libertarian loon crossover between Bernie & Trump voters. The idea the Bernie Bros revolution was some new vanguard of progressive leftism vanished the second a sizeable chunk of them forfeited the election to a Reality TV Fascist in an ideological strop.
 
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Where does the belief actually come from that the 2nd amendmend is to protect oneself against state tyranny? I'm fairly certain this is not what the law says or implies.

I mean leaving aside the fact for a minute that tyranny by the state would certainly not manifest itself in the form of two hostile state police officers coming to your house to shoot you down and therefore you need a gun available to protect yourself -- do you think George Washington, you know the guy who drafted the Constitution, raised an army to fight down the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 with the perpetrators being sentenced to death because he believed the 2nd amendment meant that people had the right to oppose the government by armed force?

There can be no law that allows its citizens to use armed force against state authority due to feeling "tyrannized".

Is it "tyranny by the government" that Trump wants to ban Transgender from the military or mocks the media ever day?

One of the biggest ironies about the 'tyranny by state' mob is that they simultaneously also tend to be the exact same people who support the military in any situation whatsoever. So if there's any situation where the US military is ever going to be positioned against the citizenry (barmy as it may sound), then the NRA types are probably much more likely to be on the military's side than that of their fellow citizens. Either they're too dumb to recognise that or are fully aware of the irony and pretend it doesn't exist to bolster their own arguments.
 
Where does the belief actually come from that the 2nd amendmend is to protect oneself against state tyranny? I'm fairly certain this is not what the law says or implies.
Historical context. The Anti-Federalists demanded a Bill of Rights in order to get their votes to ratify the Constitution. They were fearful of tyrannical government and of standing armies, like the one they’d just defeated in the Revolution and instead favored militias recruited ad hoc from the local populace, which is why for much of America’s history the actual federal military was quite small. The 2nd Amendment would ensure that this was always feasible, leading to an armed, trained population that could defend and defeat the smaller federal military if necessary.
 
Not sure where this entire movement is going. They are obviously not going to ban AR15s and there are already about 3-4 million of them owned by legal owners who aren't going to give them back.
 
Not sure where this entire movement is going. They are obviously not going to ban AR15s and there are already about 3-4 million of them owned by legal owners who aren't going to give them back.

They should be focusing on two very achievable and logical first steps - removing all private seller loopholes thus enabling universal background checks. And then installing a registry of all gun sales nation wide that can be cross referenced to mental health and criminal records.

Start with the low hanging fruit IMO which are the two above measures. No banning of anything. Just installing an infrastructure that can enable law enforcement and mental health professionals.
 
They should be focusing on two very achievable and logical first steps - removing all private seller loopholes thus enabling universal background checks. And then installing a registry of all gun sales nation wide that can be cross referenced to mental health and criminal records.

Start with the low hanging fruit IMO which are the two above measures. No banning of anything. Just installing an infrastructure that can enable law enforcement and mental health professionals.

That's definitely a realistic thing that can be done. They should also move the minimum age from 18 to 21 at the federal level.
 
The Government won't pivot on gun control, that's for sure.

Both sides are on the gun control debate are being a bit disingenuous. Those advocating for more gun control should just come out and say that they want to have a look at the 2nd amendment, instead of delicately tapdancing around the issue by going after one style of one weapon.