Gun control
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Sorry, did I say something different?
Blaming this stuff was an argument that was settled in the early 90s when parents of suicidal teens tried to blame heavy metal music for their deaths. It was a pretty landmark court decision. They should know better.
Stop thinking about the armed guards, that's also missing the point.The point is security at schools is lacking, there are more ways to increase it than simply armed guards or police officers. It's sad that people can't see this. It's an opportunity to engage in open dialogue with the NRA, once you start talking it's possible to change their opinion on who should have access to firearms, who should not and maybe even what type of firearms.
A ban on semi-autos is unreasonable, with the exception of full auto or burst fire, the action is irrelevant. With a little practice you can fire a bolt action, pump action or lever action rifle with virtually the same speed as a semi-auto. Limiting magazine capacity is reasonable because it's feasible, they are easily pinned but what do you do about the thousands of high capacity magazines out there already? The best path is limiting access to firearms through licencing but as that goes against the very raison d'etre of the NRA they'll never support it. Tough for them, I guess. I'd be impressed to see Obama attempt something like that, it's not like he can go for another term anyway.
the NRA have one motive. to make as much money for gun manufacturers as possible. They have no scruples.pointless engaging them in any dialogue. Buy back program for weapons already out there...and prison after that if you are caught with it.Licensing..I agree with. and keeping weapons under lock and key.
A national referandom to this effect needs to be on the ballot.
It still boils down to more guns to solve the gun problems.
Anyone who thinks that is in any way logical, should really fail a mental health test and be banned from owning one for a start.
Anyone who thinks that is in any way logical, should really fail a mental health test and be banned from owning one for a start.
Interesting that, have always thought that the USA would be the worst place to be a house robber.
I wonder what the stats are compared to similar western nations without guns?
I have no idea by the way, I just presume it would be lower because of the gun deterrent.
Maybe, but that's from our perspective. I'd imagine it's much less frightening if you have a gun yourself and the element of surprise.
It's still more guns to fight guns though. Obviously it's a deep routed problem in America, but if it's to be even partially solved, it has to start somewhere.
I see the Russians have banned yanks from adopting their children.
If that doesn't make sense I don't know what does.
If that doesn't make sense I don't know what does.
True, but surprisingly (quick google) shows crime has fallen massively in the USA over the last twenty years, including murder believe it or not. Strange.
The NRA have proposed that every school has an armed guard. Kinell.
A tiny fraction of gun violence is in these shooting sprees. It's usually one or two people who are killed in domestic disputes or crime-related violence (drugs, robbery, gangs, etc). That is what we need to look at more than the small number of mass shootings that make the national news. It's not as interesting when the people dying are the poor or minorities. Black on black crime in general sees minimal media coverage. Small children, pretty white girls, and mass murderers draw too much attention from what is the largets part of gun violence in the US.
Yes, I would imagine exactly the same thing. But so what? If we all strapped chainsaws to our heads no one would ever get mugged, and if we gave our children exploding chastity belts the number of child abductions would go down.
Columbine had an armed guard
Not sure if he had a chainsaw strapped to his head or not.
I think the most sensible way to be safe and free in America is to spend all day every day spinning around on your front lawn whilst brandishing a scimitar like an evil whirling dervish. No one would ever mess with you, or break in, and you'd be safe...and free.
Admittedly you'd never contribute anything to society and be a danger to everyone around you. But you'd be safe....and free.
'Merica.
Admittedly you'd never contribute anything to society and be a danger to everyone around you. But you'd be safe....and free.
'Merica.
It's all about Freem 'n' Moxy, like what we gave to that Iraq.
Do you not mean Arabia?
iRak
rich white yanks like shooting people and having guns to kill folks with, it's nothing new, the U.S.A was founded on genocide and it's middle classes and elites remain genocidal today.
it's true, they invade nations all the time to kill kids there and then they arm every moronic yokel in their own backyard to do the same there.
That stuff happens in war. We can talk about whether most of the wars were justified (they weren't) but calling it a genocide is just false.
it's not far off it...and if you take all the actions of the U.S.A overseas then it's very much tantamount to genocide against the human race.
It is far off of it. Very far. Do you understand the meaning of the word genocide?
half a million dead in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You haven't answered the question.
your kidding right? killing half a million people doesn't constitute genocide to you? feck me.
It constitutes war, a war that shouldn't have been fought and was executed horribly. Not genocide. Invest in a dictionary.
Do you remember Yugoslavia?
they deliberately only intervened after overwhelming pressure...and their own intervention killed plenty of people as well...you honestly think that the U.S.A would have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan where they full of white christians? if you do you are barmy.
If you phoned the police when a shooting starts, they'll get there pretty damn quick. But much like any potential guard stationed at the school, they're not going to risk their lives trying to confront a gun man. Unless they happen to be in the same room at the same time it starts, armed with the gun, it's highly unlikely a guard would risk their life trying to find the shooter. There were police surrounding the school in the Columbine shootings after all. This of course disregards the fact that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would just shoot the guard first.
Even then, who's stopping the guards going mad and shooting up the school?
This is basically the NRA's suggestion to solving the problem. We're sending in more guns!
Look, the USA, like many superpowers throughout history, has taken an active role in foreign affairs when they believe it benefits their interests. The thought that goes into deciding whether a particular action is in the best interest of a superpower often includes cultural compatibility with affected peoples. The USA is hardly the first superpower to do such a thing. That said, Serbia has lots of white Christians but that didn't prevent bombs from falling there. Unjust wars aren't genocide and calling them such takes away from actual cases of genocide.
Eboue is right, American is foreign policy is self interested cuntishness but calling it genocide is pushing it.
well, if you want to be pedantic about it then technically there has not ever been an actual "genocide"
So you'd equate the Iraq war with the genocide in Rwanda?
Stop being a melodramatic nob.
up yours mate.
genocide.Give over.
I'd calm down a bit if I were you.
You said something stupid and been pulled up on it, let's let it end there.
This will open your eyes up just a tadge about genocides. You seem to have some sort of agenda against the white population re: "old white racists in the FA...
. I cannot believe you have forgotten about Rwanda of all places where a genocide actually occured. I also forgot that just because I criticised Desailly, you called me Big Ron. That is for another thread though. Since you need to learn about what happens in a genocide, then I suggest you read this, it will open your eyes and you will learn that genocide of any form isn't just a "White Christian", thing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
Columbine also had armed security of their own.
One of whom got into a fire fight with Eric Harris before he actually got inside the building. Thats a trained law enforcement officer, he didnt hit harris , the idea that a gun toting dinner lady will do better when the other guy is a) expecting to die anyway and has no fear, and b) firing back is nonsense.
The columbine guys killed themselves, despite 2 armed guards on site, and around 50 police turning up during the incident.Its like the NRA expects people to simply ignore the reality of what has actually happened in the past and suck up the fantasy version they want to tell.
Brilliant comedy on this page.