They just say smaller populations and the fact the UK and Oz are islands so it wouldn't work because blah blah blah....
Gun control
- Thread starter ukbob
- Start date
They just say smaller populations and the fact the UK and Oz are islands so it wouldn't work because blah blah blah....
This is not a redneck or uneducated person we are talking about. He is very well educated and well rounded individual. He is actually a good friend and great guy to hang out with. I knew we had slightly different views on gun laws and ownership but I am struggling with that post.
(May have somehow posted this in the Russia thread initially...)
Stay friends and discuss, the only way for anything to change is for two sides of an argument to understand eachother and hopefully find a middle.
very special man
That is statistically true across the broad range of current gun owners in the US, but not necessarily true for each individual gun owner - it is in fact an argument for strictly controlling the sale of guns to those people who are demonstrably qualified to own them. There's also nothing irrational about thinking oneself to be well-trained and psychologically normal, if indeed one is.
Acquiring a licence to purchase firearms should be analogous to obtaining a driver's licence or a pilot's licence - it should be contingent on the individual undergoing numerous hours of rigorous training in the use, maintenance and storage of guns, and demonstrating a sufficient level of competence.
Some people will fail to meet this criteria - those people should be prohibited from purchasing a gun (as should those with criminal records or mental health problems). As an outsider, this seems to me to be a rational way for the US to proceed.
True, to be fair these are people whose strongest arguments are based around the fantasy that their government will turn tyrannical and they will turn into Rambo and save the world. Completely ignoring the fact that their government has access to nuclear weapons and drones.
Oh and it is unacceptable to change amendments or something.
The militia argument is the most hilarious indeed. Good luck with those ARs against M1 Abrams tanks , artillery and SS missiles.
The irony is that the entire American continent would be a damn sight safer if the USA didn't have the lax laws and lax attitude towards guns that they do. The majority of guns south of the border were legal purchases from American dealers that made their way south or were sold by the American Government to central and south American countries and naturally made their way into the wrong hands.
if he feels like that then I'm sure he will welcome lots of people open carrying semi-automatics at his next meeting...I wonder!
He's literally trolling kids who saw their friends killed because for the policies he supports. Calling him scum is an insult to scum.
Close the private seller loophole (which is clearly a major problem from what I read)
Ban guns from anyone with domestic violence convictions or restraining orders (looks like one of the biggest predictors of continued violence gun or otherwise so very likely)
Enforce a national gun registry that mandates every single gun sold in the country be added to the database.
Extremely harsh monetary fines for anyone caught not complying with this.
On second or third violations of the above, the citizen then loses any legal rights to firearms (since they can't follow the rules)
Increase the penalty for all illegal gun violations
Tell people that these teens are being used as puppets, by people who are trying to make America unsafe place by taking away guns.
Instilling fear in people always works. Ask silly questions like
- How can teens speak about something they have no expertise about
- Teens have low understanding of the gravity of the situation
And all such kind of stuff.
Instilling fear in people always works. Ask silly questions like
- How can teens speak about something they have no expertise about
- Teens have low understanding of the gravity of the situation
And all such kind of stuff.
at second tweetHe's SO CLOSE to getting it!
The federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004? So that means fully automatic guns are legal in USA?
That means bump stocks are not needed to convert semi automatics into automatic rifles. So the proposed ban on bump stocks is just a smoke screen? Practically useless?
That means bump stocks are not needed to convert semi automatics into automatic rifles. So the proposed ban on bump stocks is just a smoke screen? Practically useless?
No only semi-automatics allowed.
Ah okay. Was confused because some states don't have laws regarding automatic weapons. Didn't know what the federal law was.
So then yeah, if the US federal government bans bump stocks, then semi automatic rifles cannot be converted to fire more rounds per minute on par with automatics. Will at least be some improvement.
With incremental changes they should then ban all weapons apart from hunting guns, small pistols and some of those long barrelled guns used for hunting game.
Only one mass shooter used a bump stock. You can fire very fast with semi-auto. Even my Beretta sporting clay shotgun can bang out four rounds a second
Wow. That's a lot. But obviously shotguns can hold only about 4-6 rounds at a time right? It'll have to be reloaded after that. So it's not preferred by military and people who want to carry out a mass shooting.
AR 15s and those types need to be banned. No civilian needs those guns. Bonkers.
You can actually get drums and magazines for shotguns that hold 25-50 shells. One 12 gauge shell with birdshot is as devastating as four 9mm rounds under 20 feet. Someone with a high capacity shotgun could do as much damage as an AR15 inside a building and with group targets.
Come on now, as previously discussed, fully automatic are not illegal but very difficult to obtain.
But these high capacity magazines are banned in most US states, I take it? Or legal and widely available? Revolvers seem alright, single and double barrelled, less dangerous. But these shotguns with high capacity magazines can be dangerous.
There's high discrepany between states which is a major problem. Some states have very lax gun laws.
A ban on bump stocks (which can increase rates of fire to more than 10 rounds per second) and limits on magazine capacities (10 rounds or fewer) would seem to be logical steps to take.
I don't think there are any laws preventing you buying high capacity systems for shotguns.
Bump stocks absolutely need banning but a ban will have zero impact on future mass shootings. I think Vegas was teh first and only time someone has used one them in a mass shooting.
Meanwhile, also in Texas
So very true.
LOL
They can't do that, can they? Peaceful protests are a cornerstone of modern democracy, If the suspension of skipping classes is 3 days then I understand but if the punishment is harder because you chose to protest while you do, it's simply wrong.
If nothing else Trump has given future historians the rare opportunity to totally dismantle a president's time in office using entirely his own words.
Damn - reading his statements in the article is even more infuriating. Wtf.
On arming teachers....
Wayne LaPierre is railing against socialism, BLM, Antifa, the occupy movement and the FBI at CPAC right now.
Last edited:
Additionally, there is this little thing that it is an utter failure of democracy and governance, if the teachers, already underpaid, need to be the first line of defense in a violent situation.
In short, it is not supposed to be part of the job duties. They have families who love them.
There are approximately 3.6mil elementary and secondary school students. Even if it was just 10%...the guns, the ammo, the training - imagine the government contracts that could produce! The NRA/gun manufacturers must be salivating at the idea of that.
NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre speaks at CPAC after school
Lapierre is scum.
His son is in jail. He shot someone in a fit of road rage.
Wayne still sees nothing wrong with guns.
His son is in jail. He shot someone in a fit of road rage.
Wayne still sees nothing wrong with guns.